Web Summit quits Dublin

jimgoose · 03-11-2015 04:55PM

Gordy6040 wrote: »

Why do you have the misconception that having Dell and IBM here matters to cloud based companies?

I think that having something like the Summit here showcases the county in a positive light, and when people visit they realize that Ireland has a lot to offer in terms of talented people, solid IT infrastructure, and dynamic companies like dropbox and hubspot .
It does resonate with companies ye know.

Dropspot and Hubbox are two of a thousand dipshít cool-dude companies who mainly facilitate fifteen-year-olds showing pictures of their brassiers on the Internet. IBM, together with a couple of other outfits like Amazon, are the cloud.

hardCopy · 03-11-2015 05:07PM

Ctrl Alt Delete wrote: »

Funny how the PR department put out pictures like

https://twitter.com/Independent_ie/status/661501881357836288

Why is the burger on drugs?

Is that actually a hipster method of applying mayonnaise to a burger?

Gordy6040 · 03-11-2015 05:08PM

I know about the Dell and IBM cloud offerings. While IBM is a significant player in data centers with their converged infrastructure technology and Power Servers , they are not that significant when it comes to cloud applications.

Why don't you explain what difference it makes to a cloud based company, or an IT startup having Dell and IBM here.
I respect them both by the way but Dell is not a significant player outside of delivering X86 hardware which maybe a part of a private cloud, i'll concede that point, but didn't they close their cloud center in Cherrywood? maybe the EMC merger will change that but that's another conversation.

When i mentioned infrastructure I was more talking about it from an IT perspective, outside of crappy broadband in the RDS its actually pretty good, also we don't suffer from brown outs so the DC's can get good clean power.

Gordy6040 · 03-11-2015 05:14PM

jimgoose wrote: »

Dropspot and Hubbox are two of a thousand dipshít cool-dude companies who mainly facilitate fifteen-year-olds showing pictures of their brassiers on the Internet. IBM, together with a couple of other outfits like Amazon, are the cloud.

IBM is not the cloud. Agree with you on AWS though when it comes to delivering cloud services. Cisco have more to do with the Cloud then IBM in my opinion.

The point I was making though is that its the new generation of companies that we need to be attracting. I used dropbox as an example of one of those companies. I wasn't suggesting at they have the same range of services .

jimgoose · 03-11-2015 05:14PM

Gordy6040 wrote: »

IBM is not the cloud. Agree with you on AWS though when it comes to delivering cloud services. Cisco have more to do with the Cloud then IBM in my opinion...

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluemix

ThisRegard · 03-11-2015 05:15PM

Gordy6040 wrote: »

I know about the Dell and IBM cloud offerings. While IBM is a significant player in data centers with their converged infrastructure technology and Power Servers , they are not that significant when it comes to cloud applications.

Why don't you explain what difference it makes to a cloud based company, or an IT startup having Dell and IBM here.
I respect them both by the way but Dell is not a significant player outside of delivering X86 hardware which maybe a part of a private cloud, i'll concede that point, but didn't they close their cloud center in Cherrywood? maybe the EMC merger will change that but that's another conversation.

When i mentioned infrastructure I was more talking about it from an IT perspective, outside of crappy broadband in the RDS its actually pretty good, also we don't suffer from brown outs so the DC's can get good clean power.

The cloud is much more than data storage, or apps that access your data on the cloud. IBM are much more than data centre specialists, always have been.

The real value to a business is in the various xaaS offerings to businesses, for example deploying a business processes within hours to the cloud rather than go down a more traditional SDLC, and not having to pay for the leasing of the infrastructure up front. IBM are big players in this.

Enterprise level is where the valuable stuff happens, not for the personal consumer.

Gordy6040 · 03-11-2015 05:17PM

jimgoose wrote: »

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluemix

IBM is still not the cloud and PAAS and SAAS are not the same thing.

ThisRegard · 03-11-2015 05:19PM

Gordy6040 wrote: »

IBM is still not the cloud and PAAS and SAAS are not the same thing.

Nobody is the cloud, that's the whole point.

jimgoose · 03-11-2015 05:20PM

Gordy6040 wrote: »

IBM is still not the cloud and PAAS and SAAS are not the same thing.

In order to deploy software, AAS or OOTB, you need a platform. Said platform may, in turn, be AAS or OOTC.

jimgoose · 03-11-2015 05:20PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Nobody is the cloud, that's the whole point.

There is no cloud! It's just someone else's sodding computer(s)!! :pac:

smash · 03-11-2015 05:21PM

Gordy6040 wrote: »

I know about the Dell and IBM cloud offerings. While IBM is a significant player in data centers with their converged infrastructure technology and Power Servers , they are not that significant when it comes to cloud applications.

Cloud applications.... such as? I can already hazzard a guess that your answer relates to cloud storage in which case the likes of IBM and DELL are very significant to 'could applications'.

Gordy6040 wrote: »

The point I was making though is that its the new generation of companies that we need to be attracting. I used dropbox as an example of one of those companies. I wasn't suggesting at they have the same range of services .

SAP, Nitro, SalesForce... Should I go on? Most of them are here already.

ThisRegard · 03-11-2015 05:22PM

jimgoose wrote: »

There is no cloud! It's just someone else's sodding computer(s)!! :pac:

Some genius is just selling dumb terminals from the 70s.

brooke 2 · 03-11-2015 05:23PM

smash wrote: »

Please explain this to me. This has been thrown around a lot and it's just not true. What positions Ireland as an IT hub is the fact that there are numerous IT giants who have their European headquarters here. Not the fact that there's a 3 day conference once a year, that's only been running for a few years. Lets not forget that it's also a conference that's held in multiple cities world wide under a different guise at various stages of the year.

I saw George Lee's recent programme about young Irish go-getters in California. One of the girls he interviewed was involved in attracting more IT business to Ireland. She commented that her job was relatively easier than that of people from other countries as Ireland has already a good package to offer with Google, Facebook,
etc. based here. She did not mention the WebSummit once!

As an aside, Pat Kenny mentioned this morning that he was in a taxi last night and the driver had never heard of the WebSummit! But, Jessica, who was reporting from there today, said the word
had obviously gotten around as there was a long queue of taxis outside the RDS as she spoke.

Gordy6040 · 03-11-2015 05:38PM

Smash - Are you not reading my posts fully.

While they are all leaders , especially Salesforce in SAAS and SAP in on premise, they are also mature companies. I have said we need to be attracting new companies. I remember when salesforce opened here nearly 10 years ago, there was only 150 or so staff in sandyford, now there must be 600 in 2 buildings and growing. Its the new Salesforce that web summit could help attract, who knows, it could help, every little helps. It's never going to be the only thing but having it here did no harm, surely we can agree on that?

Also - I said before that dropbox was an example. I could have picked anyone of a handful.

By the way Salesforce didn't come here because Dell or IBM or Fujitsu etc were here, because the proximity Dell and IBM call centers have no relation on their business.

Calina · 03-11-2015 06:03PM

Gordy6040 wrote: »

By the way Salesforce didn't come here because Dell or IBM or Fujitsu etc were here, because the proximity Dell and IBM call centers have no relation on their business.

They didn't come here because of the web summit either.

Gordy6040 · 03-11-2015 06:06PM

Calina wrote: »

They didn't come here because of the web summit either.

I never said they did though did I.

PhoenixParker · 03-11-2015 06:14PM

Gordy6040 wrote: »

By the way Salesforce didn't come here because Dell or IBM or Fujitsu etc were here, because the proximity Dell and IBM call centers have no relation on their business.

I don't know about Salesforce specifically but the proximity of big IBM and Google outlets does influence the choice to set up in Dublin for other similar companies. A big issue for all these companies is finding employees with the right skillset.

There's a pool of these employees in Dublin and companies looking for a base tap into that. It's also easier for them to attract employees from abroad to Dublin because people moving here know that even if it doesn't work out with company A, company B, C & D are options.

Calina · 03-11-2015 06:15PM

Gordy6040 wrote: »

I never said they did though did I.

You are, however, implying that short of websummit, other companies like Salesforce are less likely to come. The fact that large numbers of companies come anyway would call that into question.

In any case, for the future, we really need a rethink of venture funding and getting those small companies not to come here when they are formed and earning some money (not true of an awful lot of SV socalled unicorns) but for such small but highly potential companies to be formed here, locally by our USP local expertise.

In European start up terms, we aren't even close to the top. France, Germany and the UK are all doing far better than we are. In my view, the websummit, such as it exists, doesn't come close to supporting that kind of innovative hub. We provide a lot of smoke and fire for entrepreneurs like Cosgrave and maybe the LovinDublin guy. But they effectively produce nothing and no really innovative products.

Instead of moaning at the loss of a conference, I think the future would be better served at supporting innovation here. But you know, that sort of bluesky funding isn't newsworthy until those companies reach a particular point.

talking_walnut · 03-11-2015 06:20PM

If only our issues for startups were down to the Websummit alone. It would be a lot easier to fix

Gordy6040 · 03-11-2015 06:32PM

Calina wrote: »

You are, however, implying that short of websummit, other companies like Salesforce are less likely to come. The fact that large numbers of companies come anyway would call that into question.

In any case, for the future, we really need a rethink of venture funding and getting those small companies not to come here when they are formed and earning some money (not true of an awful lot of SV socalled unicorns) but for such small but highly potential companies to be formed here, locally by our USP local expertise.

In European start up terms, we aren't even close to the top. France, Germany and the UK are all doing far better than we are. In my view, the websummit, such as it exists, doesn't come close to supporting that kind of innovative hub. We provide a lot of smoke and fire for entrepreneurs like Cosgrave and maybe the LovinDublin guy. But they effectively produce nothing and no really innovative products.

Instead of moaning at the loss of a conference, I think the future would be better served at supporting innovation here. But you know, that sort of bluesky funding isn't newsworthy until those companies reach a particular point.

I did not imply that at all. I am implying that the likes of Web Summit helps showcase our country and talent pool which may atttact companies that would otherwise not have come. Or, at least it could be a networking event where local businesses can make contact with international organisations. I agree with the points you have made which is why I also suggested a version of this run by the government. The VC idea is great though, perhaps even a building with subsidised rents till a product comes to market. . If only we had an abundance of property to draw on.

Calina · 03-11-2015 06:37PM

Gordy6040 wrote: »

I did not imply that at all. I am implying that the likes of Web Summit helps showcase our country and talent pool which may atttact companies that would otherwise not have come. Or, at least it could be a networking event where local businesses can make contact with international organisations. I agree with the points you have made which is why I also suggested a version of this run by the government. The VC idea is great though, perhaps even a building with subsidised rents till a product comes to market. . If only we had an abundance of property to draw on.

There are a couple of accelerator premises in the country. Not enough, and in general, our seed funding is excessively limited.

The point is WebSummit is not showcasing our country and talent pool at all. It's showcasing other people's talent pool. There seems to be this naivety that people make big decisions off the back of websummit. Their selling point, for example, was the Uber financing deal a few years ago. This would have happened anyway.

The Websummit is not really directed towards decision makers in the grand scheme of things. It's targeted at the public.

Gordy6040 · 03-11-2015 06:40PM

Calina wrote: »

There are a couple of accelerator premises in the country. Not enough, and in general, our seed funding is excessively limited.

The point is WebSummit is not showcasing our country and talent pool at all. It's showcasing other people's talent pool. There seems to be this naivety that people make big decisions off the back of websummit. Their selling point, for example, was the Uber financing deal a few years ago. This would have happened anyway.

The Websummit is not really directed towards decision makers in the grand scheme of things. It's targeted at the public.

So basically. Nothing good happens there and it's of no use to the country. Am I picking you up right?

super_furry · 03-11-2015 06:46PM

I'm dying to hear Paddy explain how charging people €20 for a tiny, soggy burger and a bottle of water is Enda Kenny's fault.

Calina · 03-11-2015 06:49PM

Gordy6040 wrote: »

So basically. Nothing good happens there and it's of no use to the country. Am I picking you up right?

Not really. Basically, it isn't worth worrying about and the hysteria about it leaving is misdirected energy and effort. Presumably some of the people who go there enjoy themselves, but that's not really the basis on which we should be making strategic decisions for the country's economy.

You've to bear in mind much of the issue is the complaints that "the country should never have let the summit go". The Summit is a privately run operation. They haven't a business if they have to lean on massive subsidy, be it direct or indirect. I personally don't care if it takes place or not, but as a priority for supporting innovation and job creation in the country, it certainly something that should not be top of the country's list. TBF, it probably doesn't need to be on the list.

In terms of things which do support the future of the country, the far, far bigger Young Scientists Exhibition and the CoderDojo movement do significantly more with far less yowling. I'd mourn the loss of either of those far more. Sure the hotels benefit from the Websummit but to be honest, they benefit from pop concerts and rugby matches as well.

ThisRegard · 03-11-2015 06:56PM

Take a look at the Collison brothers and Stripe for example as something that came from the Young Scientists 10 years ago, one of many homegrown success stories over the years.

Gordy6040 · 03-11-2015 07:05PM

ThisRegard wrote: »

Nobody is the cloud, that's the whole point.

I know. Which is why I said IBM are not the cloud ðŸ˜‰

Kalyke · 03-11-2015 07:32PM

Web summit ...or the "so" ing machine convention.

my friend · 03-11-2015 07:37PM

Thinking of holding an IOT WORLD CONFERENCE next year and hold it in Dublin at the same time as the web summit in Lisbon

The 'web' is so yesterday

All I need is for Adrian Weckler to lust after me and I'm set for favourable publicity

Annasopra · 03-11-2015 07:55PM

jobbridge4life wrote: »

Can someone explain to me what exactly makes Paddy Cosgrave worthy of so much attention and reverence. You see him swaggering around and given attention in the media like he is some kind of Steve Jobs type character but as far as I can determine his greatest contribution to the world is a conference? What am I missing?

Connections and nothing else really.

Annasopra · 03-11-2015 07:56PM

5rtytry56 wrote: »

Think about the likes of Microsoft, IBM, and Apple. Decades before this Web summit palava.

And think of how Paddy ripped off such people in the last 2-3 years

Web Summit quits Dublin

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