Residents object to temporary halting site

Barry Badrinath · 18-10-2015 12:22PM

end of the road wrote: »

The residents of Rockville are not one bit brave for blocking the council from legally using one of its sites, and they must be reminded of this by our media. their quality of life no longer matters now as they have shown they cannot be trusted to behave and use the proper channels. the council should use whatever powers they have to use this site and refuse to engage with anyone involved in the blockade.

Cheesus H Christie!

end of the road · 18-10-2015 12:28PM

gandalf wrote: »

The residents are acting like this because they know that once the people set foot on this site they won't be moving out.

the residents are acting this way for attention, because its travelers moving in, and for nimby reasons.

gandalf wrote: »

based on their experience with "temporary" halting sites it could be years before this one is actually cleared.

thats just life. as they have blocked the council from using its site legally, the council should no longer engage or listen to them.

gandalf wrote: »

No it's time for the travelling community to grow up and stop expecting others to resolve THEIR OWN ISSUES!

no its time for the country to grow up as a whole and stop using issues to bash a whole group of people when they wouldn't dare do it to other groups with issues.

gandalf wrote: »

Why there is no positives in doing so.

well there must be if they continue to get it

gandalf wrote: »

Travellers organisations got funding of €140 million in 2008. That money would have been better utilised by the Gardai funding the tackling of traveller related crime.

maybe but it was obviously put to good use hence they got that much.

gandalf wrote: »

No they don't, as per this example in Carrickmines they get preferential treatment over everyone else.

yes they do, they don't get special treatment. this was an exceptional circumstance

gandalf wrote: »

Not only do they get access to the normal emergency accommodation mechanisms they will get special temporary housing built for them while their new accommodation is being built.

thats simply the way with those who are of the nomadic traditions. its nothing tbh. such traditions will die eventually so there is no issue accommodating them until such time as they do so.

Azalea · 18-10-2015 12:30PM

end of the road wrote: »

its time for the country to grow up as a whole and stop using issues to bash a whole group of people when they wouldn't dare do it to other groups with issues.

'Course they would. Where is this "They'd do this thing but they wouldn't do that thing" coming from of late? Oh yeah, it's just made up because it's convenient.

Spanish Eyes · 18-10-2015 12:35PM

end of the road wrote: »

The residents of Rockville are not one bit brave for blocking the council from legally using one of its sites, and they must be reminded of this by our media. their quality of life no longer matters now as they have shown they cannot be trusted to behave and use the proper channels. the council should use whatever powers they have to use this site and refuse to engage with anyone involved in the blockade.

I know the Rugby match is on and all that, but you must have hit the sauce early there my dear!

gandalf · 18-10-2015 12:43PM

end of the road wrote: »

the residents are acting this way for attention, because its travelers moving in, and for nimby reasons.

No they are acting based on their experience with halting site based travellers locally and from contributors experiences here and as recorded in numerous new outlets it is not a unique experience.

These sites ferment anti-social behaviour, criminal activity and abuse of the environment. Of course these residents are absolutely correct to object from bringing this risk into their cul-de-sac.

thats just life. as they have blocked the council from using its site legally, the council should no longer engage or listen to them.

If the council try and force this through they will be opening a far bigger can of worms.

no its time for the country to grow up as a whole and stop using issues to bash a whole group of people when they wouldn't dare do it to other groups with issues.

No the Traveller Community need to take steps to deal with the issues highlighted! It is totally on message to try and blame everybody else and not take responsibility for their own issues.

well there must be if they continue to get it

Based on our experience I highly doubt it. In this country once the quango is up and running the tap seems to run no matter what the deliverables are.

maybe but it was obviously put to good use hence they got that much.

Again I doubt it very much.

yes they do, they don't get special treatment. this was an exceptional circumstance

Yes they are getting special treatment. Providing special accommodation is proof of this. They want equality, better equality than the rest of us.

thats simply the way with those who are of the nomadic traditions. its nothing tbh. such traditions will die eventually so there is no issue accommodating them until such time as they do so.

This tradition is no longer compatible with society today. It is also cheating it's members of good eduction, job prospects, it fosters criminality and lack of respect for the wider community and environment.

As a society there is no way we should be promoting this way of life. The time has come to re-evaluate and amend the way we fund this so called traveller accommodation.

icebergiceberg · 18-10-2015 12:54PM

end of the road wrote: »

you can take it whatever way you like, but you have nothing to back it up. and its not relevant.

It was a direct question but you did not give a direct answer.

Why not answer?

18-10-2015 01:05PM

end of the road wrote: »

yes they do, they don't get special treatment. this was an exceptional circumstances.

I presume the travellers are at present in emergency accommodation?
The council are sorting out an empty halting site to move them into.

So why do they need to move them into a field & out of emergency accommodation?

mucksavage1985 · 18-10-2015 01:14PM

Oh but I do live close to them. I have cctv footage of them being up to no good b@stards. We are thinking of selling our house over the c.nts. They are terrorising the place. And the gardai can do f.ck all about it. When the law will not protect you it's a sad situation. It really is. U probably don't realise what it is to be a victim of burglary. It eats away at you. I'm young and it is constantly on my mind. I have the evidence to show it was the travellers doing the break ins. I showed the gardai but they said they needed to show the footage to the travellers so that they could explain themselves. Now if I was to allow that, I couldn't even go for a walk as they would know where the footage came from. I would probably be bet up or worse. Now is that fair for me to feel like that? The gardai agreed with me when I explained that to them. The law is grand when you are someway disconnected with the perpetrators. But when u live beside that animals that's a whole new ball game. I'm young but imagine being elderly. it's an awfull situation for the people in Rockville estate. I hope for their sake they do not back down.

quote="end of the road;97415642"]same happens in the settled community

travelers get fined for burning illegally, and are jailed if they don't pay. no different to the rest of us. plenty of bonfires lit in the settled community at certain parts of the year, or more.

like fly tippers from the settled community.

again, you will find that with a number of individuals from various walks of life

like the average busy body so

i hope the residents get a choice of unblock the site or anything possible will be used to move them. they have lost any right to object once they blocked a council site behaving like thugs. we have a system to object to any plans of the council.

just a bunch of stuff written with nothing to back it up. i'd say you don't live near one at all but who knows[/quote]

gizmo555 · 18-10-2015 01:16PM

end of the road wrote: »

such traditions will die eventually so there is no issue accommodating them until such time as they do so.

There is no sign of them doing so, the opposite is the case. And if Traveller advocacy groups achieve their aim of having Travellers formally recognised as a distinct ethnic group, this will copperfasten their continuance in perpetuity.

brooke 2 · 18-10-2015 01:23PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I commend the residents of Rockville. They have opened up a debate at the very least.

Unfortunately it would seem that no media outlet and so called "commentariat" have once said that they agree with the residents of Rockville. Nimbys lecturing the residents and the wider settled community that they are prejudiced and Nimbys themselves!

Seems a bit one sided to me. The residents of Rockville are very brave and are to be commended for wanting to preserve their quality of life in the face of extreme negativity from those who would never have a halting site anywhere near them.

Michael Fitzmaurice, Ind. from Roscommon, was the only public figure to say it like it is, on the Marian Finucane show today. Iirc, he said if you asked people if they would like a halting site
beside them, 99% would say "no". That is the reality of the situation.

Bebopclown · 18-10-2015 02:01PM

mucksavage1985 wrote: »

Oh but I do live close to them. I have cctv footage of them being up to no good bastards. We are thinking of selling our house over the c.nts. They are terrorising the place. And the gardai can do f.ck all about it. When the law will not protect you it's a sad situation. It really is. U probably don't realise what it is to be a victim of burglary. It eats away at you. I'm young and it is constantly on my mind. I have the evidence to show it was the travellers doing the break ins. I showed the gardai but they said they needed to show the footage to the travellers so that they could explain themselves. Now if I was to allow that, I couldn't even go for a walk as they would know where the footage came from. I would probably be bet up or worse. Now is that fair for me to feel like that? The gardai agreed with me when I explained that to them. The law is grand when you are someway disconnected with the perpetrators. But when u live beside that animals that's a whole new ball game. I'm young but imagine being elderly. it's an awfull situation for the people in Rockville estate. I hope for their sake they do not back down.

This is the type of **** I had to put up with, I don't understand how they are allowed to get away with this behaviour. It really makes me furious.

whatismyname · 18-10-2015 02:06PM

mucksavage1985 wrote: »

Oh but I do live close to them. I have cctv footage of them being up to no good b@stards.

Just to clarify - 'they' and 'them' you refer to being these 15 people?

sorta_happy · 18-10-2015 02:16PM

this is directed at muck savage

im not doubting you but i sincerely hope you temper your language in future

if ethnic minority status is granted to travelers , it will become a crime to criticise traveler culture , labour are pushing for this hard , senator higgins wants a clampdown on social media opinion so threads like this or public comment on newspaper sites could be a thing of the past when it comes to traveler culture

kitty holland wrote a few interesting articles in the irish times this week , she wants to see a body formed to deal with traveler accomodation which has the power to over ride local authority , effectively she wants democracy to be curbed when it comes to dealing with travelers needs , deputy o riordain was on the radio today and yesterday , using extremely strong language in relation to the residents , comparing them to white people in alabama fifty years ago

like i said , if travelers are granted ethnic minority status , a very great deal will change

worth thinking about

sorta_happy · 18-10-2015 02:19PM

brooke 2 wrote: »

Michael Fitzmaurice, Ind. from Roscommon, was the only public figure to say it like it is, on the Marian Finucane show today. Iirc, he said if you asked people if they would like a halting site
beside them, 99% would say "no". That is the reality of the situation.

fitzmaurice is not in thrall to the rte or irish times culture or sensibility when it comes to discussing matters like travelers

im surprised he said what he said , he is either naive or too honest for his own good , he could face the wrath of the kitty hollands of this world in the coming days , lucky for him , his constituents are in roscommon rather than sandyford so the outage is likely to be limited

Bebopclown · 18-10-2015 02:19PM

whatismyname wrote: »

Just to clarify - 'they' and 'them' you refer to being these 15 people?

The people I'm referring to is a majority of those 15 people, maybe not all of them but diffenatly a majority of them.

mucksavage1985 · 18-10-2015 02:20PM

No these are different travellers but in my book they are all the same. I cannot trust them. You see the family living in the halting site might not be bad but it's the crew they bring around the place: I.e the boss that's wants to buy a horse or caravan. Oh next thing I'm being called a bigot and racist. I can't help the feeling of living in fear. Sorry but that's the way I feel. Waking up at night wondering what's that noise. Anyone who comments on here who lives in a place where they are not close to a halting site cannot even comment on how I feel or those residents in Rockville. Not even close. In fact I would rather be in negative equity than be in our current situation.

whatismyname wrote: »

Just to clarify - 'they' and 'them' you refer to being these 15 people?

icebergiceberg · 18-10-2015 02:21PM

whatismyname wrote: »

Just to clarify - 'they' and 'them' you refer to being these 15 people?

I have been confused for quite some time about this matter. In the immediate aftermath of the fire many people, presumably locals, were saying on TV the site was well maintained and the people were fine etc etc.

Then the resettlement issue.

Was the site in fact well maintained and were the travellers themselves not an issue at all, as implied by the initial reports? Or was there an issue of criminality connected with the site and its residents because that is not what any report that I saw suggested?

This may be one of the reasons why some residents object. Can anyone clarify?

JustTheOne · 18-10-2015 02:22PM

Anyone genuinely know if cab or revenue have ever investigated the earnings of some travellers?

Revenue are so strict when it comes to non travellers people. I would like to think its the same.

whatismyname · 18-10-2015 02:23PM

icebergiceberg wrote: »

I have been confused for quite some time about this matter. In the immediate aftermath of the fire many people, presumably locals, were saying on TV the site was well maintained and the people were fine etc etc.

Then the resettlement issue.

Was the site in fact well maintained and were the travellers themselves not an issue at all, as implied by the initial reports? Or was there an issue of criminality connected with the site and its residents because that is not what any report that I saw suggested?

This may be one of the reasons why some residents object. Can anyone clarify?

Yep.

They're apparently 'all the same' though, so that's ok

mucksavage1985 · 18-10-2015 02:25PM

Listen, the media only report a certain amount. The local people know the ins and outs of what was going on. Paper never refuses ink. It has been very quiet on what actually caused the fire. by the way have a look at the site on Google maps. The state of it. The race track out the back. The residents are not protesting without good reason!!

icebergiceberg wrote: »

I have been confused for quite some time about this matter. In the immediate aftermath of the fire many people, presumably locals, were saying on TV the site was well maintained and the people were fine etc etc.

Then the resettlement issue.

Was the site in fact well maintained and were the travellers themselves not an issue at all, as implied by the initial reports? Or was there an issue of criminality connected with the site and its residents because that is not what any report that I saw suggested?

This may be one of the reasons why some residents object. Can anyone clarify?

sorta_happy · 18-10-2015 02:27PM

mucksavage1985 wrote: »

No these are different travellers but in my book they are all the same. I cannot trust them. You see the family living in the halting site might not be bad but it's the crew they bring around the place: I.e the boss that's wants to buy a horse or caravan. Oh next thing I'm being called a bigot and racist. I can't help the feeling of living in fear. Sorry but that's the way I feel. Waking up at night wondering what's that noise. Anyone who comments on here who lives in a place where they are not close to a halting site cannot even comment on how I feel or those residents in Rockville. Not even close. In fact I would rather be in negative equity than be in our current situation.

your being called a bigot and a racist now , im saying that eventually you may find yourself before a judge , being prosecuted for a hate crime against a protected minority

im saying you need to be careful , no different than the campaign which began after savita died in hospital three years ago , the campaign for traveler minority status has begun in earnest this past week , hence why the media has been universally on message in their condemnation and demonisation of the carrickmines residents

minister aidan o riordain compared them to people from alabama circa 1963 on the news at one today

sorta_happy · 18-10-2015 02:30PM

mucksavage1985 wrote: »

Listen, the media only report a certain amount. The local people know the ins and outs of what was going on. Paper never refuses ink. It has been very quiet on what actually caused the fire. by the way have a look at the site on Google maps. The state of it. The race track out the back. The residents are not protesting without good reason!!

when it comes to traveler crime and anti social behaviour , the media reports a fraction of it

brooke 2 · 18-10-2015 02:31PM

sorta_happy wrote: »

fitzmaurice is not in thrall to the rte or irish times culture or sensibility when it comes to discussing matters like travelers

im surprised he said what he said , he is either naive or too honest for his own good , he could face the wrath of the kitty hollands of this world in the coming days , lucky for him , his constituents are in roscommon rather than sandyford so the outage is likely to be limited

Bearing in mind what happened to the Corcoran
Family in Tipperary, and the massive turnout at
the recent meeting there to discuss rural crime, I
imagine his opinion was based on the experiences of many of his own rural constituents. I even heard the RTE journalist, who was reporting to Drivetime about the Tipperary meeting, almost apologetically tell Mary Wilson that feelings against the traveller community was very strong, as they were the perpetrators of most of the crimes, in the opinion of the majority.

mucksavage1985 · 18-10-2015 02:32PM

Is living in fear a crime?

sorta_happy wrote: »

your being called a bigot and a racist now , im saying that eventually you may find yourself before a judge , being prosecuted for a hate crime against a protected minority

im saying you need to be careful , no different than the campaign which began after savita died in hospital three years ago , the campaign for traveler minority status has begun in earnest this past week , hence why the media has been universally on message in their condemnation and demonisation of the carrickmines residents

minister aidan o riordain compared them to people from alabama circa 1963 on the news at one today

sorta_happy · 18-10-2015 02:34PM

brooke 2 wrote: »

Bearing in mind what happened to the Corcoran
Family in Tipperary, and the massive turnout at
the recent meeting there to discuss rural crime, I
imagine his opinion was based on the experiences of many of his own rural constituents. I even heard the RTE journalist, who was reporting to Drivetime about the Tipperary meeting, almost apologetically tell Mary Wilson that feelings against the traveller community was very strong, as they were the perpetrators of most of the crimes, in the opinion of the majority.

RTE is ran by PC idealogues , as is the irish times

if people thought RTE lacked balance in the run up to the marriage equality referendum , it wont be a patch on the whitewash job we get when the campaign for traveler ethnic minority status begins proper

the population as being softened up via the carrickmines residents issue , the potrayal of those residents by the media would make goebells proud

mucksavage1985 · 18-10-2015 02:37PM

a big problem too is the unregulated system of door to door selling. A lot of travellers call around selling tools ( most likely stolen) turf and cutlery sets. There should be a registration system for this. An official ID systems put into place also. This ID should Have a barcode that can be scanned in an app that would say whether the person was legit or not. If this is not used it should be classed as illegal! It would stop a lot of opportunistic thieves.

quote="brooke 2;97418854"]Bearing in mind

what happened to the Corcoran
Family in Tipperary, and the massive turnout at
the recent meeting there to discuss rural crime, I
imagine his opinion was based on the experiences of many of his own rural constituents. I even heard the RTE journalist, who was reporting to Drivetime about the Tipperary meeting, almost apologetically tell Mary Wilson that feelings against the traveller community was very strong, as they were the perpetrators of most of the crimes, in the opinion of the majority.[/quote]

icebergiceberg · 18-10-2015 02:40PM

whatismyname wrote: »

Yep.

They're apparently 'all the same' though, so that's ok

Yep? Yep to what? Your response is not clear to me.

Yep to the site and travellers in it are fine and grand?

or

Yep to site and travellers in it are not fine ie there is a criminality element involved?

What exactly do you know of the site and the travellers there?

whatismyname · 18-10-2015 02:43PM

icebergiceberg wrote: »

Yep? Yep to what? Your response is not clear to me.

Yep to the site and travellers in it are fine and grand?

or

Yep to site and travellers in it are not fine ie there is a criminality element involved?

What exactly do you know of the site and the travellers there?

Yep, as in I agreed and empathised with you having these questions. Nothing more. I clearly made no attempt to answer said questions, or I would have actually done so.

sorta_happy · 18-10-2015 02:43PM

mucksavage1985 wrote: »

Is living in fear a crime?

i did not say it was

im saying that those who wish to see travelers given ethnic minority status , will criminalise critcisim of traveler culture if that drive is realised

by labeling those who ask hard questions of traveler culture as racists , they are effectively pre empting that travelers will eventually be classed as a protected ethnic minority

do you not listen to the tone of the commentary from the labour party , the irish times , vincent browne

its soviet style censorship , talk of re-educating people , desire to over local goverment and the law when it comes to travelers , its not like they are hiding it

mucksavage1985 · 18-10-2015 02:48PM

If a traveller or other sc.mbag enters my home without my permission and I fear for my life I will make them wish they had stayed in school and got a proper education. Whether ethnic or whatever they want to be.

sorta_happy wrote: »

i did not say it was

im saying that those who wish to see travelers given ethnic minority status , will criminalise critcisim of traveler culture if that drive is realised

by labeling those who ask hard questions of traveler culture as racists , they are effectively pre empting that travelers will eventually be classed as a protected ethnic minority

do you not listen to the tone of the commentary from the labour party , the irish times , vincent browne

its soviet style censorship , talk of re-educating people , desire to over local goverment and the law when it comes to travelers , its not like they are hiding it

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