Klitschko is the pound for pound best boxer in the world

Rigo has done next to nothing to be so high on that list. Hasn't moved weight, and has one solid win on his ledger. Ridiculous placing. I'd put Lomachenko ahead of him.

Andre 3000 wrote: »

Roman Gonzalez is the real #1. The guy he's fighting on Saturday is better than most pound for pound fighters best win. His win against Sosa is a phenomenal win. And his win against Estrada is remarkable too considering Estrada is a top 10 p4p as well.

I'd agree that Rigo hasn't done a lot recently but Lomachenko has done tap all to even warrant top 20. You cannot count amateur achievements in professional boxing.

Loma at least challenged himself. Fought a seasoned pro in his first fight, giving away a lot of weight in the process. Also fought and beat an excellent Russell.

Andre 3000 wrote: »

I agree but he has achieved not near enough to be ranked P4P. The guy has 5 fights. You cannot be ranked p4p for that imo. If that was the case, Naoya Inoue should be top 5, but again he hasn't even fought 10 fights. Although Loma is one of the best amateurs of all time (arguably the greatest), you cannot consider him for the pro P4P just yet. I have no doubt he'll be there very soon though.

I agree.

sxt wrote: »

And it's about time. Klitschko was a categorically more dominant champ then Mayweather, a boxer who never ducked anybody

http://www.elpasotimes.com/story/sports/2015/10/09/klitschko-assumes-pound--pound-mantle/73653150/

I have him p4p 2 after Chocolatito.

Saying he was a categorically more dominant champ than Mayweather is an embarrassing comment.

walshb wrote: »

No, it's not. Look at their respective records. Wlad faces all comers. Floyd doesn't. I would lend more weight to that. It's subjective. Floyd has had 49 fights in his 18-19 year career. Wlad has had almost 20 more fights against the best HWs on earth. I am not going waste time looking at Floyd's career, but for me his level of opposition over the past few years has been good, nothing approaching great.

Remove the 0 from Floyd and he has nothing to challenge Wlad with as regards career IMO. Yes, won titles at different weights. So what. Wlad is the man at all weights. End of.

Edit: I realize that your comment was in response to the OPs claim.

You're talking absolute rubbish.

For starters, he didn't take on all comers because there was only one other excellent heavyweight in his era and he didn't fight him (excusable as it's his brother) but the fact still remains he didn't take on all comers like you claimed.

Secondly, Wlad got knocked out in two of his title fights against bang average fighters. Sanders who had never won or defended a proper world title before or after and whose best win after Wlad is who?

This is akin to Floyd getting knocked out by a fighter like DeMarcus Corley :pac:

More dominant eh?

Furthermore, how many great fighters did he face? What fighters were ranked p4p when Wlad faced them?...................Oh yeah none.

Now let's see what p4p fighters Floyd faced:
Corrales
Hatton
Marquez
Mosley

Wladimir didn't make it into the top 10 p4p list until 2010, because he was fighting such bang average contenders. Floyd was p4p in 2000, ten years before Wlad despite going pro at the same time.

You say he fought everyone, why didn't he rematch his two losses then? Floyd has one controversial fight and immediately gave him a rematch and beat him convincingly.

Honestly, you're talking absolute shít. I'm putting you on my ignore list now btw. I'm not wasting any more time reading your crap.

magma69 wrote: »

You're talking absolute rubbish.

For starters, he didn't take on all comers because there was only one other excellent heavyweight in his era and he didn't fight him (excusable as it's his brother) but the fact still remains he didn't take on all comers like you claimed.

Secondly, Wlad got knocked out in two of his title fights against bang average fighters. Sanders who had never won or defended a proper world title before or after and whose best win after Wlad is who?

This is akin to Floyd getting knocked out by a fighter like DeMarcus Corley :pac:

More dominant eh?

Furthermore, how many great fighters did he face? What fighters were ranked p4p when Wlad faced them?...................Oh yeah none.

Now let's see what p4p fighters Floyd faced:
Corrales
Hatton
Marquez
Mosley

Wladimir didn't make it into the top 10 p4p list until 2010, because he was fighting such bang average contenders. Floyd was p4p in 2000, ten years before Wlad despite going pro at the same time.

You say he fought everyone, why didn't he rematch his two losses then? Floyd has one controversial fight and immediately gave him a rematch and beat him convincingly.

Honestly, you're talking absolute shít. I'm putting you on my ignore list now btw. I'm not wasting any more time reading your crap.

Have a snickers pal.

Wlad is 1 of the best heavyweights ever, he is so far ahead of his opposition that it makes them look bad when in reality he is just so good, personally i think both are close to even and both get downplayed at times.

Miccoli wrote: »

De La Hoya , Pacquiao , Cotto and Mosley vs Tony Thompson and David Haye. Add in 3 shocking loses to journeymen. Wlad is a good bit behind mayweather in terms of achievements.

Yeah, a blown up FW Pacman (after poncing around for 6 years avoiding), a shot Mosley, a past it Oscar, who many thought won, and Cotto who?

Simple: Wlad has been the HW champ for years. Beating any man at any weight. He's had many more fights than Floyd, as well as many more wins. Floyd has the 0, that's about it. Calzaghe also had the 0, as have others. Wlad has got to be prepared to face any man on earth. Floyd does not. That on its iwn trumps anything Floyd, or many other lower weight fighters have achieved.

Oh, and if Floyd ever stepped in the ring with Wlad he'd get decimated. Floyd deserved his kudos, but he's just another fighter who was successful in his era.

As for Wlad's losses? Big deal. Ali lost to an 8 fight Spinks. Many greats that more than compare to Floyd have had losses to so called unknown fighters.

Miccoli wrote: »

Obviously he would lose , wlad is about 100 pounds heavier than Floyd they have weight classes for a reason. What would you say is Wlads best victory?

He has had several good victories. As cowzerp mentioned, it's his dominance in making his victims look ordinary that tricks people into thinking that the opposition aren't all that good. His clear win over Povetkin in recent years was impressive.

walshb wrote: »

He has had several good victories. As cowzerp mentioned, it's his dominance in making his victims look ordinary that tricks people into thinking that the opposition aren't all that good. His clear win over Povetkin in recent years was impressive.

Struggles to have a victory that would even get in Floyds top 5. Not his fault but the heavyweight division was an embarrasment for the last 10 years.

walshb wrote: »

oh, and if Floyd ever stepped in the ring with Wlad he'd get decimated. Floyd deserved his kudos, but he's just another fighter who was successful in his era.

For someone who shows so much insight into the sport this is possibly the most retarded statement iv seen on Boards, jesus man.

ASOT wrote: »

For someone who shows so much insight into the sport this is possibly the most retarded statement iv seen on Boards, jesus man.

How so? Are you saying it's untrue? And before you try to dig yourself out of the hole, we know Wlad is bigger and heavier. So what? My sentence is just a simple claim, that's all. That if Floyd got in the ring with Wlad he'd be decimated. Nothing retarded (inappropriate description) with that belief. On the contrary, it makes perfect sense

Not sure why some people start these threads. The OP is a Klitschko maniac. Very rarely posts about any other fighters. Posts a heap of Klitschko loving threads and then fooks off? 0 posts on his own thread......

As regards P4P it depends on your opinion of it. Mine: Wlad is the quintessential p4p number 1. No matter what lbs are put in front of him he crushes. Ward, Kovalev, GGG, Rigo, Cotto, Mayeather, Pacquiao, Thurman, Khan, Povetkin, Fury, Stevenson, Garcia et al. None of them, bar Fury stand a chance.

Miccoli wrote: »

He dominated all of his biggest fights bar De la hoya. Most did very well to even win 3/4 rounds . Also who other than Wlad would you rate over Mayweather?

Through history?

Btw, he did not dominate all fights bar Oscar. I had him losing to JLC in fight 1. And, fight 1 against crude Maidana was far from dominant.