German town with population of 102 to receive 1,000 migrants

speedboatchase · 25-10-2015 12:19PM #1

Remarkable piece of info from a feature in today's Sunday Times titled 'Migrants march into storm of hate', which is very sympathetic to the migrants' plight.

'Sumte is home to 102 people, half of them well-to-do pensioners who live in handsome farmhouses amid the lush countryside.

But their idyll is about to end. The tiny community, which was once on the Soviet side of the Iron Curtain, has become a symbol of Germany’s desperate struggle to cope with the tidal wave of more than 1.5m migrants expected to enter the country by the end of this year.

The first batch of 400 is expected in Sumte this week. They will be housed in an abandoned office block once home to a debt-collecting agency. Bulldozers are digging a new sewage system to cope with the 10-fold rise in population.

“We feel reminded of the Soviet times, when the government ruled despite the people and when some of us here even had their property confiscated by the military,” said Fabel, 55, a member of Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democrats.

“Everyone’s in favour of helping refugees, but 10 to one is simply too much. We don’t have the infrastructure in our little village.”

In Sumte, across Germany and indeed throughout continental Europe, compassion for foreigners fleeing war and barbarism in their homeland has given way to anger and fear, boosting support for populist parties and raising the prospect of a violent backlash.'

The feature continues here: http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/focus/article1623747.ece

Granted, this is a relatively isolated case but to me it encapsulated just how Merkel's unilateral decision has been and her continued objection to imposing upper limits for immigration. An entire town that will literally be changed overnight forever.

biko · 25-10-2015 12:21PM

It's racist to object, so I'm all for it.

Rightwing · 25-10-2015 12:22PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

Remarkable piece of info from a feature in today's Sunday Times titled 'Migrants march into storm of hate', which is very sympathetic to the migrants' plight.

'Sumte is home to 102 people, half of them well-to-do pensioners who live in handsome farmhouses amid the lush countryside.

But their idyll is about to end. The tiny community, which was once on the Soviet side of the Iron Curtain, has become a symbol of Germany’s desperate struggle to cope with the tidal wave of more than 1.5m migrants expected to enter the country by the end of this year.

The first batch of 400 is expected in Sumte this week. They will be housed in an abandoned office block once home to a debt-collecting agency. Bulldozers are digging a new sewage system to cope with the 10-fold rise in population.

“We feel reminded of the Soviet times, when the government ruled despite the people and when some of us here even had their property confiscated by the military,” said Fabel, 55, a member of Chancellor Angela Merkel’s Christian Democrats.

“Everyone’s in favour of helping refugees, but 10 to one is simply too much. We don’t have the infrastructure in our little village.”

In Sumte, across Germany and indeed throughout continental Europe, compassion for foreigners fleeing war and barbarism in their homeland has given way to anger and fear, boosting support for populist parties and raising the prospect of a violent backlash.'

The feature continues here: http://www.thesundaytimes.co.uk/sto/news/focus/article1623747.ece

Granted, this is a relatively isolated case but to me it encapsulated just how Merkel's unilateral decision has been and her continued objection to imposing upper limits for immigration. An entire town that will literally be changed overnight forever.

Ridiculous.

What an idiot.

Sir Osis of Liver. · 25-10-2015 12:27PM

I'm fcuked if I'm paying €1 to read the rest of that article.

walshyn93 · 25-10-2015 12:28PM

Front Nationale and UKIP have been uncharacteristically quiet of late and it's because Europe's politicians are doing their work for them.

iguana · 25-10-2015 12:33PM

Germany has a falling population and needs the immigrants in order to continue to function. What was notable to me is that this village is made up of mostly pensioners? Well who the do they expect to keep the country functioning and to pay the taxes to keep their pensions coming in? It can't be the native population as their birth rate is far below the replacement rate and has been for a very long time now. Merkel's decision to allow in so many refugees is not based on compassion (alone). But simply the economic reality that a large influx of educated young adults and families is necessary to the continuation of German society. It's win/win for both Germany and the refugees who find homes there, but it won't be without difficulty as the country adjusts.

speedboatchase · 25-10-2015 12:34PM

Sir Osis of Liver. wrote: »

I'm fcuked if I'm paying €1 to read the rest of that article.

Migrants march into storm of hate

Firebrands are exploiting the refugee crisis to garner votes by fanning fear of a ‘Muslim invasion’

Harry Palmr · 25-10-2015 12:36PM

/\ that will get edited by a mod - we're not allowed to reproduce whole articles any more esp from behind paywalls.

Germany will be littered with examples like this, and then the riots will follow as natives becomes foreigners in their own villages and towns and of course its the immigrants who will bear the brunt when its the government they should be burning down.

The Moldy Gowl · 25-10-2015 12:37PM

Rightwing wrote: »

Ridiculous.

What an idiot.

Thanks for quoting the whole op again for your insightful opinion.

Dr.Internet · 25-10-2015 12:37PM

They invited them and are suprised they turned up!

WakeUp · 25-10-2015 12:38PM

iguana wrote: »

Germany has a falling population and needs the immigrants in order to continue to function. What was notable to me is that this village is made up of mostly pensioners? Well who the do they expect to keep the country functioning and to pay the taxes to keep their pensions coming in? It can't be the native population as their birth rate is far below the replacement rate and has been for a very long time now. Merkel's decision to allow in so many refugees is not based on compassion (alone). But simply the economic reality that a large influx of educated young adults and families is necessary to the continuation of German society. It's win/win for both Germany and the refugees who find homes there, but it won't be without difficulty as the country adjusts.

what if the people in that village don't want this?? do they get a say in the matter or not?? what about what they want, you know the people who's village it is.

walshyn93 · 25-10-2015 12:38PM

iguana wrote: »

Germany has a falling population and needs the immigrants in order to continue to function. What was notable to me is that this village is made up of mostly pensioners? Well who the do they expect to keep the country functioning and to pay the taxes to keep their pensions coming in? It can't be the native population as their birth rate is far below the replacement rate and has been for a very long time now. Merkel's decision to allow in so many refugees is not based on compassion (alone). But simply the economic reality that a large influx of educated young adults and families is necessary to the continuation of German society. It's win/win for both Germany and the refugees who find homes there, but it won't be without difficulty as the country adjusts.

Keep drinking the kool aid. The whole purpose of the EU was to share workers. Merkel wants to let a bunch of non EU citizens in even though she has access to 700 million Europeans. Shows a lack of trust in the EU project and lack of respect for the sovereignty of the countries these people have to travel through.

Another point, do third world countries not need skilled workers too? The cycle of taking their talent and giving them aid is going to continue indefinitely unless we make them stay where they are and build their own countries.

speedboatchase · 25-10-2015 12:40PM

iguana wrote: »

Germany has a falling population and needs the immigrants in order to continue to function. What was notable to me is that this village is made up of mostly pensioners? Well who the do they expect to keep the country functioning and to pay the taxes to keep their pensions coming in? It can't be the native population as their birth rate is far below the replacement rate and has been for a very long time now. Merkel's decision to allow in so many refugees is not based on compassion (alone). But simply the economic reality that a large influx of educated young adults and families is necessary to the continuation of German society. It's win/win for both Germany and the refugees who find homes there, but it won't be without difficulty as the country adjusts.

Germany already has/had an immigration policy for Non-EU arrivals. Like ours, it's about getting the brightest and the best from sectors in which there are a deficit of skilled workers from the EU. Over 1 million people in one year (1.5 million if the figures leaked to Bild are to be believed) who don't speak German, are overwhelmingly male, and most of whom do not share the same religion, cultural background etc is not a 'win-win'.

It's going to be a very difficult integration process, especially if there are no limits on arrivals. The more people that come to the country, the worse the conditions for the migrants who arrive, and the greater the animosity from the host population. I'm imagining modern Sweden, but in a Germany with 8x the population.

Dr.Internet · 25-10-2015 12:45PM

iguana wrote: »

Germany has a falling population and needs the immigrants in order to continue to function. What was notable to me is that this village is made up of mostly pensioners? Well who the do they expect to keep the country functioning and to pay the taxes to keep their pensions coming in? It can't be the native population as their birth rate is far below the replacement rate and has been for a very long time now. Merkel's decision to allow in so many refugees is not based on compassion (alone). But simply the economic reality that a large influx of educated young adults and families is necessary to the continuation of German society. It's win/win for both Germany and the refugees who find homes there, but it won't be without difficulty as the country adjusts.

Lucky enough for the pensioners these people are all highly educated doctors and lawyers, eh, are the train station welcoming committees and facebook bed pledgers still going with that line? or is that soooo last week?

Roger00 · 25-10-2015 12:48PM

biko wrote: »

It's racist to object, so I'm all for it.

No it's not racist to object, what is wrong with people afraid to voice they're opinions? This is an invasion of the west & if my opinion makes me racist to the pc brigade then so be it. People need to ask themselves why countries like saudi aren't helping with the crisis?

iguana · 25-10-2015 01:03PM

Roger00 wrote: »

This is an invasion of the west & if my opinion makes me racist to the pc brigade then so be it.

Such a massive invasion. If we took in all the refugees the muslim population of Europe would rise from 4% to 5%. How utterly terrifying.:rolleyes:

Roger00 wrote: »

People need to ask themselves why countries like saudi aren't helping with the crisis?

Well if people do ask that it would be a stupid question as Saudi has taken in over 100,000 refugees but instead of giving them refugee status has provided them with permanent resident visas entitling them to the same rights to work and avail of healthcare and education as any Saudi citizen. But don't let the facts get in the way of your rant.

speedboatchase · 25-10-2015 01:13PM

iguana wrote: »

Such a massive invasion. If we took in all the refugees the muslim population of Europe would rise from 4% to 5%. How utterly terrifying.:rolleyes:

What do you mean by 'all the refugees'? The number is unquantifiable because they keep increasing, and the majority of migrants aren't from Syria (and therefore aren't 'refugees').

sonny.knowles · 25-10-2015 01:15PM

Gowlasauras Rex wrote: »

Thanks for quoting the whole op again for your insightful opinion.

There was no need to re-read the entire OP.

sonny.knowles · 25-10-2015 01:17PM

How long before the new arrivals start enforcing sharia law in Sumte? My prayers are with the locals.

Isaiah · 25-10-2015 01:18PM

iguana wrote: »

Germany has a falling population and needs the immigrants in order to continue to function. What was notable to me is that this village is made up of mostly pensioners? Well who the do they expect to keep the country functioning and to pay the taxes to keep their pensions coming in? It can't be the native population as their birth rate is far below the replacement rate and has been for a very long time now. Merkel's decision to allow in so many refugees is not based on compassion (alone). But simply the economic reality that a large influx of educated young adults and families is necessary to the continuation of German society. It's win/win for both Germany and the refugees who find homes there, but it won't be without difficulty as the country adjusts.

Plenty of young Europeans from poorer countries would gladly fill germany's youth gap if given free houses.

WakeUp · 25-10-2015 01:21PM

iguana wrote: »

Such a massive invasion. If we took in all the refugees the muslim population of Europe would rise from 4% to 5%. How utterly terrifying.:rolleyes:

Well if people do ask that it would be a stupid question as Saudi has taken in over 100,000 refugees but instead of giving them refugee status has provided them with permanent resident visas entitling them to the same rights to work and avail of healthcare and education as any Saudi citizen. But don't let the facts get in the way of your rant.

the UN human rights chief is a Saudi. and no that isn't a joke it's true. though none of the gulf countries have signed the refugee convention. when can we expect the Saudis to sign the convention??? and the other gulf countries who cite potential terrorism as a reason for not accepting "refugees".

steddyeddy · 25-10-2015 01:27PM

WakeUp wrote: »

what if the people in that village don't want this?? do they get a say in the matter or not?? what about what they want, you know the people who's village it is.

Well as Spock said "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few".

WakeUp · 25-10-2015 01:30PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well as Spock said "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few".

If you place 1000 outsiders from an alien culture and countries into a village of 100 outnumbering the locals 10/1 I mean that's plantation what else is it .

speedboatchase · 25-10-2015 01:31PM

steddyeddy wrote: »

Well as Spock said "the needs of the many outweigh the needs of the few".

Just like how the 'many' needed to burn a fellow Syrian refugee's feet in a German refugee camp because he was gay.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/gay-asylum-seekers-face-threat-from-fellow-refugees-in-europe/2015/10/23/46762ce2-71b8-11e5-ba14-318f8e87a2fc_story.html

kupus · 25-10-2015 01:34PM

Roger00 wrote: »

No it's not racist to object, what is wrong with people afraid to voice they're opinions? This is an invasion of the west & if my opinion makes me racist to the pc brigade then so be it. People need to ask themselves why countries like saudi aren't helping with the crisis?

They are. They are paying for the construction of mosques in other countries to spread the message of peace and tolerence.

sonny.knowles · 25-10-2015 01:36PM

speedboatchase wrote: »

Just like how the 'many' needed to burn a fellow Syrian refugee's feet in a German refugee camp because he was gay.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/europe/gay-asylum-seekers-face-threat-from-fellow-refugees-in-europe/2015/10/23/46762ce2-71b8-11e5-ba14-318f8e87a2fc_story.html

It's part of their culture. We should change to suit them.

sonny.knowles · 25-10-2015 01:37PM

kupus wrote: »

They are. They are paying for the construction of mosques in other countries to spread the message of peace and tolerence.

mosques? Peace and tolerance?

Ave Sodalis · 25-10-2015 01:42PM

So we're not going to contain our outrage to our own country, we must be outraged on behalf of other countries too? Anyone else tired of being outraged?

Roger00 · 25-10-2015 01:43PM

kupus wrote: »

They are. They are paying for the construction of mosques in other countries to spread the message of peace and tolerence.

Peace & tolerance!? Islam being called a religion of peace is one of the greatest lies but what do you expect from the devil, he is the father of lies, there is no peace in it & certainly no tolerance, convert or die! so much tolerance.

walshyn93 · 25-10-2015 01:44PM

sup_dude wrote: »

So we're not going to contain our outrage to our own country, we must be outraged on behalf of other countries too? Anyone else tired of being outraged?

This comment shows a lack of foresight. When this happens here it will be too late for outrage.

A month ago people would have been arguing that something like this will never happen. Now it's happened and the argument has become "what's the problem?". What will the argument be when it becomes a problem?

And if people argue that there will never be a problem, why should anyone trust them, when they've been consistently wrong with every prediction thus far?

walshyn93 · 25-10-2015 01:45PM

Roger00 wrote: »

Peace & tolerance!? Islam being called a religion of peace is one of the greatest lies but what do you expect from the devil, he is the father of lies, there is no peace in it & certainly no tolerance, convert or die! so much tolerance.

I think he was being sarcastic.

German town with population of 102 to receive 1,000 migrants

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