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German town with population of 102 to receive 1,000 migrants

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  • #62
    hognef
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 820 ✭✭✭hognef


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    Sharia law exists independently of the law of the land. It exists in the form of Sharia arbitration courts and vigilantism. With a 10:1 split in favour of Syrians who is going to prevent them taking the law into their own hands?

    There won't be a 10 to 1 ratio across the wider municipality or district.

    Also, you could achieve the same ratio by having one or two muslim families move into a couple of houses where currently there's only a single house accommodating a single person. Would you be concerned about sharia law there too?


  • #63
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,097 ✭✭✭conorhal


    iguana wrote: »
    Such a massive invasion. If we took in all the refugees the muslim population of Europe would rise from 4% to 5%. How utterly terrifying.:rolleyes:
    .

    Yeah, this year. There were 9,600 arrivals in Greece in the past few days alone, a new record when you would in fact assume that the numbers would be starting to fall with the onset of winter.
    Who knows what Germany will do with next years million, or for that matter, when family reunification rights kick in and that million turns into 7 million.


  • #64
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,097 ✭✭✭conorhal


    iguana wrote: »
    Germany has a falling population and needs the immigrants in order to continue to function. What was notable to me is that this village is made up of mostly pensioners? Well who the do they expect to keep the country functioning and to pay the taxes to keep their pensions coming in? It can't be the native population as their birth rate is far below the replacement rate and has been for a very long time now. Merkel's decision to allow in so many refugees is not based on compassion (alone). But simply the economic reality that a large influx of educated young adults and families is necessary to the continuation of German society. It's win/win for both Germany and the refugees who find homes there, but it won't be without difficulty as the country adjusts.

    There's one little problem with all that, the rather stubbornly high 50% unemployment rate amongst former Middle Eastern asylum seekers in places like the UK.
    Far from paying Germans pensions, it would seem that those Germans will probably have to continue working well into their 80's to pay for them.
    In fact the Germans are currently busy making up 'safe lists' of countries it is processing asylum seekers from to speed up the deportation of migrants from non EU Eastern European states to make way for these new economic migrants. If Germany so badly needs young workers perhaps they're looking in the wrong place?
    And then there's the question of whether or not the falling population is actually a problem. With a dwindling need for low skilled migrants and falling manufacturing due to automation and outsourcing as well as the dwindling resources of the planet, an argument could be made for leaner populations consuming less and working smarter.


  • #65
    oceanid
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 41 ✭oceanid


    sup_dude wrote:
    How is it any of my, or your business? What is me being outraged and shocked at it going to do? Do you have the power to make any little bit of a difference?
    It is Irish people's business - it's the EU, and we are part of the EU. If it's allowed happen in Germany, Sweden, the UK it can happen here as easily.
    We already allow plenty of immigrants. Some would say it's too much already. In some parts of Dublin, immigrants outnumber the natives. Walk down any busy street in Dublin, how many are Irish or even European anymore?


  • #66
    Smiles35
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    conorhal wrote: »
    There's one little problem with all that, the rather stubbornly high 50% unemployment rate amongst former Middle Eastern asylum seekers in places like the UK.
    Far from paying Germans pensions, it would seem that those Germans will probably have to continue working well into their 80's to pay for them.
    In fact the Germans are currently busy making up 'safe lists' of countries it is processing asylum seekers from to speed up the deportation of migrants from non EU Eastern European states to make way for these new economic migrants. If Germany so badly needs young workers perhaps they're looking in the wrong place?
    And then there's the question of whether or not the falling population is actually a problem. With a dwindling need for low skilled migrants and falling manufacturing due to automation and outsourcing as well as the dwindling resources of the planet, an argument could be made for leaner populations consuming less and working smarter.

    In any event it's hardly a land lifestyle choice atm.


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  • #67
    Paramite Pie
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    oceanid wrote: »
    We already allow plenty of immigrants. Some would say it's too much already. In some parts of Dublin, immigrants outnumber the natives. Walk down any busy street in Dublin, how many are Irish or even European anymore?

    In fairness, the majority of our immigrants are white Europeans. According to Census results, about 40% of our Non-Nationals are British citizens.

    Some parts of Dublin are still at risk of becoming Ghettos but that could be challenged by bringing down rents South of the Liffey and improve crime North of it to encourage both populations to move around more.

    Also having 5 or 6 immigrants crammed into one bedroom in City Centre 'accommodation' means immigrants are clustered together so you notice them more.


  • #68
    WakeUp
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    conorhal wrote: »
    Yeah, this year. There were 9,600 arrivals in Greece in the past few days alone, a new record when you would in fact assume that the numbers would be starting to fall with the onset of winter.
    Who knows what Germany will do with next years million, or for that matter, when family reunification rights kick in and that million turns into 7 million.

    this mass migration of nations and people left unchecked will continue indefinitely. these vast numbers of people who are here and who will attempt to come here have no intentions of ever returning back to where they came from. they are here to stay. the Turks seem to have it all figured out and know what's best for us Europeans and they have no problems telling us what to do on our continent. particularly their Islamist leader .though on the point of the migrants being on a one way journey to Europe never to go back. they have that right. the numbers are potentially endless. and they are here to stay.

    >>>>>

    As millions are making their way to the West with the hope of a safer and more stable future, it has become clear that "fortress Europe" is a myth. The urgency of this situation requires a serious rethinking of integration policies across Europe.

    For these new refugees are there to stay. It would be a grave mistake for the EU to think that somehow the millions of refugees or asylum seekers who made their way to Europe can one day be repatriated. These people are not guests. They are refugees who wish to gain immigrant status.

    They believe they have no economic, social and political future in their countries of origin. The challenge awaiting Europe is to acknowledge this reality and to plan accordingly for the integration of this sizable inflow.

    http://mobile.todayszaman.com/columnist/omer-taspinar/europe-has-to-embrace-its-multicultural-future_402479.html

    the Turks haven't asked us if we want to "integrate" millions and millions of people from predominantly Islamic lands because they want a better life and they believe it's their "right" that Europe provides this for them. or why should we.


  • #69
    Sharia 4 U
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    Why don't they just kick the pensioners out of their homes to make way for the migrants while they're at it?

    Camp of the Saints is becoming a reality.


  • #70
    WakeUp
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    Sharia 4 U wrote: »
    Why don't they just kick the pensioners out of their homes to make way for the migrants while they're at it?

    Camp of the Saints is becoming a reality.

    with crazy Angela and some of the other loola German political folk pulling the strings who knows maybe they will. the Bavarians need to get her out asap even if it means pulling the rug from under her and the government. she has to go she is a threat to Europe. the Germans have already evicted their own German citizens to make way for the migrants. who knows what they are capable of.

    http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3256156/German-woman-second-evicted-home-make-room-migrants-country-begins-printing-constitution-Arabic-refugees-learn.html


  • #71
    Sharia 4 U
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    WakeUp wrote: »
    with crazy Angela and some of the other loola German political folk pulling the strings who knows maybe they will. the Bavarians need to get her out asap even if it means pulling the rug from under her and the government. she has to go she is a threat to Europe. the Germans have already evicted their own German citizens to make way for the migrants. who knows what they are capable of.

    How they hell can they evict their own people to make way for foreigners?


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  • #72
    Dr.Internet
    Closed Accounts Posts: 465 ✭✭Dr.Internet


    Sharia 4 U wrote: »
    How they hell can they evict their own people to make way for foreigners?

    Quieten down RACIST!


  • #73
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    Sharia 4 U wrote: »
    How they hell can they evict their own people to make way for foreigners?

    Angela has told the German people that this mass migration of nations will occupy and change them forever. and the crazy woman is serious. she's a bit nuts. even if it means evicting her own citizens to make way for the migrants. which is happening. the Germans must act sensitively and do what their told. even when their own citizens are being evicted from their homes. nuts.


  • #74
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,097 ✭✭✭conorhal


    WakeUp wrote: »
    Angela has told the German people that this mass migration of nations will occupy and change them forever. and the crazy woman is serious. she's a bit nuts. even if it means evicting her own citizens to make way for the migrants. which is happening. the Germans must act sensitively and do what their told. even when their own citizens are being evicted from their homes. nuts.

    Quoted from another poster, it think this makes the point about how nuts a position that is quite succinctly:
    Society isn't lego. The pieces are not interchangeable. On the other hand Muslims are not uniform. We know that there are good ways and bad ways towards integration. But we also know that full integration can take between a few weeks and a few centuries, depending on which type of Muslims we are dealing with. Therefore we should proceed with caution and with a strong sense of protecting the sort of social climate that makes Europe so cool to begin with.

    That thing that makes us better than other places is not our tolerance, but is in fact the presumption of tolerance from all parties in a given social interaction and the full expectation of its reciprocity. Remove the expectation of reciprocity and it will not end well. Society is only coherent where there is near unanimity on the metavalues that enable all the apparent discord in our society. Our society is fractious but it works because the diversity of opinion is rooted in a common account of personhood and citizenship.

    That account, which has evolved from as far back as the Greeks, is not universally held. It might be the dominant account and maybe the most popular account, but there are billions who don't see the world in the same way.

    The consequences of destabilising this world view will be profound, especially when it comes to acceptable ways to disagree in society. We should be thinking very carefully about the consequences of our actions and we should remember that we have a duty to preserve our inheritance. All short term acts of compassion should be accompanied by an awareness of what we can not afford to lose and what we must in turn hand on to our children.


  • #75
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    Isaiah wrote: »
    German politicians like Merkal and Gregor Gysi welcome the decline of German people. They encourage it and wish to help it on it's way. They are genuinely trying to achieve ethnic cleansing of Germany from Germans as they feel duty bound by some twisted neo-liberal post nazi self hatred.

    They should be tried for treason.

    What alternative dimension in the multiverse do you hail from Isaiah?


  • #76
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    Nodin wrote: »
    What alternative dimension in the multiverse do you hail from Isaiah?

    The future.


  • #77
    Nodin
    Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    The future.

    No, bollockology 993 if I'm not mistaken. It's a particularily unlikely universe.


  • #78
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    conorhal wrote: »
    Quoted from another poster, it think this makes the point about how nuts a position that is quite succinctly:

    that's an excellent post. too much sense reason and logic in it though for those who most need to read it. thanks for posting.


  • #79
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    Nodin wrote: »
    No, bollockology 993 if I'm not mistaken. It's a particularily unlikely universe.

    I take it you agree with the mini plantation of this village then?...1000 people from another culture and continent being placed into a village with 100 locals..you are down with this are you?..


  • #80
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    Nodin wrote: »
    No, bollockology 993 if I'm not mistaken. It's a particularily unlikely universe.

    While his language is over the top, it's now known that it was part of New Labour's plan to create an influx of future Labour voters through their open door immigration policy. To say that Angela has some hope of getting a loyal voting bloc out of this isn't a stretch at all. Diluting the native and difficult to bribe population is a recognised strategy of career politicians like Blair et al.


  • #81
    walshyn93
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,685 ✭✭✭walshyn93


    WakeUp wrote: »
    I take it you agree with the mini plantation of this village then?...1000 people from another culture and continent being placed into a village with 100 locals..you are down with this are you?..

    "Britain has no culture"


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  • #82
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,097 ✭✭✭conorhal


    WakeUp wrote: »
    I take it you agree with the mini plantation of this village then?...1000 people from another culture and continent being placed into a village with 100 locals..you are down with this are you?..

    I hear Sinn Fein supporting nationalists are having their sense of irony removed en masse as it conflicts with common sense.


  • #83
    Martial9
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    Sharia 4 U wrote: »
    Why don't they just kick the pensioners out of their homes to make way for the migrants while they're at it?

    They have already hit Germans with eviction notices to make room for the newcomers. Can you imagine that?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11902296/Second-German-woman-evicted-from-her-home-to-make-way-for-refugees.html


  • #84
    Martial9
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 655 ✭✭✭Martial9


    iguana wrote: »
    Well if people do ask that it would be a stupid question as Saudi has taken in over 100,000 refugees but instead of giving them refugee status has provided them with permanent resident visas entitling them to the same rights to work and avail of healthcare and education as any Saudi citizen. But don't let the facts get in the way of your rant.

    Do you honestly believe that Saudi Arabia has taken in 100k Syrians and given them the same rights as Saudi citizens? You're utterly deluded if you do.


  • #85
    Smiles35
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    Martial9 wrote: »
    They have already hit Germans with eviction notices to make room for the newcomers. Can you imagine that?

    http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/germany/11902296/Second-German-woman-evicted-from-her-home-to-make-way-for-refugees.html

    Trying to house the refugees before winter time. The pigs. Give me 5000 armchair republicans, now. Please.


  • #86
    Martial9
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    Noblong wrote: »
    Trying to house the refugees before winter time. The pigs. Give me 5000 armchair republicans, now. Please.

    Evicting their own damn citizens to house the newcomers. That is not right. It is fecked up. If you're kicking your own people out of their homes to make way for newcomers, then perhaps you're taking in too many newcomers.


  • #87
    walshyn93
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    Noblong wrote: »
    Trying to house the refugees before winter time. The pigs. Give me 5000 armchair republicans, now. Please.

    Try to make up for their incompetence in encouraging people to leave a very warm country to a very cold one in time for winter, by disenfranchising its own citizens.


  • #88
    Smiles35
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,749 ✭✭✭Smiles35


    walshyn93 wrote: »
    Try to make up for their incompetence in encouraging people to leave a very warm country to a very cold one in time for winter, by disenfranchising its own citizens.

    What encouragement? If your not happy with the media reporting on the reaction to it, fine. That's a circle I can't break.


  • #89
    oceanid
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    Paramite Pie wrote: »
    In fairness, the majority of our immigrants are white Europeans. According to Census results, about 40% of our Non-Nationals are British citizens.
    In fairness where did I say otherwise? And what has this statistic got to do with what I said?
    The numbers of immigrants are increasingly steadily, that was my point. It's not that long ago when walking down a Dublin street it would be mostly Irish or at least western/Europeans you would see. The amount of full hijab-wearing immigrants has increased dramatically in even just the past year or so.


  • #90
    nokia69
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    Nodin wrote: »
    What alternative dimension in the multiverse do you hail from Isaiah?

    thats their plan for Germany and the rest of Europe, and they are actually pretty open about it, as the population of Europe declines they will import millions of people from Africa and the middle east


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  • #91
    WakeUp
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,823 ✭✭✭WakeUp


    nokia69 wrote: »
    thats their plan for Germany and the rest of Europe, and they are actually pretty open about it, as the population of Europe declines they will import millions of people from Africa and the middle east

    Angela needs to go before she destroys the continent.


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