Syria.. The head scratcher

Steve012 · 15-10-2015 06:35PM #1

Hmmm..
Ok, So the CIA train the Free Syrian Army and others, to oust Assad (blaming him for chemical attacks a few years back which he didn't do apparently) many fighters split off to join ISIS.
USA Have been bombing ISIS over a well over a year now, (yes bombs only do so much), They've kept form (ISIS), so not really hammered by the yanks.

Other Arabian countries helped fund ISIS.
Saudi's USA allies.

Putin stands in, Iran sending crack troops and Russia's sending in Spetsnaz, to defeat rebels fighting Assad's army, Iraq has troops there now too. Monitoring systems set up in Baghdad.

Most of us know a bit about this.
So if Russia is fighting USA backed fighters, to keep eh the "monster" Assad in power, and re build the country.

Ok so that's a slap to the United States, what I can't understand is, Why in the name of Jaysus is the UK trying to get involved? To drop aid? lol or to fight who? Or for who the FSA? against Russia and Iran?

Yes proxies are proxies and there's obviously a hell of a lot more to this one. But ?? Does the UK have a pair of b*llox's the size of a large Buffalo now?
More interesting than your Fav soap to watch is this one!
Are the yanks gonna walk away? hmmmm...

major bill · 15-10-2015 06:39PM

It's just a real life Royal Rumble!!!

kneemos · 15-10-2015 06:41PM

End of Syria whatever happens.

Very Bored · 15-10-2015 06:42PM

Who'd have thought that bigger countries sticking their nose in smaller countries' affairs would create a mess? Our usual reliable friend, history, simply doesn't send us enough warning signs.

the evasion_kid · 15-10-2015 06:44PM

Well considering the rumour the US have airdropped 50 tons of munitions to "moderate rebels" in the last few days,things should get interesting....

Steve012 · 15-10-2015 06:44PM

major bill wrote: »

It's just a real life Royal Rumble!!!

Quite a dangerous one I would think Major!!

darkpagandeath · 15-10-2015 06:45PM

Civil war did not work out for them West got blamed after trying to help them.

The Backwards Man · 15-10-2015 06:47PM

If you think that's a headscratcher, your head will explode if you read about the participants in WWI

asherbassad · 15-10-2015 07:03PM

The US also spent $500 million on a program to train fighters. It produced 4 soldiers.
The Russians asked Washington to give details about who its (Washington's) fighters were on the ground after Washington complained that the Russians were bombing ALL anti-government forces. Washington didn't reply.

Then the Russians said "OK, where do you want us NOT to bomb?"

Again Washington didn't reply.

That's not a joke. You couldn't make it up.

Meanwhile the Kurds, Hisbollah and the Quds of Iran are cleaving through ISIS like a freight train through a paper hoop after the Russians decimate their positions and Washington is running around like a headless chicken not knowing what to do because the elements of ISIS that Washington and Qatar and KSA are funding are getting blown to atoms and they can't complain because they are funding the very headchoppers that they are always screaming about.

It's comical.

darkpagandeath · 15-10-2015 07:06PM

asherbassad wrote: »

The US also spent $500 million on a program to train fighters. It produced 4 soldiers.
The Russians asked Washington to give details about who its (Washington's) fighters were on the ground after Washington complained that the Russians were bombing ALL anti-government forces. Washington didn't reply.

Then the Russians said "OK, where do you want us NOT to bomb?"

Again Washington didn't reply.

That's not a joke. You couldn't make it up.

Meanwhile the Kurds, Hisbollah and the Quds of Iran are cleaving through ISIS like a freight train through a paper hoop after the Russians decimate their positions and Washington is running around like a headless chicken not knowing what to do because the elements of ISIS that Washington and Qatar and KSA are funding are getting blown to atoms and they can't complain because they are funding the very headchoppers that they are always screaming about.

It's comical.

Yeah then started sending cruise missiles over heavily trafficked air corridors. One could think they wanted to cause air chaos. Bearing in mind they don't have a great track Record of not hitting passenger jets.

Gatling · 15-10-2015 07:06PM

It's Putin bailing out assad and boosting iran as major players but what Putin needs most is to destabilisation of the whole middle east including Saudi to force up oil prices to save his own stupid decision in invading and the annexation of Crimea which brought financial sanctions

Gatling · 15-10-2015 07:08PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Yeah then started sending cruise missiles over heavily trafficked air corridors. One could think they wanted to cause air chaos. Bearing in mind they don't have a great track Record of not hitting passenger jets.

Sure Assad's a humanitarian

darkpagandeath · 15-10-2015 07:09PM

Gatling wrote: »

Sure Assad's a humanitarian

I think they think causing enough problems in Syria will get the sanctions lifted....

Gatling · 15-10-2015 07:11PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I think they think causing enough problems in Syria will get the sanctions lifted....

That's it with his new super alliance Russia, Iran and Hizbolla they will rule the world and the EU will be so scared they'll lift the sanctions

Nodin · 15-10-2015 07:13PM

Steve012 wrote: »

Hmmm..
Ok, So the CIA train the Free Syrian Army and others, to oust Assad (blaming him for chemical attacks a few years back which he didn't do apparently) many fighters split off to join ISIS.
USA Have been bombing ISIS over a well over a year now, (yes bombs only do so much), They've kept form (ISIS), so not really hammered by the yanks.

Other Arabian countries helped fund ISIS.
Saudi's USA allies.

Putin stands in, Iran sending crack troops and Russia's sending in Spetsnaz, to defeat rebels fighting Assad's army, Iraq has troops there now too. Monitoring systems set up in Baghdad.

Most of us know a bit about this.
So if Russia is fighting USA backed fighters, to keep eh the "monster" Assad in power, and re build the country.

Ok so that's a slap to the United States, what I can't understand is, Why in the name of Jaysus is the UK trying to get involved? To drop aid? lol or to fight who? Or for who the FSA? against Russia and Iran?

Yes proxies are proxies and there's obviously a hell of a lot more to this one. But ?? Does the UK have a pair of b*llox's the size of a large Buffalo now?
More interesting than your Fav soap to watch is this one!
Are the yanks gonna walk away? hmmmm...

Also bear in mind that many who support Assad do so because of the alternative, not out of some great affection. And the fact there is at least 40 different factions/groups on the anti-Assad side, many of whom are hostile to one another and have engaged in fighting amongst themselves. Tis a clusterfuck that only an armchair general using superheroes and alien intervention can solve at the moment.

darkpagandeath · 15-10-2015 07:15PM

Nodin wrote: »

Also bear in mind that many who support Assad do so because of the alternative, not out of some great affection. And the fact there is at least 40 different factions/groups on the anti-Assad side, many of whom are hostile to one another and have engaged in fighting amongst themselves. Tis a clusterfuck that only an armchair general using superheroes and alien intervention can solve at the moment.

Nodin you do have a way with words sometimes, That gave me a good laugh. I take my hat off to that one.

Massimo Cassagrande · 15-10-2015 07:58PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Yeah then started sending cruise missiles over heavily trafficked air corridors. One could think they wanted to cause air chaos. Bearing in mind they don't have a great track Record of not hitting passenger jets.

Their cruise missiles fly at around 50m off the ground. Planes ought to be grand..

BMJD · 15-10-2015 08:07PM

Deposing brutal but stable regimes in Iraq and Libya is going so well, we should consider doing the same to Enda and Joan.

Paramite Pie · 15-10-2015 10:02PM

I honestly think that Russia is more likely to bring stability to the region as much as I hate to say it.

Both the US and Russia have adjectives that have nothing to do with what's best for the Syrian people. But Russia is supporting the Status Quo -- Syria was one of the saner countries in the region, making strides towards secularism before all this began.

I don't know if I really believe that Assad was targeting Christians or other minorities. That narrative has largely been dropped by the Media after the rebels turned out to be doing just that themselves.

darkpagandeath · 15-10-2015 10:04PM

Paramite Pie wrote: »

I honestly think that Russia is more likely to bring stability to the region as much as I hate to say it.

Both the US and Russia have adjectives that have nothing to do with what's best for the Syrian people. But Russia is supporting the Status Quo -- Syria was one of the saner countries in the region, making strides towards secularism before all this began.

I don't know if I really believe that Assad was targeting Christians or other minorities. That narrative has largely been dropped by the Media after the rebels turned out to be doing just that themselves.

Oh like in Afghanistan the first time around ?

Streetwalker · 15-10-2015 10:11PM

It won't end well for any of us. All it takes is a stray missile and before you know it we are on the doorstep of World War 3.

Red King · 15-10-2015 10:26PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Yeah then started sending cruise missiles over heavily trafficked air corridors. One could think they wanted to cause air chaos. Bearing in mind they don't have a great track Record of not hitting passenger jets.

Except they didn't do that. And cruise missiles don't operate at the same altitude as passanger airlines. They passed over remote parts of Iran and Iraq and for the record the last Iranian airliner shot to be shot down was hit by an American missile. Nearly 300 innocent people killed.

Gatling wrote: »

It's Putin bailing out assad and boosting iran as major players but what Putin needs most is to destabilisation of the whole middle east including Saudi to force up oil prices to save his own stupid decision in invading and the annexation of Crimea which brought financial sanctions

The Middle East is already destabilised in case you haven't noticed. Even more so since the advent of American foreign policy post 9/11

smurgen · 15-10-2015 10:30PM

Hilarious how the pro American side will swear blind that russia is bombing anyone but isis yet isis have vowed jihad against russia because it's taking casualties.

FalconGirl · 15-10-2015 10:47PM

US has essentially destabilised the whole ME in the last decade or so and caused a massive security threat to Europe. What are their intentions one has to wonder. Surely if they could role back the clock they would do it all differently?

mbur · 15-10-2015 10:49PM

smurgen wrote: »

Hilarious how the pro American side will swear blind that russia is bombing anyone but isis yet isis have vowed jihad against russia because it's taking casualties.

And don't forget the trucks and the money IS have in great abundance

FalconGirl · 15-10-2015 11:02PM

mbur wrote: »

And don't forget the trucks and the money IS have in great abundance

I'd well believe it.

jamesbere · 15-10-2015 11:09PM

The whole region is a total mess, I see Iran is flexing it's muscles with videos of ballistic missiles in these underground bases.

Junkyard Tom · 16-10-2015 12:05AM

smurgen wrote: »

the pro American side.

Pro bombing the fuck out of countries thousands of miles from Washington and get aroused by explosions etc rather than pro-American.

Billy86 · 16-10-2015 12:13AM

FalconGirl wrote: »

US has essentially destabilised the whole ME in the last decade or so and caused a massive security threat to Europe. What are their intentions one has to wonder. Surely if they could role back the clock they would do it all differently?

Fuuuuuuuuck no they wouldn't (at least BushCo who got the whole thing into overdrive) and the reason why they wouldn't is exactly the same as their initial intentions.

BlaasForRafa · 16-10-2015 12:34AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Oh like in Afghanistan the first time around ?

The soviets had very much turned the tide on the mujahideen until the CIA got involved. American intervention didn't really help the longterm outcome of that civil war did it?

As for Syria, Assad may be a monster but a lot of muslim countries only seem to function when they have a strong-man dictator at the helm. When the strong-man is weakened then all hell breaks loose. At least with Assad, he's relatively secular and managed the keep the Shia, Alawites and Sunnis from smashing the crap out of each other for years.

Syria may have been a repressive state but alternative which Al Qaeda/Al-Nusra and Daesh represent is far worse and you can bet that if Assad is gone then the Islamists won't be long in getting rid of any secular rebels.

I'm not so much arguing for Assad/Iran/Russia or whatever, but fearing what an Al-Qaeda or Daesh outcome would be like. Whatever way this goes, it's going to be bloody and unpleasant but it's a matter of which could be worse.

Capt'n Midnight · 16-10-2015 12:43AM

This

http://i.imgur.com/cVx5zVS.jpg

“Are you confused by what is going on in the Middle East? Let me explain.

We support the Iraqi government in the fight against Islamic State. We don’t like IS, but IS is supported by Saudi Arabia, whom we do like.

We don’t like President Assad in Syria. We support the fight against him, but not IS, which is also fighting against him.

We don’t like Iran, but Iran supports the Iraqi government against IS. So, some of our friends support our enemies and some of our enemies are our friends, and some of our enemies are fighting against our other enemies, whom we want to lose, but we don’t want our enemies who are fighting our enemies to win.

If the people we want to defeat are defeated they might be replaced by people we like even less. And all this was started by us invading a country to drive out terrorists who weren’t actually there until we went in to drive them out. Do you understand now?”

Syria.. The head scratcher

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