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Joe_ Public · 24-10-2015 07:48AM

September 14 - the meeting in Sandyford where the IABA claims a contract agreement is reached.

September 17 - IABA sends a draft contract to Billy Walsh's legal advisers. Deeming it unacceptable, they write back to IABA seeking over 60 amendments.

October 8 - After two requests for an answer, IABA finally responds, while Billy is in Doha with the boxers, and the answer is negative on all points.

That delay between Sept 17 and Oct 8 seems extraordinary. What were they doing in the meantime and then finally dealing with it while the World Championships were ongoing? Why the prevarication? Why no sense of urgency? The IABA statement gives the impression that they believed they had dealt with all of Walsh's concerns, and hence their shock at his resignation, but that seems a highly questionable version of what actually happened.

Tiredout · 24-10-2015 09:52AM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

September 14 - the meeting in Sandyford where the IABA claims a contract agreement is reached.

September 17 - IABA sends a draft contract to Billy Walsh's legal advisers. Deeming it unacceptable, they write back to IABA seeking over 60 amendments.

October 8 - After two requests for an answer, IABA finally responds, while Billy is in Doha with the boxers, and the answer is negative on all points.

That delay between Sept 17 and Oct 8 seems extraordinary. What were they doing in the meantime and then finally dealing with it while the World Championships were ongoing? Why the prevarication? Why no sense of urgency? The IABA statement gives the impression that they believed they had dealt with all of Walsh's concerns, and hence their shock at his resignation, but that seems a highly questionable version of what actually happened.

Excellent article by Vincent hogan in the independent on the discussions and timeframes. As you say IABA version highly questionable

Henno30 · 24-10-2015 09:58AM

The independent go into a feeding frenzy at the sniff of a fall-out in organisations the FAI, GAA, or IABA. Anything except rugby, where abject failure at yet another 'world cup' is lauded as utterly heroic. Maybe in time enough of our boxing people will come from private schooled families and all that will change.

Tiredout · 24-10-2015 10:05AM

Henno30 wrote: »

The independent go into a feeding frenzy at the sniff of a fall-out in organisations the FAI, GAA, or IABA. Anything except rugby, where abject failure at yet another 'world cup' is lauded as utterly heroic. Maybe in time enough of our boxing people will come from private schooled families and all that will change.

Keeping this trend on topic The independent should be in a frenzy about this. Level of incompetence from IABA is staggering.

walshb · 24-10-2015 10:05AM

Tiredout wrote: »

Excellent article by Vincent hogan in the independent on the discussions and timeframes. As you say IABA version highly questionable

I read that. By far the most detailed if any article.

Joe_ Public · 24-10-2015 10:22AM

walshb wrote: »

I read that. By far the most detailed if any article.

We can assume that it's a fair summation of the Billy Walsh side of things. They obviously have been given copies of the drafted contracts, pity they didn't publish the list of amendments.

Interesting to learn he had conducted a review of the HP Unit 2 years ago and concluded they needed to up their game - a good illustration of the professionalism he brought I believe. That's what marks Walsh out from the rest - he isn't just high performance, he actually lives it and the IABA amateurs wouldn't even give him the title, insisting they were the real leaders of the program. I don't think they've quite grasped what they've lost here and probably never will.

Strazdas · 24-10-2015 11:57AM

Tiredout wrote: »

Excellent article by Vincent hogan in the independent on the discussions and timeframes. As you say IABA version highly questionable

Here it is :

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/boxing/the-real-story-behind-why-billy-walsh-said-goodbye-to-irish-boxing-34137122.html

The gist of it seems to be that Carruth and Christle and the rest of the IABA board wanted Walsh out from the outset (or at least certainly were far from enthused about the prospect of keeping him ie. if he was to stay on, it would be on their terms, definitely not on his and making it very clear that they were running the show and he was merely an employee of theirs).

Strazdas · 24-10-2015 12:00PM

Joe_ Public wrote: »

We can assume that it's a fair summation of the Billy Walsh side of things. They obviously have been given copies of the drafted contracts, pity they didn't publish the list of amendments.

Interesting to learn he had conducted a review of the HP Unit 2 years ago and concluded they needed to up their game - a good illustration of the professionalism he brought I believe. That's what marks Walsh out from the rest - he isn't just high performance, he actually lives it and the IABA amateurs wouldn't even give him the title, insisting they were the real leaders of the program. I don't think they've quite grasped what they've lost here and probably never will.

The 'Billy Walsh side of things' seems far more credible and coherent than anything we heard from Carruth and Christle yesterday. That sounded like an exercise in evasion and an effort to throw up a smokescreen around the whole affair.

Strazdas · 24-10-2015 02:02PM

New statement from Billy Walsh :

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/boxing/breaking-the-iaba-clearly-didnt-want-me-and-went-out-of-their-way-to-undermine-me-billy-walsh-34137974.html

He makes the allegation that (in his opinion) everything the IABA did between August and October was done with the intention of forcing him out of Irish boxing for good and to move to the USA ie. that they actively wanted him to resign his post and be rid of him forever.

mikerobertson · 24-10-2015 02:06PM

My dad works in the iaba. I don't want to get too detailed but Walsh was certainly getting too big for his boots over the last 12 months, relations had been strained for longer, since the last Olympics. I personally feel there are plenty who can keep up what he did with ease. The talent is there and he didn't create the talent.

Strazdas · 24-10-2015 02:13PM

mikerobertson wrote: »

My dad works in the iaba. I don't want to get too detailed but Walsh was certainly getting too big for his boots over the last 12 months, relations had been strained for longer, since the last Olympics. I personally feel there are plenty who can keep up what he did with ease. The talent is there and he didn't create the talent.

So you would concede that what Walsh is saying is generally correct, that they wanted him out and someone new to replace him? That does seem to be the case, no matter which side of the fence anyone is on regarding his role.

dixiefly · 24-10-2015 02:19PM

mikerobertson wrote: »

My dad works in the iaba. I don't want to get too detailed but Walsh was certainly getting too big for his boots over the last 12 months, relations had been strained for longer, since the last Olympics. I personally feel there are plenty who can keep up what he did with ease. The talent is there and he didn't create the talent.

So we will have to wait and see. Progress a upcoming competitions will be interesting.

I note that your dad didnt dispute the facts as stated by Walsh.

marienbad · 24-10-2015 02:23PM

mikerobertson wrote: »

My dad works in the iaba. I don't want to get too detailed but Walsh was certainly getting too big for his boots over the last 12 months, relations had been strained for longer, since the last Olympics. I personally feel there are plenty who can keep up what he did with ease. The talent is there and he didn't create the talent.

The reality is talent alone does not win medals .

Strazdas · 24-10-2015 02:24PM

dixiefly wrote: »

So we will have to wait and see. Progress a upcoming competitions will be interesting.

I note that your dad didnt dispute the facts as stated by Walsh.

Also getting too big for his boots might be IABA speak for Walsh seeking more power and autonomy. But he has actually said in his statement today that is what he was looking for.

efb · 24-10-2015 02:25PM

http://www.irish-boxing.com/billy-walsh-responds-incorrect-iaba-statement/

Billy Walsh responds to IABA statement

efb · 24-10-2015 02:26PM

mikerobertson wrote: »

My dad works in the iaba. I don't want to get too detailed but Walsh was certainly getting too big for his boots over the last 12 months, relations had been strained for longer, since the last Olympics. I personally feel there are plenty who can keep up what he did with ease. The talent is there and he didn't create the talent.

Beware the green eyed monster eh...

super_furry · 24-10-2015 02:29PM

At this stage if the IABA put out a statement saying the sky was blue, I wouldn't believe them.

flutered · 24-10-2015 02:30PM

mikerobertson wrote: »

My dad works in the iaba. I don't want to get too detailed but Walsh was certainly getting too big for his boots over the last 12 months, relations had been strained for longer, since the last Olympics. I personally feel there are plenty who can keep up what he did with ease. The talent is there and he didn't create the talent.

please explain the too big for his boots bit, thanks f

Joe_ Public · 24-10-2015 02:37PM

flutered wrote: »

please explain the too big for his boots bit, thanks f

I presume it means Billy always been in the newspapers, like God forbid Irish amateur boxing getting coverage in the media. The less of that the better. Wasn't like that back in our day, you know!

Strazdas · 24-10-2015 02:54PM

flutered wrote: »

please explain the too big for his boots bit, thanks f

Walsh has said himself he wanted more powers and independence to make decisions. In the minds of Carruth, Christle & Co, that may well equal him 'getting too big for his boots'.

seadnamac · 24-10-2015 02:56PM

The idea that somebody doing a job that he wasn't getting paid appropriately for or even afforded the actual job title itself could possibly get "too big for his boots" tells me all I need to know about the attitude of the IABA. They begrudge the Unit, and Walsh in particular, for the fact that most of our success is attributed to them. I wouldn't be surprised if they considered the concept of High Performance to be a load of nonsense, kind of like what you see in other sports in some people's opinions of the use of things like statistics/analytics and sports science. If that is the case, I would be worried about what kind of system they will put in place now that Walsh (and before him, Keegan) is gone.

supermans ghost · 24-10-2015 03:08PM

mikerobertson wrote: »

My dad works in the iaba. I don't want to get too detailed but Walsh was certainly getting too big for his boots over the last 12 months, relations had been strained for longer, since the last Olympics. I personally feel there are plenty who can keep up what he did with ease. The talent is there and he didn't create the talent.

Is your father Fergal Carruth by any chance?

First he sends out his brother to do his bidding on national radio, so I wouldn't be surprised if he sent out one of his children to do likewise on an internet forum.
He and Joe Christle are the definition of gombeens and worms of the lowest order. (actually that's insulting to all worms)

My two cents worth is that Joe and Fergal were extremely jealous of the success that Billy had with the high performance unit and the final straw was when Billy was going to receive the merited status and renumeration package to go with this success, so Fergal couldn't have one of his minions making more money than him, so they formed a little cabal to force his eventual resignation. Fergal and Joe's ego's are more important than the success of Irish boxing on an international stage after all.

haveringchick · 24-10-2015 03:18PM

supermans ghost wrote: »

Is your father Fergal Carruth by any chance?

First he sends out his brother to do his bidding on national radio, so I wouldn't be surprised if he sent out one of his children to do likewise on an internet forum.
He and Joe Christle are the definition of gombeens and worms of the lowest order. (actually that's insulting to all worms)

My two cents worth is that Joe and Fergal were extremely jealous of the success that Billy had with the high performance unit and the final straw was when Billy was going to receive the merited status and renumeration package to go with this success, so Fergal couldn't have one of his minions making more money than him, so they formed a little cabal to force his eventual resignation. Fergal and Joe's ego's are more important than the success of Irish boxing on an international stage after all.

This is exactly what happened. Carruth in particular thought Billy Walshe was getting "above himself " ( too big for his boots) and being the worst type of Irish upstart (Carruth) he decided to show Walshe who is top dog around here and pushed him out.
Cos it's not about what's best for boxing you know, it's about Fearghal Carruth being top dog.

walshb · 24-10-2015 03:34PM

supermans ghost wrote: »

Is your father Fergal Carruth by any chance?

First he sends out his brother to do his bidding on national radio, so I wouldn't be surprised if he sent out one of his children to do likewise on an internet forum.
He and Joe Christle are the definition of gombeens and worms of the lowest order. (actually that's insulting to all worms)

My two cents worth is that Joe and Fergal were extremely jealous of the success that Billy had with the high performance unit and the final straw was when Billy was going to receive the merited status and renumeration package to go with this success, so Fergal couldn't have one of his minions making more money than him, so they formed a little cabal to force his eventual resignation. Fergal and Joe's ego's are more important than the success of Irish boxing on an international stage after all.

Do you have some sort of personal beef with some members of the IABA? I have reported this post. Plenty of civil and respectable debating going on here. Your contribution needs to reflect that.

Tiredout · 24-10-2015 03:41PM

I think it's very clear now that tax payer money in the form of funding should be pulled from the IABA until the board resigns.

supermans ghost · 24-10-2015 03:48PM

walshb wrote: »

Do you have some sort of personal beef with some members of the IABA? I have reported this post. Plenty of civil and respectable debating going on here. Your contribution needs to reflect that.

Bite me, I'm shakin in my boots.

Didn't i already school you once, by actually hanging up on you. (did you not get that)

fwiw -I have no connection to either Billy Walsh or the IABA, but i can tell when someone is getting a raw deal.

Ctrl Alt Delete · 24-10-2015 04:04PM

mikerobertson wrote: »

. I personally feel there are plenty who can keep up what he did with ease. The talent is there and he didn't create the talent.

Yep its totally easy to do what he done thats why a country and NGB of USA Boxing with a 56 state wide committee sought out a man from another country. Your da sounds exactly the kind of fool who brings personal beefs into professional ones.

Strazdas wrote: »

http://www.independent.ie/sport/other-sports/boxing/breaking-the-iaba-clearly-didnt-want-me-and-went-out-of-their-way-to-undermine-me-billy-walsh-34137974.html

He makes the allegation that (in his opinion) everything the IABA did between August and October was done with the intention of forcing him out of Irish boxing for good and to move to the USA ie. that they actively wanted him to resign his post and be rid of him forever.

The only one don't seem to be of this opinion is the IABA themselves from my reading of what all the stakeholders have been saying.

Tiredout wrote: »

I think it's very clear now that tax payer money in the form of funding should be pulled from the IABA until the board resigns.

While publicly no funding will be "pulled" you can be rest assured that the IABA will feel this in their funding pockets and rightly so.

Tiriel · 24-10-2015 04:28PM

Last warning on thread before infractions will be applied to any poster who posts abusive content about anyone, be it the IABA, individuals in any organization or another poster. There are new posters in here who are obviously unaware of the rules of boards .ie and I would recommend you familiarise yourselves before posting in your current style again. Or don't post, your choice.

Strazdas · 24-10-2015 04:44PM

Tiredout wrote: »

I think it's very clear now that tax payer money in the form of funding should be pulled from the IABA until the board resigns.

Many people have actually suggested this in the comments sections under articles and on social media. There may well be a strong case for it. What Vincent Hogan outlined in the Indo today is bordering on a scandal.

walshb · 24-10-2015 04:48PM

Strazdas wrote: »

Walsh has said himself he wanted more powers and independence to make decisions. In the minds of Carruth, Christle & Co, that may well equal him 'getting too big for his boots'.

And to have that view is not at all odd. IF Billy was asking for more authority and power and say, that doesn't mean he should have gotten it. Whether or not he was not being given adequate power and respect is open to interpretation, depending on who you believe.

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