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Web Summit quits Dublin

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  • #602
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,773 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    smash wrote: »
    Looks like a request to me.

    So now saying
    I told you to stop using it .
    looks like a request to you?

    You've been caught out trying to shut debate down here by telling posters what they can and can not say. Rather than man up and admit you did this you instead try to wriggle out of it. Your words are there for all reasonable people to see and to judge.


  • #603
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    ah here you're getting personal now, a sure sign someone is losing an argment is when you do that and start telling people what they can and cannot say.

    There simply isn't enough straws for you to grasp if you think you're even any where close to drawing this debate.


  • #604
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    ah here you're getting personal now, a sure sign someone is losing an argment is when you do that and start telling people what they can and cannot say.

    You started this kind of thing about 50 posts ago :)

    Anyway, I'm out. You know what they say about arguing on the internet.


  • #605
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,773 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    There simply isn't enough straws for you to grasp if you think you're even any where close to drawing this debate.

    I'm not the one trying to censor people as to what they can and can't say. When a poster does that the argument is lost, it smacks of frustration and desperation that they find difficulty addressing the main points and instead have to resort to throwing the toys out of the pram and ordering other posters not to say something. At best its childish, at worst its bordering on fascist.


  • #606
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,773 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    ThisRegard wrote: »
    You honesty can't tell the difference between grants and aid, areas within state agencies remit, and what you actually expected the taoiseach to do?

    Where did i mentioned grants and aid. I said State involvement, i.e the State does something. That something could be as complex as the IDA buying land and leasing it below market rates or it could be as simple (as in Cosgraves case) as pointing him in the right direction. The Dept of the Taoiseach couldn't even do that.

    I find it bizarre that people on here think that our taxpayer funded Dept of the Taoiseach acted competently and professionally on this. They did not and if they had of we might not be in this mess right now.


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  • #607
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Where did i mentioned grants and aid. I said State involvement, i.e the State does something. That something could be as complex as the IDA buying land and leasing it below market rates or it could be as simple (as in Cosgraves case) as pointing him in the right direction. The Dept of the Taoiseach couldn't even do that.

    They did do that. Why don't you just start reading the replies you've received pointing out where you're in the wrong, and address the points and questions that have been put to you? Because at this rate you're borderline trolling.


  • #608
    jimmynokia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭jimmynokia


    Sold out now according to Paddy..


  • #609
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    jimmynokia wrote: »
    Sold out now according to Paddy..

    At 5.30 on a Friday evening. How convenient:)


  • #610
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,773 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    smash wrote: »
    They did do that. Why don't you just start reading the replies you've received pointing out where you're in the wrong, and address the points and questions that have been put to you? Because at this rate you're borderline trolling.

    I've addressed several points and questions several times. If people on here are so blinkered by their dislike of Cosgrave then so be it. All I've done is made the point that the Dept of the Taoiseach cocked up here in a major way. That much is plainly obvious but rather than admitting it you're blinkered over your dislike of Cosgrave and have instead ended up in the unconformable position of trying to defend an incompetent and unprofessional Dept of the Taoiseach (which is inclusive of the aforementioned 'senior civil servants' in case you didn't realise :rolleyes:)


  • #611
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    I've addressed several points and questions several times. If people on here are so blinkered by their dislike of Cosgrave then so be it. All I've done is made the point that the Dept of the Taoiseach cocked up here in a major way. That much is plainly obvious but rather than admitting it you're blinkered over your dislike of Cosgrave and have instead ended up in the unconformable position of trying to defend an incompetent and unprofessional Dept of the Taoiseach (which is inclusive of the aforementioned 'senior civil servants' in case you didn't realise :rolleyes:)

    Just stop clutching at straws.


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  • #612
    jimmynokia
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 6,467 ✭✭✭jimmynokia


    smash wrote: »
    At 5.30 on a Friday evening. How convenient:)

    Done deal https://www.donedeal.ie/search/?words=web%20summit&sort=relevance%20desc&section=all&adType=forsale&source=&max=30&start=0

    Adverts
    http://www.adverts.ie/for-sale/q_WEB+SUMMIT/

    LOL Hardly selling because they are getting value for money


  • #613
    Muahahaha
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,773 ✭✭✭✭Muahahaha


    smash wrote: »
    Just stop clutching at straws.

    Look smash you don't like Cosgrave, I get that. But the point that the Dept of the Taoiseach cocked up here is still a very valid one. There's no getting away from that. No getting away from the fact that they take two weeks to reply to an email and that they let €108m value to the economy slip right through their hands and into the hands of the Portugese govt. These are the facts of the matter and you can't see it because you don't like Cosgrave. I couldn't care less about him but no citizen should be treated in that incompetent and unprofessional manner, not Cosgrave, not me and nor you either.


  • #614
    ThisRegard
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,833 ✭✭✭✭ThisRegard


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Where did i mentioned grants and aid. I said State involvement, i.e the State does something. That something could be as complex as the IDA buying land and leasing it below market rates or it could be as simple (as in Cosgraves case) as pointing him in the right direction. The Dept of the Taoiseach couldn't even do that.

    I find it bizarre that people on here think that our taxpayer funded Dept of the Taoiseach acted competently and professionally on this. They did not and if they had of we might not be in this mess right now.

    We're not in any sort of mess. You're overestimating the importance of the Web summit. Didn't you previously say you attended once, so presumably you're in the industry and are aware of its worth.

    Your basis now for any argument you try make is that everyone disagreeing with you are doing so because they don't like Cosgrave, which is utter nonsense.


  • #615
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Look smash you don't like Cosgrave, I get that. But the point that the Dept of the Taoiseach cocked up here is still a very valid one. There's no getting away from that. No getting away from the fact that they take two weeks to reply to an email and that they let €108m value to the economy slip right through their hands and into the hands of the Portugese govt. These are the facts of the matter and you can't see it because you don't like Cosgrave. I couldn't care less about him but no citizen should be treated in that incompetent and unprofessional manner, not Cosgrave, not me and nor you either.

    That's non sense. Was it rude to not reply for two weeks? Maybe. But the way I see it, it's like me emailing my post man about an issue with my street sign so it really doesn't bother me that much. They didn't let anything slip away. What you've stated is not fact. There's nothing they could have done without major back lash. PC knew who to go to, he didn't. It was all done on purpose. He orchestrated this plan so he could leave, get paid, and make it look like he didn't have a choice. He did!


  • #616
    flouncer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 681 ✭✭✭flouncer


    Muahahaha wrote: »
    Look smash you don't like Cosgrave, I get that. But the point that the Dept of the Taoiseach cocked up here is still a very valid one. There's no getting away from that. No getting away from the fact that they take two weeks to reply to an email and that they let €108m value to the economy slip right through their hands and into the hands of the Portugese govt. These are the facts of the matter and you can't see it because you don't like Cosgrave. I couldn't care less about him but no citizen should be treated in that incompetent and unprofessional manner, not Cosgrave, not me and nor you either.

    All the waffle aside most folks have an issue with paddy as a cheapskate. His use of interns over waged personnel, his insisistence that anybody else but him picks up the bill while he charges outlandish entrance fees to the event. I am happy to admit that I do not support his business practices. I appreciate that you go into private business to generate a profit. But social conscience is also another attribute required by successful businnesses to ensure social stability and employment that allows us to provide for our dependents. Paddy shows little of that, hence the reason he may not get the appreciation he so obviously craves


  • #617
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    flouncer wrote: »
    But social conscience is also another attribute required by successful businnesses to ensure social stability and employment that allows us to provide for our dependents. Paddy shows little of that, hence the reason he may not get the appreciation he so obviously craves

    That, plus taking credit for other people's ideas and software and all the goings on with his micandidate business.


  • #618
    flouncer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 681 ✭✭✭flouncer


    smash wrote: »
    That, plus taking credit for other people's ideas and software and all the goings on with his micandidate business.
    Strangely I find myself disagreeing with you. In times past I represented a technology analyst company. I attended CeBit and the web summit among others. These are important events. We provided information from said events to fund managers on technologies that might and might not succeed. CeBIt didn't own the technology nor does the Web Summit. They are important showcases of technology for investment firms and analysts who provide key information to these funds. So is the Web Summit an important event? The answer is a definite yes. Hence its success. The issue is how a particular business person does his business. Will the Web Summit succeed in Lisbon?. Without doubt. It is needed wherever it lives


  • #619
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    flouncer wrote: »
    Strangely I find myself disagreeing with you. In times past I represented a technology analyst company. I attended CeBit and the web summit among others. These are important events. We provided information from said events to fund managers on technologies that might and might not succeed. CeBIt didn't own the technology nor does the Web Summit. They are important showcases of technology for investment firms and analysts who provide key information to these funds. So is the Web Summit an important event? The answer is a definite yes. Hence its success. The issue is how a particular business person does his business. Will the Web Summit succeed in Lisbon?. Without doubt. It is needed wherever it lives

    I think you've got your wires crossed here. In the recent past he had to issue an apology because during an interview he claimed conception and ownership of an app that he literally had nothing to do with.


  • #620
    flouncer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 681 ✭✭✭flouncer


    smash wrote: »
    I think you've got your wires crossed here. In the recent past he had to issue an apology because during an interview he claimed conception and ownership of an app that he literally had nothing to do with.
    Maybe true smash. Paddy is liable to do anything to further himself. What I said is that the business concept of the Web Summit is solid and will succeed no matter where it exists. Or at least I thought that's what I said :-). And exactly how did I get MY wires crossed?


  • #621
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    flouncer wrote: »
    Maybe true smash. Paddy is liable to do anything to further himself. What I said is that the business concept of the Web Summit is solid and will succeed no matter where it exists. Or at least I thought that's what I said :-). And exactly how did I get MY wires crossed?

    I mention that he claims conception and ownership of someone else's product, gets caught out and has to issue a public apology and you say to disagree(with a fact..) and went off on a tangent about VC firms. So that's where you're getting your wires crossed.


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  • #622
    flouncer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 681 ✭✭✭flouncer


    smash wrote: »
    I mention that he claims conception and ownership of someone else's product, gets caught out and has to issue a public apology and you say to disagree(with a fact..) and went off on a tangent about VC firms. So that's where you're getting your wires crossed.
    Did I quote your said reference? Was I responding to your said reference? Both answers are NO. While we all have opinions please don't shove mine into yours. Thanks.


  • #623
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    flouncer wrote: »
    Did I quote your said reference? Was I responding to your said reference? Both answers are NO.

    Actually, yes you did.


  • #624
    flouncer
    Closed Accounts Posts: 681 ✭✭✭flouncer


    smash wrote: »
    Actually, yes you did.
    Just checked back and so I did. Huge apologies. It wasn't my intention to do so. I did want to highlight the value of the web summit. Sorry about that one smash. Can I claim old age :-)


  • #625
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    flouncer wrote: »
    Just checked back and so I did. Huge apologies. It wasn't my intention to do so. I did want to highlight the value of the web summit. Sorry about that one smash. Can I claim old age :-)

    I knew there were crossed wires :D


  • #626
    Tivoli1300
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭Tivoli1300


    Kermit.de.frog wrote: »
    wow, major blow to Dublin as a "tech capital".


    no doubt this is mostly due to the embarrassing broad band wifi service provided last year by the RDS which really riled the organisers.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0923/729704-web-summit/

    More like lucky escape perhaps. Trinity might need to do more on its ethics input to BESS courses.

    http://calacanis.com/2015/04/24/warning-avoid-the-apply-to-present-angel-pitch-contest-event-scams/


  • #627
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    This tweet is pretty funny...

    https://twitter.com/JohnHamill151/status/648099986002083840/photo/1


  • #628
    Tivoli1300
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭Tivoli1300


    smash wrote: »
    This tweet is pretty funny...

    https://twitter.com/JohnHamill151/status/648099986002083840/photo/1

    Lol
    And at least John Hamill had the form to redact contact details unlike Paddy Cosgrave in his release of those confidential emails - a move that had backfired spectacularly as it is nakedly obvious that he was trying to set up govt as fall guy.

    Win win for him it must have seemed - Govt gives in to his high pressure sales techniques, instant riches and kudos for PC: Govt resists and they lost this 100m 😳 gig for Ireland.

    Some business model - get a few tech rock stars to attend, generate huge buzz, pull start ups in with smoke and mirrors and dodgy marketing, get businesses around town to sponsor some of the things the fee should be covering, use low cost interns instead of staff: then when it gets big enough, blackmail Govt into bankrolling transport, venues, VIP escorts etc.

    There are ways to make money, run a great gig and have fun doing this kind of thing while keeping faith with other values like fairness, give and take or just old fashioned decency.

    I really hope a different version of this emerges - We can and should do better.


  • #629
    super_furry
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 27,363 ✭✭✭✭super_furry


    Looks like Paddy Cosgrave has been letting himself down again - http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/taoiseach-s-web-summit-invite-sent-at-9pm-on-friday-1.2414314

    Treating the Taoiseach like some start-up underling of his, throwing him an invite to the Web Summit 48 hours before it starts and expecting him to drop everything to be there. I wouldn't be Enda Kenny's biggest fan by any stretch but treating the Taoiseach like he's some 'last minute, everyone else cancelled so you'll do wedding guest' is poor form.


  • #630
    smash
    Closed Accounts Posts: 34,809 ✭✭✭✭smash


    super_furry wrote: »
    Treating the Taoiseach like some start-up underling of his, throwing him an invite to the Web Summit 48 hours before it starts and expecting him to drop everything to be there.

    Is it a "free" invite that's only going to cost a few grand?


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  • #631
    Tivoli1300
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 65 ✭✭Tivoli1300


    super_furry wrote: »
    Looks like Paddy Cosgrave has been letting himself down again - http://www.irishtimes.com/news/ireland/irish-news/taoiseach-s-web-summit-invite-sent-at-9pm-on-friday-1.2414314

    Treating the Taoiseach like some start-up underling of his, throwing him an invite to the Web Summit 48 hours before it starts and expecting him to drop everything to be there. I wouldn't be Enda Kenny's biggest fan by any stretch but treating the Taoiseach like he's some 'last minute, everyone else cancelled so you'll do wedding guest' is poor form.

    Manners maketh the man.


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