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Belmond Grand Hibernian

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    #32
    Captain Chaos
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    They took one of the 201s off before Dundalk, around Newry or Lisburn. It never made it to the IE network double headded.

    208 did haul 209 north when it was delivered or was it the other way round, anyway it was not double headding as only the lead loco was powered.


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    #33
    GM228
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    Captain Chaos wrote: »
    They took one of the 201s off before Dundalk, around Newry or Lisburn. It never made it to the IE network double headded.

    208 did haul 209 north when it was delivered or was it the other way round, anyway it was not double headding as only the lead loco was powered.[/quote

    I think it was Lisburn where one of the 201s was removed, also there was an IE 071/NIR 111 double headed railtour on NIR metals aswell, special permission was granted for this by NIR but IE would not allow it although special permission was granted for the 208/209 run to Belfast when they were delivered.

    Double heading of 071s/201s on the Cork and Belfast lines for normal running was only permitted about 4 years ago and is yet to happen and most likely won't unless on a tour, the two 071s to Cork last year technically dosn't count as one was dead, however it woild not have happened prior to the double heading being allowed.

    GM228


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    #34
    goingnowhere
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    If you want to double head the entire train will need to use the buckeye couplers as 2 201's will pull a screw coupling apart if you do a full power start 600kN+ tractive (*2 071 gets about 540kN) effort vs 360kN UIC design spec for a screw coupling


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    #35
    Captain Chaos
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    goingnowhere wrote: »
    If you want to double head the entire train will need to use the buckeye couplers as 2 201's will pull a screw coupling apart if you do a full power start 600kN+ tractive (*2 071 gets about 540kN) effort vs 360kN UIC design spec for a screw coupling

    I believe that actually happened to some if not all of the Cravens on that leg of the rail tour with the 2x 201s. While the couplers did not fail completely they were damaged.


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    #36
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    Captain Chaos wrote: »
    I believe that actually happened to some if not all of the Cravens on that leg of the rail tour with the 2x 201s. While the couplers did not fail completely they were damaged.
    Apparently this was the case.

    I heard that when 800 was being transferred up to Cultra, they had to put flat wagons on the train so 800 and the hauling loco wouldn't be on the Boyne viaduct at the same time. Long time ago now though.


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    #37
    GM228
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    A Number of the Belmond Mk3s are nearing completion in Kilmarnock and are re-painted into the Belmond blue livery as per the Wanderers previous photo of the EGV complete with light grey roof.

    A few more months should see blue Mk3s returning!

    GM228


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    #38
    Cookie_Monster
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    photaes

    https://chrisplayfair.smugmug.com/Travel/2015-Photos/Ireland-September-2015/51701791_JN9gQZ#!i=4320219177&k=K7TmbQH


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    #39
    Del.Monte
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    How is it Belmond are able to refurbish these carriages - presumably with at least a 25/30 year lifespan in mind - and CIE couldn't get rid of them fast enough.

    ****



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    #40
    end of the road
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    Del.Monte wrote: »
    How is it Belmond are able to refurbish these carriages - presumably with at least a 25/30 year lifespan in mind - and CIE couldn't get rid of them fast enough.

    because. they needed an overspecked overpriced refurbishment.

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #41
    Captain Chaos
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    Del.Monte wrote: »
    How is it Belmond are able to refurbish these carriages - presumably with at least a 25/30 year lifespan in mind - and CIE couldn't get rid of them fast enough.

    Because IE don't want to run loco hauled trains anymore unless they have to. Hence only the premium services are loco hauled.


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    #42
    end of the road
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    Captain Chaos wrote: »
    Because IE don't want to run loco hauled trains anymore unless they have to. Hence only the premium services are loco hauled.

    i'd go further and say. even when they have to, they don't want to. so they do it as little as they can get away with. belfast, and grudgingly some cork services. never mind though, we can enjoy an under capacity railway for the next 10-15 years (its probably all the 22k sets will last but we'l wait and see)

    ticking a box on a form does not make you of a religion.



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    #43
    savagethegoat
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    the push-pull trains don't really count as proper loco hauled.


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    #44
    Cookie_Monster
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    savagethegoat wrote: »
    the push-pull trains don't really count as proper loco hauled.

    why not?


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    #45
    roundymac
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    savagethegoat wrote: »
    the push-pull trains don't really count as proper loco hauled.
    When they are being hauled,ie; loco at the front then they are proper loco hauled. As the Meercat says, simplies:P


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    #46
    metrovick001
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    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FnWhXWbTt9E


    Here's one of them there fake trains :) !


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    #47
    GM228
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    First view of 7104 as the new observation car.

    http://www.wnxx.com/15/1510/201015/7104.htm

    Returning soon to Belfast apparently.

    GM228


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    #48
    ClovenHoof
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    GM228 wrote: »
    First view of 7104 as the new observation car.

    http://www.wnxx.com/15/1510/201015/7104.htm

    Returning soon to Belfast apparently.

    GM228



    wow! That looks fantastic! Imagine going around Bray Head in that.


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    #49
    Captain Chaos
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    ClovenHoof wrote: »
    wow! That looks fantastic! Imagine going around Bray Head in that.

    Great if it's at the rear of the train at the time, if the rake is being hauled by that end then you will get a great close up of the loco.

    I'm sure there is more detailing to be applied livery wise before it's fully finished.


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    #50
    savagethegoat
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    It doesn't look great, what are you on about? It looks like a butchered Mk3 and badly done at that!


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    #51
    Seanmk1
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    savagethegoat wrote: »
    It doesn't look great, what are you on about? It looks like a butchered Mk3 and badly done at that!

    How will this fit with the requirement for yellow ends? Will one be added later?


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    #52
    savagethegoat
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    you don't need yellow at the back ...and there will be a loco in front of it when it's at the front


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    #53
    LXFlyer
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    savagethegoat wrote: »
    It doesn't look great, what are you on about? It looks like a butchered Mk3 and badly done at that!



    At least wait and see what the final product looks like - it's a bit early to judge yet.


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    #54
    Captain Chaos
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    lxflyer wrote: »
    At least wait and see what the final product looks like - it's a bit early to judge yet.

    It's finished externally except for detail livery works, the shape is what it is.

    With the long term plan of having the set top and tailed I personally don't see the point of an observation coach in this style.

    It does look like a modelers kit bash job though.


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    #55
    GM228
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    savagethegoat wrote: »
    It doesn't look great, what are you on about? It looks like a butchered Mk3 and badly done at that!

    Does it really matter what it looks like on the outside? It's designed for people to look out of, not to be looked at at the end of the day.

    I'd imagine that they were limited in what they could actually do with it without compromising the structure.

    GM228


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    #56
    GM228
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    ClovenHoof wrote: »
    wow! That looks fantastic! Imagine going around Bray Head in that.

    Unfortunately it won't be on the Rosslare line anytime soon unless the tour itinerary changes for the 2018 season as 2016/2017 seasons are finalised.

    GM228


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    #57
    savagethegoat
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    lxflyer wrote: »
    At least wait and see what the final product looks like - it's a bit early to judge yet.

    Tell clovenhoof that!


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    #58
    savagethegoat
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    GM228 wrote: »
    Does it really matter what it looks like on the outside? It's designed for people to look out of, not to be looked at at the end of the day.

    I'd imagine that they were limited in what they could actually do with it without compromising the structure.

    GM228

    It doesn't matter what it looks like but it does not look "fantastic"


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    #59
    Grandeeod
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    savagethegoat wrote: »
    It doesn't matter what it looks like but it does not look "fantastic"

    It does look fantastic when you consider its former state and what could have happened to it.

    It may be a "butchered" MK3, but who are you to say its badly done? This is a real deal commercial enterprise, not a model railway in your attic.


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    #60
    savagethegoat
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    well just look at the line of rivets across where the corridor connection was. Not pretty is it.


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    #61
    Cookie_Monster
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    lxflyer wrote: »
    At least wait and see what the final product looks like - it's a bit early to judge yet.

    well unless they plan on extending the windows and chopping roof panels like the Swiss Glacier Express cars it's a bit of an embarrassment as an observation carriage...

    it's fugly and provides very limited additional window space and interior space for observation for more than a couple of passengers at a time.


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