German town with population of 102 to receive 1,000 migrants

Kristopherus · 25-10-2015 01:46PM

sonny.knowles wrote: »

mosques? Peace and tolerance?

Indeed. Or do the Germans know that the
migrants they are taking in are squeeky clean??????

Ave Sodalis · 25-10-2015 01:46PM

My outrage isn't going to do any good then, same way as it won't do any good now. My comment shows a reservation of energy better spent on other things.

WakeUp · 25-10-2015 01:48PM

sup_dude wrote: »

So we're not going to contain our outrage to our own country, we must be outraged on behalf of other countries too? Anyone else tired of being outraged?

What a silly comment. if you were living in that village how would you feel being told 1000 people from an alien culture and another continent are going to be rolling in?? how would you feel about that...do you think that's right? what if the people in that village don't want this?? they live there it's their village they obviously have the right to tell the German authorities to phuck off right?..

walshyn93 · 25-10-2015 01:50PM

sup_dude wrote: »

My outrage isn't going to do any good then, same way as it won't do any good now. My comment shows a reservation of energy better spent on other things.

Yeah, there's always a more important thread to comment on, you're right.

walshyn93 · 25-10-2015 01:52PM

WakeUp wrote: »

What a silly comment. if you were living in that village how would you feel being told 1000 people from an alien culture and another continent are going to be rolling in?? how would you feel about that...do you think that's right? what if the people in that village don't want this?? they live there it's their village they obviously have the right to tell the German authorities to phuck off right?..

Exactly.

Germany is Germany because it's full of Germans. Syria is Syria because it's full of Syrians. Fill Germany with Syrians and it becomes more like Syria, i.e. more like a disfunctional, bigoted ****hole.

hognef · 25-10-2015 01:55PM

sonny.knowles wrote: »

How long before the new arrivals start enforcing sharia law in Sumte? My prayers are with the locals.

Do you really think a village of 1102 people has the autonomy to change/introduce such laws at a local level?

WakeUp · 25-10-2015 01:58PM

hognef wrote: »

Do you really think a village of 1102 people has the autonomy to change/introduce such laws at a local level?

why should a German village of 100 accept 1000 people from an alien culture and countries and in the blink of an eye become outnumbered 10/1 in their own village and where they live...why?..should they just hand their village over to these people..

Ave Sodalis · 25-10-2015 02:02PM

WakeUp wrote:

What a silly comment. if you were living in that village how would you feel being told 1000 people from an alien culture and another continent are going to be rolling in?? how would you feel about that...do you think that's right? what if the people in that village don't want this?? they live there it's their village they obviously have the right to tell the German authorities to phuck off right?..

How is it any of my, or your business? What is me being outraged and shocked at it going to do? Do you have the power to make any little bit of a difference?

WakeUp · 25-10-2015 02:07PM

sup_dude wrote: »

How is it any of my, or your business? What is me being outraged and shocked at it going to do? Do you have the power to make any little bit of a difference?

who is outraged? or would you prefer that we just ignore this and not talk about it. placing 1000 people from an alien culture into a German village of 100 this is ok and acceptable in your opinion is it ?? what if the people in that village , rightly so , don't want this..what then ??...

Paramite Pie · 25-10-2015 02:07PM

iguana wrote: »

Such a massive invasion. If we took in all the refugees the muslim population of Europe would rise from 4% to 5%. How utterly terrifying.:rolleyes:

It's an invasion for this small town. Your 5% statistic is irrelevant here, looking at the overall statistics does not change the fact that this town is seeing a 1000% increase.

Where will 1000 people work? Go to school? It's at a high risk of being an unemployed, uneducated ghetto. That's what happens when populations expand to quickly with no infrastructure regardless of race.

Ave Sodalis · 25-10-2015 02:15PM

WakeUp wrote: »

who is outraged? or would you prefer that we just ignore this and not talk about it. placing 1000 people from an alien culture into a German village of 100 this is ok and acceptable in your opinion is it ?? what if the people in that village , rightly so , don't want this..what then ??...

A huge amount of people, including the OP, are outraged. At least they're acting like it. There's a difference between talking about it, and running around pointlessly in rebellion on behalf of a village most people here have never heard of until now. So what if they don't want it? What can we do about it? What would being outraged on their behalf going to do?

What practical solution to you propose, rather than "oh no! An alien culture coming in and taking over a poor village I've never heard of! Those poor people who I didn't have a notion existed until now! Get those aliens out! How dare that country I don't have a say in put them there" Yeah, that's just not going to do anything and my point is that it's pointless wasting energy acting like such. What should they do instead? What's your solution to the refugee crisis?

WakeUp · 25-10-2015 02:22PM

sup_dude wrote: »

A huge amount of people, including the OP, are outraged. At least they're acting like it. There's a difference between talking about it, and running around pointlessly in rebellion on behalf of a village most people here have never heard of until now. So what if they don't want it? What can we do about it? What would being outraged on their behalf going to do?

What practical solution to you propose, rather than "oh no! An alien culture coming in and taking over a poor village I've never heard of! Those poor people who I didn't have a notion existed until now! Get those aliens out! How dare that country I don't have a say in put them there" Yeah, that's just not going to do anything and my point is that it's pointless wasting energy acting like such. What should they do instead? What's your solution to the refugee crisis?

let's be clear about this and call it what it is . a mass migration of nations to Europe it's all one way traffic. to believe otherwise or state otherwise is delusional. the Germans have big big problems coming down the line. practical solution? turn the boats around using European navies. lock our borders and frontiers down using European armies. deport any failed asylum claims from European soil as soon as possible. for a start.

Ave Sodalis · 25-10-2015 02:24PM

WakeUp wrote: »

let's be clear about this and call it what it is . a mass migration of nations to Europe it's all one way traffic. to believe otherwise or state otherwise is delusional. the Germans have big big problems coming down the line. practical solution? turn the boats around using European navies. lock our borders and frontiers down using European armies. deport any failed asylum claims from European soil as soon as possible. for a start.

Great idea :rolleyes: And then what? Sit back and allow those genuinely seeking refuge to just get blown up?

WakeUp · 25-10-2015 02:27PM

sup_dude wrote: »

Great idea :rolleyes: And then what? Sit back and allow those genuinely seeking refuge to just get blown up?

How many millions and millions of people is Europe supposed to take in and take care of? Entire countries??...how many exactly..put a figure on it please. it's all one way traffic to Europe vis a vis people claiming asylum. why is it our problem what do we get out of it?...

Ave Sodalis · 25-10-2015 02:34PM

WakeUp wrote:

How many millions and millions of people is Europe supposed to take in and take care of? Entire countries??...how many exactly..put a figure on it please. it's all one way traffic to Europe vis a vis people claiming asylum. why is it our problem what do we get out of it?...

Oh I see. So it's only not our problem when it's refugees. But when it's genuinely not our problem and can do nothing about it, then we should be up in arms. Gotcha.

Martial9 · 25-10-2015 02:34PM

iguana wrote: »

Germany has a falling population and needs the immigrants in order to continue to function. Well who the do they expect to keep the country functioning and to pay the taxes to keep their pensions coming in? It can't be the native population as their birth rate is far below the replacement rate and has been for a very long time now. Merkel's decision to allow in so many refugees is not based on compassion (alone). But simply the economic reality that a large influx of educated young adults and families is necessary to the continuation of German society. It's win/win for both Germany and the refugees who find homes there, but it won't be without difficulty as the country adjusts.

It is estimated that these 'refugees' will cost Germany anything from EUR 10-45 billion per annum. As for them being well educated and a boon to Germany/Europe - utter fantasy that the media pushed and now people regurgitate if it were fact.

The qualification structure of immigrants from the crisis-afflicted states of Syria, Iraq, Nigeria and Afghanistan is probably poor. According to data from the World Bank, the illiteracy rate even among the 14-24 year old age group is 4 percent, 18 percent, 34 percent and 53 percent in these countries respectively. Even in the most developed of these countries (Syria) only 6 percent of the population has a university degree, which is not equivalent to a German diploma in many cases. Although refugees tend to be male and younger than the demographic average age, one thing is still clear: they are poorly prepared for the German labour market. In addition to language courses, Germany will also need to invest in training, which will generate extra costs. [

http://trueeconomics.blogspot.ie/2015/09/22915-germanys-ifo-refugees-to-cost-ten.html

Yearly cost estimated at €45 billion

Experts from the Kiel Institute for Global Economics (IfW) estimate that the annual costs for supporting refugees will be around €45 billion.

Matthias Lücke of the IfW said at a conference in Kiel on Wednesday that this meant that tax increases were likely in the medium term.

http://www.thelocal.de/20151015/cdu-base-turns-on-merkel-over-refugees

The German labour minister expects an extra 1 million people to be on Hartz IV/dole due to the influx. Article is in German - http://www.focus.de/finanzen/videos/ja-die-zahlen-sind-hoch-nahles-hammer-eine-million-hartz-iv-empfaenger-mehr-durch-fluechtlinge_id_5002298.html

hognef · 25-10-2015 02:35PM

WakeUp wrote: »

why should a German village of 100 accept 1000 people from an alien culture and countries and in the blink of an eye become outnumbered 10/1 in their own village and where they live...why?..should they just hand their village over to these people..

Read my message. I never said they should.

Paramite Pie · 25-10-2015 02:37PM

sup_dude wrote: »

Great idea :rolleyes: And then what? Sit back and allow those genuinely seeking refuge to just get blown up?

Or maybe the West shouldn't have armed rebels in Syria in the first place.:rolleyes:

Honestly moving the refugees to a place where there's a prospect of employment might help. Is that too radical a suggestion?

The village couldn't support 1,000 Germans so it won't support a 1,000 Syrians.

Martial9 · 25-10-2015 02:44PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

Germany already has/had an immigration policy for Non-EU arrivals. Like ours, it's about getting the brightest and the best from sectors in which there are a deficit of skilled workers from the EU.

Germany already has a much more liberal immigration system than ours. If you are a non EU STEM grad with qualifications recognised in Germany, have proof of funds to sustain yourself, no criminal convictions, then you can apply for a six month jobseekers visa.

University graduates with a German or other recognized university degree, or a foreign degree comparable to a German degree, are allowed to enter Germany and seek a job once here. They get a job-seeker's visa for their job search and are allowed to stay in Germany for up to six months to find employment. They need to prove that they have enough money to live on during their time here. While trying to find a job, they can not work at all, because the job-seeking visa does not permit them to work, whether on a self-employed basis or otherwise. Your visa will however be changed to a residence permit for employment in Germany, once you have found adequate employment.

http://www.germanymantra.com/living/employment#TOC-Job-Seeker-Visa-for-Germany

Once you get an offer of employment that meets the criteria, you get a Blue Card/residency permit.

A qualified working contract needs to be presented and it needs to be clear that the annual gross salary is at least € 46.4000, i.e. € 3.867 (gross) per month. An annual gross salary of € 37.752, or € 3.146 per month (gross), is also enough in some shortage sectors. At the moment such jobs are: scientists, mathematicians, architects, planning officers, town planners, traffic managers, designers, engineers, engineer scientists, doctors (not including dentists), as well as academic skilled workers in information and communication technology.

http://www.bluecard-eu.de/eu-blue-card-germany/application.html

Good policy and this is how you get immigration to work for you. Make it relatively easy for skilled people to come and find employment.

Don't know wtf they are playing at recently with the come one, come all policy!

jank · 25-10-2015 02:47PM

iguana wrote: »

Well if people do ask that it would be a stupid question as Saudi has taken in over 100,000 refugees but instead of giving them refugee status has provided them with permanent resident visas entitling them to the same rights to work and avail of healthcare and education as any Saudi citizen. But don't let the facts get in the way of your rant.

Link for this please?

walshyn93 · 25-10-2015 02:54PM

Martial9 wrote: »

Don't know wtf they are playing at recently with the come one, come all policy!

I might be the first person to say this, but I think Merkel is genuinely losing her marbles. When she made an open invitation she must have had a total brain fart. For all we know she's becoming senile. For such a pragmatic decision maker to make such a boo-boo is very rare.

Massimo Cassagrande · 25-10-2015 02:57PM

walshyn93 wrote: »

I might be the first person to say this, but I think Merkel is genuinely losing her marbles. When she made an open invitation she must have had a total brain fart. For all we know she's becoming senile. For such a pragmatic decision maker to make such a boo-boo is very rare.

Or maybe she's a c**t and wants to dilute Europe with a massive influx. Politician in "screwing their own people" shocker.

Martial9 · 25-10-2015 02:59PM

walshyn93 wrote: »

I might be the first person to say this, but I think Merkel is genuinely losing her marbles. When she made an open invitation she must have had a total brain fart. For all we know she's becoming senile. For such a pragmatic decision maker to make such a boo-boo is very rare.

Here is Merkel explaining to a Palestinian refugee girl in Rostock just last July that not all asylum seekers can stay and some will have to leave.

A month later she announced the house party on Facebook!

WakeUp · 25-10-2015 03:00PM

sup_dude wrote: »

Oh I see. So it's only not our problem when it's refugees. But when it's genuinely not our problem and can do nothing about it, then we should be up in arms. Gotcha.

but they aren't all refugees are they. this is a mass migration of nations to Europe who cares what's up with them of course it's not our problem but unfortunately apparently it is . because , and this isn't directed at you , dogooders and woollies and other such people in our part of the world let emotions trump reason. that moral fire that burns insatiably inside of them truth is though they are so far out of their league and in over their heads with regard to this situation it would be funny if it wasn't so serious.

walshyn93 · 25-10-2015 03:00PM

jank wrote: »

Link for this please?

The only source for what he's saying is the ruling family's propaganda machine which has been regurgitated unthinkingly by HuffPo and other desperate lefty outlets. They cite the lack of a wall as evidence that refugees have been accepted into Saudi Arabia. Comically naive and convenient that such advocates of human rights like Huffington Post would accept at face value the word of the country that likes to crucify young boys for freedom of speech.

25-10-2015 03:01PM

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=aeA6snoT-L8

Rally in Cologne right now, police out with water cannons

play it again · 25-10-2015 03:07PM

iguana wrote: »

Well if people do ask that it would be a stupid question as Saudi has taken in over 100,000 refugees but instead of giving them refugee status has provided them with permanent resident visas entitling them to the same rights to work and avail of healthcare and education as any Saudi citizen. But don't let the facts get in the way of your rant.

Complete and utter nonsense ,to say they have the same rights as ordinary citizens is being simplistic , even westerners are regarded as second class citizens in Saudi , and I'm talking about what happens in dealings in every day life , not when it comes to political nonsense spouted to the gullible media .

The reason they have taken in refugees ? Cheap labour and nothing else , don't fool yourself thinking Saudi have turned a new leaf, they haven't , they were just short of workers who have no choice but to work for free

sonny.knowles · 25-10-2015 03:10PM

hognef wrote: »

Do you really think a village of 1102 people has the autonomy to change/introduce such laws at a local level?

Well they have tried to enforcer it at local level in the UK, why would it be any different here?

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2013/dec/06/muslim-vigilantes-jailed-sharia-law-attacks-london

walshyn93 · 25-10-2015 03:14PM

hognef wrote: »

Do you really think a village of 1102 people has the autonomy to change/introduce such laws at a local level?

Sharia law exists independently of the law of the land. It exists in the form of Sharia arbitration courts and vigilantism. With a 10:1 split in favour of Syrians who is going to prevent them taking the law into their own hands?

Martial9 · 25-10-2015 03:29PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well as Spock said "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few".

The inhabitants of the village are mostly pensioners who helped rebuild Germany from being a flattened wasteland to being an economic powerhouse. They deserve to live out their days in relative comfort and not see their village become an refugee camp.

German town with population of 102 to receive 1,000 migrants

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