German town with population of 102 to receive 1,000 migrants

speedboatchase

Remarkable piece of info from a feature in today's Sunday Times titled 'Migrants march into storm of hate', which is very sympathetic to the migrants' plight.


'Sumte is home to 102 people, half of them well-to-do pensioners who live in handsome farmhouses amid the lush countryside.

But their idyll is about to end. The tiny community, which was once on the Soviet side of the Iron Curtain, has become a symbol of Germany’s desperate struggle to cope with the tidal wave of more than 1.5m migrants expected to enter the country by the end of this year.

The first batch of 400 is expected in Sumte this week. They will be housed in an abandoned office block once home to a debt-collecting agency. Bulldozers are digging a new sewage system to cope with the 10-fold rise in population.

“We feel reminded of the Soviet times, when the government ruled despite the people and when some of us here even had their property confiscated by the military,” said Fabel, 55, a member of Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democrats.

“Everyone’s in favour of helping refugees, but 10 to one is simply too much. We don’t have the infrastructure in our little village.”

In Sumte, across Germany and indeed throughout continental Europe, compassion for foreigners fleeing war and barbarism in their homeland has given way to anger and fear, boosting support for populist parties and raising the prospect of a violent backlash.'

The feature continues here: http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/focus/article1623747.ece

Granted, this is a relatively isolated case but to me it encapsulated just how Merkel's unilateral decision has been and her continued objection to imposing upper limits for immigration. An entire town that will literally be changed overnight forever.

biko

It's racist to object, so I'm all for it.

Rightwing

speedboatchase wrote: »

Remarkable piece of info from a feature in today's Sunday Times titled 'Migrants march into storm of hate', which is very sympathetic to the migrants' plight.


'Sumte is home to 102 people, half of them well-to-do pensioners who live in handsome farmhouses amid the lush countryside.

But their idyll is about to end. The tiny community, which was once on the Soviet side of the Iron Curtain, has become a symbol of Germany’s desperate struggle to cope with the tidal wave of more than 1.5m migrants expected to enter the country by the end of this year.

The first batch of 400 is expected in Sumte this week. They will be housed in an abandoned office block once home to a debt-collecting agency. Bulldozers are digging a new sewage system to cope with the 10-fold rise in population.

“We feel reminded of the Soviet times, when the government ruled despite the people and when some of us here even had their property confiscated by the military,” said Fabel, 55, a member of Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democrats.

“Everyone’s in favour of helping refugees, but 10 to one is simply too much. We don’t have the infrastructure in our little village.”

In Sumte, across Germany and indeed throughout continental Europe, compassion for foreigners fleeing war and barbarism in their homeland has given way to anger and fear, boosting support for populist parties and raising the prospect of a violent backlash.'

The feature continues here: http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/focus/article1623747.ece

Granted, this is a relatively isolated case but to me it encapsulated just how Merkel's unilateral decision has been and her continued objection to imposing upper limits for immigration. An entire town that will literally be changed overnight forever.

Ridiculous.

What an idiot.

Sir Osis of Liver.

I'm fcuked if I'm paying €1 to read the rest of that article.

walshyn93

Front Nationale and UKIP have been uncharacteristically quiet of late and it's because Europe's politicians are doing their work for them.

iguana

Germany has a falling population and needs the immigrants in order to continue to function. What was notable to me is that this village is made up of mostly pensioners? Well who the do they expect to keep the country functioning and to pay the taxes to keep their pensions coming in? It can't be the native population as their birth rate is far below the replacement rate and has been for a very long time now. Merkel's decision to allow in so many refugees is not based on compassion (alone). But simply the economic reality that a large influx of educated young adults and families is necessary to the continuation of German society. It's win/win for both Germany and the refugees who find homes there, but it won't be without difficulty as the country adjusts.

speedboatchase

Sir Osis of Liver. wrote: »

I'm fcuked if I'm paying €1 to read the rest of that article.

Migrants march into storm of hate

Firebrands are exploiting the refugee crisis to garner votes by fanning fear of a ‘Muslim invasion’

Harry Palmr

/\ that will get edited by a mod - we're not allowed to reproduce whole articles any more esp from behind paywalls.

Germany will be littered with examples like this, and then the riots will follow as natives becomes foreigners in their own villages and towns and of course its the immigrants who will bear the brunt when its the government they should be burning down.

The Moldy Gowl

Rightwing wrote: »

Ridiculous.

What an idiot.

Thanks for quoting the whole op again for your insightful opinion.

Dr.Internet

They invited them and are suprised they turned up!

WakeUp

iguana wrote: »

Germany has a falling population and needs the immigrants in order to continue to function. What was notable to me is that this village is made up of mostly pensioners? Well who the do they expect to keep the country functioning and to pay the taxes to keep their pensions coming in? It can't be the native population as their birth rate is far below the replacement rate and has been for a very long time now. Merkel's decision to allow in so many refugees is not based on compassion (alone). But simply the economic reality that a large influx of educated young adults and families is necessary to the continuation of German society. It's win/win for both Germany and the refugees who find homes there, but it won't be without difficulty as the country adjusts.

what if the people in that village don't want this?? do they get a say in the matter or not?? what about what they want, you know the people who's village it is.

walshyn93

iguana wrote: »

Germany has a falling population and needs the immigrants in order to continue to function. What was notable to me is that this village is made up of mostly pensioners? Well who the do they expect to keep the country functioning and to pay the taxes to keep their pensions coming in? It can't be the native population as their birth rate is far below the replacement rate and has been for a very long time now. Merkel's decision to allow in so many refugees is not based on compassion (alone). But simply the economic reality that a large influx of educated young adults and families is necessary to the continuation of German society. It's win/win for both Germany and the refugees who find homes there, but it won't be without difficulty as the country adjusts.

Keep drinking the kool aid. The whole purpose of the EU was to share workers. Merkel wants to let a bunch of non EU citizens in even though she has access to 700 million Europeans. Shows a lack of trust in the EU project and lack of respect for the sovereignty of the countries these people have to travel through.

Another point, do third world countries not need skilled workers too? The cycle of taking their talent and giving them aid is going to continue indefinitely unless we make them stay where they are and build their own countries.

speedboatchase

iguana wrote: »

Germany has a falling population and needs the immigrants in order to continue to function. What was notable to me is that this village is made up of mostly pensioners? Well who the do they expect to keep the country functioning and to pay the taxes to keep their pensions coming in? It can't be the native population as their birth rate is far below the replacement rate and has been for a very long time now. Merkel's decision to allow in so many refugees is not based on compassion (alone). But simply the economic reality that a large influx of educated young adults and families is necessary to the continuation of German society. It's win/win for both Germany and the refugees who find homes there, but it won't be without difficulty as the country adjusts.

Germany already has/had an immigration policy for Non-EU arrivals. Like ours, it's about getting the brightest and the best from sectors in which there are a deficit of skilled workers from the EU. Over 1 million people in one year (1.5 million if the figures leaked to Bild are to be believed) who don't speak German, are overwhelmingly male, and most of whom do not share the same religion, cultural background etc is not a 'win-win'.

It's going to be a very difficult integration process, especially if there are no limits on arrivals. The more people that come to the country, the worse the conditions for the migrants who arrive, and the greater the animosity from the host population. I'm imagining modern Sweden, but in a Germany with 8x the population.

Dr.Internet

iguana wrote: »

Germany has a falling population and needs the immigrants in order to continue to function. What was notable to me is that this village is made up of mostly pensioners? Well who the do they expect to keep the country functioning and to pay the taxes to keep their pensions coming in? It can't be the native population as their birth rate is far below the replacement rate and has been for a very long time now. Merkel's decision to allow in so many refugees is not based on compassion (alone). But simply the economic reality that a large influx of educated young adults and families is necessary to the continuation of German society. It's win/win for both Germany and the refugees who find homes there, but it won't be without difficulty as the country adjusts.

Lucky enough for the pensioners these people are all highly educated doctors and lawyers, eh, are the train station welcoming committees and facebook bed pledgers still going with that line? or is that soooo last week?

Roger00

biko wrote: »

It's racist to object, so I'm all for it.

No it's not racist to object, what is wrong with people afraid to voice they're opinions? This is an invasion of the west & if my opinion makes me racist to the pc brigade then so be it. People need to ask themselves why countries like saudi aren't helping with the crisis?

iguana

Roger00 wrote: »

This is an invasion of the west & if my opinion makes me racist to the pc brigade then so be it.

Such a massive invasion. If we took in all the refugees the muslim population of Europe would rise from 4% to 5%. How utterly terrifying.:rolleyes:

Roger00 wrote: »

People need to ask themselves why countries like saudi aren't helping with the crisis?

Well if people do ask that it would be a stupid question as Saudi has taken in over 100,000 refugees but instead of giving them refugee status has provided them with permanent resident visas entitling them to the same rights to work and avail of healthcare and education as any Saudi citizen. But don't let the facts get in the way of your rant.

speedboatchase

iguana wrote: »

Such a massive invasion. If we took in all the refugees the muslim population of Europe would rise from 4% to 5%. How utterly terrifying.:rolleyes:

What do you mean by 'all the refugees'? The number is unquantifiable because they keep increasing, and the majority of migrants aren't from Syria (and therefore aren't 'refugees').

sonny.knowles

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Thanks for quoting the whole op again for your insightful opinion.

There was no need to re-read the entire OP.

sonny.knowles

How long before the new arrivals start enforcing sharia law in Sumte? My prayers are with the locals.

Isaiah

iguana wrote: »

Germany has a falling population and needs the immigrants in order to continue to function. What was notable to me is that this village is made up of mostly pensioners? Well who the do they expect to keep the country functioning and to pay the taxes to keep their pensions coming in? It can't be the native population as their birth rate is far below the replacement rate and has been for a very long time now. Merkel's decision to allow in so many refugees is not based on compassion (alone). But simply the economic reality that a large influx of educated young adults and families is necessary to the continuation of German society. It's win/win for both Germany and the refugees who find homes there, but it won't be without difficulty as the country adjusts.

Plenty of young Europeans from poorer countries would gladly fill germany's youth gap if given free houses.

WakeUp

iguana wrote: »

Such a massive invasion. If we took in all the refugees the muslim population of Europe would rise from 4% to 5%. How utterly terrifying.:rolleyes:



Well if people do ask that it would be a stupid question as Saudi has taken in over 100,000 refugees but instead of giving them refugee status has provided them with permanent resident visas entitling them to the same rights to work and avail of healthcare and education as any Saudi citizen. But don't let the facts get in the way of your rant.

the UN human rights chief is a Saudi. and no that isn't a joke it's true. though none of the gulf countries have signed the refugee convention. when can we expect the Saudis to sign the convention??? and the other gulf countries who cite potential terrorism as a reason for not accepting "refugees".

steddyeddy

WakeUp wrote: »

what if the people in that village don't want this?? do they get a say in the matter or not?? what about what they want, you know the people who's village it is.

Well as Spock said "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few".

WakeUp

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well as Spock said "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few".

If you place 1000 outsiders from an alien culture and countries into a village of 100 outnumbering the locals 10/1 I mean that's plantation what else is it .

speedboatchase

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well as Spock said "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few".

Just like how the 'many' needed to burn a fellow Syrian refugee's feet in a German refugee camp because he was gay.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/gay-asylum-seekers-face-threat-from-fellow-refugees-in-europe/2015/10/23/46762ce2-71b8-11e5-ba14-318f8e87a2fc_story.html

kupus

Roger00 wrote: »

No it's not racist to object, what is wrong with people afraid to voice they're opinions? This is an invasion of the west & if my opinion makes me racist to the pc brigade then so be it. People need to ask themselves why countries like saudi aren't helping with the crisis?

They are. They are paying for the construction of mosques in other countries to spread the message of peace and tolerence.

sonny.knowles

speedboatchase wrote: »

Just like how the 'many' needed to burn a fellow Syrian refugee's feet in a German refugee camp because he was gay.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/gay-asylum-seekers-face-threat-from-fellow-refugees-in-europe/2015/10/23/46762ce2-71b8-11e5-ba14-318f8e87a2fc_story.html

It's part of their culture. We should change to suit them.

sonny.knowles

kupus wrote: »

They are. They are paying for the construction of mosques in other countries to spread the message of peace and tolerence.

mosques? Peace and tolerance?

Ave Sodalis

So we're not going to contain our outrage to our own country, we must be outraged on behalf of other countries too? Anyone else tired of being outraged?

Roger00

kupus wrote: »

They are. They are paying for the construction of mosques in other countries to spread the message of peace and tolerence.

Peace & tolerance!? Islam being called a religion of peace is one of the greatest lies but what do you expect from the devil, he is the father of lies, there is no peace in it & certainly no tolerance, convert or die! so much tolerance.

walshyn93

sup_dude wrote: »

So we're not going to contain our outrage to our own country, we must be outraged on behalf of other countries too? Anyone else tired of being outraged?

This comment shows a lack of foresight. When this happens here it will be too late for outrage.

A month ago people would have been arguing that something like this will never happen. Now it's happened and the argument has become "what's the problem?". What will the argument be when it becomes a problem?

And if people argue that there will never be a problem, why should anyone trust them, when they've been consistently wrong with every prediction thus far?

walshyn93

Roger00 wrote: »

Peace & tolerance!? Islam being called a religion of peace is one of the greatest lies but what do you expect from the devil, he is the father of lies, there is no peace in it & certainly no tolerance, convert or die! so much tolerance.

I think he was being sarcastic.

Kristopherus

sonny.knowles wrote: »

mosques? Peace and tolerance?

Indeed. Or do the Germans know that the
migrants they are taking in are squeeky clean??????

Ave Sodalis

My outrage isn't going to do any good then, same way as it won't do any good now. My comment shows a reservation of energy better spent on other things.

WakeUp

sup_dude wrote: »

So we're not going to contain our outrage to our own country, we must be outraged on behalf of other countries too? Anyone else tired of being outraged?

What a silly comment. if you were living in that village how would you feel being told 1000 people from an alien culture and another continent are going to be rolling in?? how would you feel about that...do you think that's right? what if the people in that village don't want this?? they live there it's their village they obviously have the right to tell the German authorities to phuck off right?..

walshyn93

sup_dude wrote: »

My outrage isn't going to do any good then, same way as it won't do any good now. My comment shows a reservation of energy better spent on other things.

Yeah, there's always a more important thread to comment on, you're right.

walshyn93

WakeUp wrote: »

What a silly comment. if you were living in that village how would you feel being told 1000 people from an alien culture and another continent are going to be rolling in?? how would you feel about that...do you think that's right? what if the people in that village don't want this?? they live there it's their village they obviously have the right to tell the German authorities to phuck off right?..

Exactly.

Germany is Germany because it's full of Germans. Syria is Syria because it's full of Syrians. Fill Germany with Syrians and it becomes more like Syria, i.e. more like a disfunctional, bigoted ****hole.

hognef

sonny.knowles wrote: »

How long before the new arrivals start enforcing sharia law in Sumte? My prayers are with the locals.

Do you really think a village of 1102 people has the autonomy to change/introduce such laws at a local level?

WakeUp

hognef wrote: »

Do you really think a village of 1102 people has the autonomy to change/introduce such laws at a local level?

why should a German village of 100 accept 1000 people from an alien culture and countries and in the blink of an eye become outnumbered 10/1 in their own village and where they live...why?..should they just hand their village over to these people..

Ave Sodalis

WakeUp wrote:

What a silly comment. if you were living in that village how would you feel being told 1000 people from an alien culture and another continent are going to be rolling in?? how would you feel about that...do you think that's right? what if the people in that village don't want this?? they live there it's their village they obviously have the right to tell the German authorities to phuck off right?..

How is it any of my, or your business? What is me being outraged and shocked at it going to do? Do you have the power to make any little bit of a difference?

WakeUp

sup_dude wrote: »

How is it any of my, or your business? What is me being outraged and shocked at it going to do? Do you have the power to make any little bit of a difference?

who is outraged? or would you prefer that we just ignore this and not talk about it. placing 1000 people from an alien culture into a German village of 100 this is ok and acceptable in your opinion is it ?? what if the people in that village , rightly so , don't want this..what then ??...

Paramite Pie

iguana wrote: »

Such a massive invasion. If we took in all the refugees the muslim population of Europe would rise from 4% to 5%. How utterly terrifying.:rolleyes:

It's an invasion for this small town. Your 5% statistic is irrelevant here, looking at the overall statistics does not change the fact that this town is seeing a 1000% increase.

Where will 1000 people work? Go to school? It's at a high risk of being an unemployed, uneducated ghetto. That's what happens when populations expand to quickly with no infrastructure regardless of race.

Ave Sodalis

WakeUp wrote: »

who is outraged? or would you prefer that we just ignore this and not talk about it. placing 1000 people from an alien culture into a German village of 100 this is ok and acceptable in your opinion is it ?? what if the people in that village , rightly so , don't want this..what then ??...

A huge amount of people, including the OP, are outraged. At least they're acting like it. There's a difference between talking about it, and running around pointlessly in rebellion on behalf of a village most people here have never heard of until now. So what if they don't want it? What can we do about it? What would being outraged on their behalf going to do?

What practical solution to you propose, rather than "oh no! An alien culture coming in and taking over a poor village I've never heard of! Those poor people who I didn't have a notion existed until now! Get those aliens out! How dare that country I don't have a say in put them there" Yeah, that's just not going to do anything and my point is that it's pointless wasting energy acting like such. What should they do instead? What's your solution to the refugee crisis?

WakeUp

sup_dude wrote: »

A huge amount of people, including the OP, are outraged. At least they're acting like it. There's a difference between talking about it, and running around pointlessly in rebellion on behalf of a village most people here have never heard of until now. So what if they don't want it? What can we do about it? What would being outraged on their behalf going to do?

What practical solution to you propose, rather than "oh no! An alien culture coming in and taking over a poor village I've never heard of! Those poor people who I didn't have a notion existed until now! Get those aliens out! How dare that country I don't have a say in put them there" Yeah, that's just not going to do anything and my point is that it's pointless wasting energy acting like such. What should they do instead? What's your solution to the refugee crisis?

let's be clear about this and call it what it is . a mass migration of nations to Europe it's all one way traffic. to believe otherwise or state otherwise is delusional. the Germans have big big problems coming down the line. practical solution? turn the boats around using European navies. lock our borders and frontiers down using European armies. deport any failed asylum claims from European soil as soon as possible. for a start.

Ave Sodalis

WakeUp wrote: »

let's be clear about this and call it what it is . a mass migration of nations to Europe it's all one way traffic. to believe otherwise or state otherwise is delusional. the Germans have big big problems coming down the line. practical solution? turn the boats around using European navies. lock our borders and frontiers down using European armies. deport any failed asylum claims from European soil as soon as possible. for a start.

Great idea :rolleyes: And then what? Sit back and allow those genuinely seeking refuge to just get blown up?

WakeUp

sup_dude wrote: »

Great idea :rolleyes: And then what? Sit back and allow those genuinely seeking refuge to just get blown up?

How many millions and millions of people is Europe supposed to take in and take care of? Entire countries??...how many exactly..put a figure on it please. it's all one way traffic to Europe vis a vis people claiming asylum. why is it our problem what do we get out of it?...

Ave Sodalis

WakeUp wrote:

How many millions and millions of people is Europe supposed to take in and take care of? Entire countries??...how many exactly..put a figure on it please. it's all one way traffic to Europe vis a vis people claiming asylum. why is it our problem what do we get out of it?...

Oh I see. So it's only not our problem when it's refugees. But when it's genuinely not our problem and can do nothing about it, then we should be up in arms. Gotcha.

Martial9

iguana wrote: »

Germany has a falling population and needs the immigrants in order to continue to function. Well who the do they expect to keep the country functioning and to pay the taxes to keep their pensions coming in? It can't be the native population as their birth rate is far below the replacement rate and has been for a very long time now. Merkel's decision to allow in so many refugees is not based on compassion (alone). But simply the economic reality that a large influx of educated young adults and families is necessary to the continuation of German society. It's win/win for both Germany and the refugees who find homes there, but it won't be without difficulty as the country adjusts.

It is estimated that these 'refugees' will cost Germany anything from EUR 10-45 billion per annum. As for them being well educated and a boon to Germany/Europe - utter fantasy that the media pushed and now people regurgitate if it were fact.

The qualification structure of immigrants from the crisis-afflicted states of Syria, Iraq, Nigeria and Afghanistan is probably poor. According to data from the World Bank, the illiteracy rate even among the 14-24 year old age group is 4 percent, 18 percent, 34 percent and 53 percent in these countries respectively. Even in the most developed of these countries (Syria) only 6 percent of the population has a university degree, which is not equivalent to a German diploma in many cases. Although refugees tend to be male and younger than the demographic average age, one thing is still clear: they are poorly prepared for the German labour market. In addition to language courses, Germany will also need to invest in training, which will generate extra costs. [

http://trueeconomics.blogspot.ie/2015/09/22915-germanys-ifo-refugees-to-cost-ten.html

Yearly cost estimated at €45 billion

Experts from the Kiel Institute for Global Economics (IfW) estimate that the annual costs for supporting refugees will be around €45 billion.


Matthias Lücke of the IfW said at a conference in Kiel on Wednesday that this meant that tax increases were likely in the medium term.

http://www.thelocal.de/20151015/cdu-base-turns-on-merkel-over-refugees

The German labour minister expects an extra 1 million people to be on Hartz IV/dole due to the influx. Article is in German - http://www.focus.de/finanzen/videos/ja-die-zahlen-sind-hoch-nahles-hammer-eine-million-hartz-iv-empfaenger-mehr-durch-fluechtlinge_id_5002298.html

hognef

WakeUp wrote: »

why should a German village of 100 accept 1000 people from an alien culture and countries and in the blink of an eye become outnumbered 10/1 in their own village and where they live...why?..should they just hand their village over to these people..

Read my message. I never said they should.

Paramite Pie

sup_dude wrote: »

Great idea :rolleyes: And then what? Sit back and allow those genuinely seeking refuge to just get blown up?

Or maybe the West shouldn't have armed rebels in Syria in the first place.:rolleyes:

Honestly moving the refugees to a place where there's a prospect of employment might help. Is that too radical a suggestion?

The village couldn't support 1,000 Germans so it won't support a 1,000 Syrians.

Martial9

speedboatchase wrote: »

Germany already has/had an immigration policy for Non-EU arrivals. Like ours, it's about getting the brightest and the best from sectors in which there are a deficit of skilled workers from the EU.

Germany already has a much more liberal immigration system than ours. If you are a non EU STEM grad with qualifications recognised in Germany, have proof of funds to sustain yourself, no criminal convictions, then you can apply for a six month jobseekers visa.

University graduates with a German or other recognized university degree, or a foreign degree comparable to a German degree, are allowed to enter Germany and seek a job once here. They get a job-seeker's visa for their job search and are allowed to stay in Germany for up to six months to find employment. They need to prove that they have enough money to live on during their time here. While trying to find a job, they can not work at all, because the job-seeking visa does not permit them to work, whether on a self-employed basis or otherwise. Your visa will however be changed to a residence permit for employment in Germany, once you have found adequate employment.

http://www.germanymantra.com/living/employment#TOC-Job-Seeker-Visa-for-Germany

Once you get an offer of employment that meets the criteria, you get a Blue Card/residency permit.

A qualified working contract needs to be presented and it needs to be clear that the annual gross salary is at least € 46.4000, i.e. € 3.867 (gross) per month. An annual gross salary of € 37.752, or € 3.146 per month (gross), is also enough in some shortage sectors. At the moment such jobs are: scientists, mathematicians, architects, planning officers, town planners, traffic managers, designers, engineers, engineer scientists, doctors (not including dentists), as well as academic skilled workers in information and communication technology.

http://www.bluecard-eu.de/eu-blue-card-germany/application.html

Good policy and this is how you get immigration to work for you. Make it relatively easy for skilled people to come and find employment.

Don't know wtf they are playing at recently with the come one, come all policy!

jank

iguana wrote: »

Well if people do ask that it would be a stupid question as Saudi has taken in over 100,000 refugees but instead of giving them refugee status has provided them with permanent resident visas entitling them to the same rights to work and avail of healthcare and education as any Saudi citizen. But don't let the facts get in the way of your rant.

Link for this please?