Fire at a halting site in Dublin Mod Warning Post #1

Mr McBoatface · 14-10-2015 04:25PM

efb wrote: »

Gardai don't act on all breaches of the law

True the victims of traveller gangs can vouch for that.

But would Enda back them up if laws where broken ?

The Talking Bread · 14-10-2015 04:26PM

efb wrote: »

You didn't read the definition I said I was male. That's not hearsay. Is that your new word of the day? Pure and simple

no it was your only counter argument earlier when you were dismissing the residents' fairly logical reasons why they dont want the halting site on their doorstep..........

VinLieger · 14-10-2015 04:26PM

Shenshen wrote: »

Ok, this isn't getting much clearer. I'm pretty sure that there are in fact travellers living in perfectly normal houses. Why would their culture object to that?

Sorry cheap joke :P

Yeah depends on the kind of traveler you are dealing with, some dont mind living in houses but others wont touch them for fear of being "settled" they really like their caravans and prefabs for whatever reasons

JustTheOne · 14-10-2015 04:27PM

Shenshen wrote: »

Ok, this isn't getting much clearer. I'm pretty sure that there are in fact travellers living in perfectly normal houses. Why would their culture object to that?

You're not listening.

These travellers were given houses 15 years ago but now they are boarded up because they didn't want them.

Means Of Escape · 14-10-2015 04:28PM

NIMAN wrote: »

Maybe they were hoping that residents wouldn't have the balls to protest in any way, given the deaths and how they would be vilified if they did protest.

But it just shows how strong the residents feel about this, that they are prepared to go against the goodwill of the nation and take a stand.

And the residents are best placed to know what the effects of a halting site, that was down their road ,has had on their community in general over the years and it clearly wasn't positive

brooke 2 · 14-10-2015 04:31PM

Shenshen wrote: »

Ok, this isn't getting much clearer. I'm pretty sure that there are in fact travellers living in perfectly normal houses. Why would their culture object to that?

Their culture was nomadic. Some can't settle in houses. Some try but can't hack it as they miss their extended family and return to caravans. Just heard the traveller actor, Johnny Connors, on with Ray D'Arcy. He once lived in a camp site, then a house and has now returned to a campsite. Missed all the company, I believe.

The Talking Bread · 14-10-2015 04:31PM

efb wrote: »

Oh I was off signing the book of condolences for the family and also the Garda in Louth if I didn't reply quick enough

You are starting to sound like a troll now. No point debating with you. I hope it's resolved and tbh it would be nice if the residents are reassured and allow the TEMPORARY site to go ahead. And if they aren't reassured and still object that is their perogative.

Dan_Solo · 14-10-2015 04:31PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

You're not listening.

These travellers were given houses 15 years ago but now they are boarded up because they didn't want them.

I've seen first hand many of the houses given to travellers. Utterly feckin' destroyed, then boarded up. They like living in a house until it impacts on their ability to move to another part of the country.

Shenshen · 14-10-2015 04:31PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

You're not listening.

These travellers were given houses 15 years ago but now they are boarded up because they didn't want them.

What, the very same families? Sorry, I wasn't aware of that.

gandalf · 14-10-2015 04:33PM

end of the road wrote: »

they protected their property from nothing, blocked a public road. i have no sympathy for them now. any criminal charges that could be brought against them should be

They did protect their properties so far, no site development has occurred yet?

I'd say the council would be very very misguided if they decided to force this through.

My name is URL · 14-10-2015 04:34PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

You're not listening.

These travellers were given houses 15 years ago but now they are boarded up because they didn't want them.

Why are they now boarded up? Are there no non-traveller, currently homeless families that would be happy to live in them?

Means Of Escape wrote: »

And the residents are best placed to know what the effects of a halting site, that was down their road ,has had on their community in general over the years and it clearly wasn't positive

According to the 5 residents that turned up at the protest and meeting with the council. Why does their word or experience outweigh that of all of those who have spoken highly of the families and their being part of the community?

Kids go to school there, are part of sports clubs etc. Why should they be forced out of the community by a minority of residents?

VinLieger · 14-10-2015 04:34PM

Dan_Solo wrote: »

I've seen first hand many of the houses given to travellers. Utterly feckin' destroyed, then boarded up. They like living in a house until it impacts on their ability to move to another part of the country.

This, they dont mind destroying their own caravans as when they are unlivable they just set them on fire (before anyone jumps on it this isnt a comment on the events of sunday) to get rid of them but with the houses they trash them and move on leaving whoever was in charge usually the council to clean up the mess

Means Of Escape · 14-10-2015 04:35PM

efb wrote: »

Some of us aren't obsessed about the value of our house. I'm happy in my home

And happy in the back garden that will have lost most of its light due to the construction of the apartments not to mention the increased noise pollution .
Amazing

Little CuChulainn · 14-10-2015 04:36PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Why are they now boarded up? IS there no non-traveller families that would be happy to live in them?

They've likely been stripped bare.

efb · 14-10-2015 04:37PM

Means Of Escape wrote: »

And happy in the back garden that will have lost most of its light due to the construction of the apartments not to mention the increased noise pollution .
Amazing

Unless the knock the houses behind mine...

The Talking Bread · 14-10-2015 04:37PM

Means Of Escape wrote: »

And happy in the back garden that will have lost most of its light due to the construction of the apartments not to mention the increased noise pollution .
Amazing

33000 posts. Not much time for gardening!

efb · 14-10-2015 04:38PM

VinLieger wrote: »

This, they dont mind destroying their own caravans as when they are unlivable they just set them on fire (before anyone jumps on it this isnt a comment on the events of sunday) to get rid of them but with the houses they trash them and move on leaving whoever was in charge usually the council to clean up the mess

Who are they????

efb · 14-10-2015 04:39PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

33000 posts. Not much time for gardening!

No lawns a few shrubs and weeds, my mother likes to pull the weeds so I let her on. I'd probably pull up flowers!!

VinLieger · 14-10-2015 04:40PM

efb wrote: »

Who are they????

Seen it on several occasions, i remember when I was a kid and the travelers who had been paid to occupy a field off booterstown marsh, to try and encourage planning permission being granted, burnt at least 2 of theirs on purpose

Means Of Escape · 14-10-2015 04:41PM

My name is URL wrote: »

Why are they now boarded up? Are there no non-traveller, currently homeless families that would be happy to live in them?

According to the 5 residents that turned up at the protest and meeting with the council. Why does their word or experience outweigh that of all of those who have spoken highly of the families and their being part of the community?

Kids go to school there, are part of sports clubs etc. Why should they be forced out of the community by a minority of residents?

Because those 5 residents had the balls to protest the rash move that didn't consult them

efb · 14-10-2015 04:41PM

VinLieger wrote: »

Seen it on several occasions, i remember when I was a kid and the travelers who had been paid to occupy a field off booterstown marsh, to try and encourage planning permission being granted, burnt at least 2 of theirs on purpose

Huh???

whisky_galore · 14-10-2015 04:42PM

end of the road wrote: »

they protected their property from nothing, blocked a public road. i have no sympathy for them now. any criminal charges that could be brought against them should be

What criminal charges?
Council tried to pull a fast one on residents by posting them letters and telling them a development was going ahead, with or without their consent. They know full well now they're on the back foot. Think it is naive in the extreme to assume residents were going to take this lying down.

Mr McBoatface · 14-10-2015 04:43PM

efb wrote: »

No lawns a few shrubs and weeds, my mother likes to pull the weeds so I let her on. I'd probably pull up flowers!!

Does you inability to differentiate good from bad extend to other area's of life too ?

VinLieger · 14-10-2015 04:44PM

efb wrote: »

Huh???

I saw travelers on two occasions burning their own caravans, not sure for what reason, they had also incidentally been paid to occupy the site they were on by a developer cus he though it would help him get planning permission as it would give a stronger case to evict them if the site was going to be built on, but that doesn't really have anything to do with the burning caravans story it just was interesting i thought.

efb · 14-10-2015 04:49PM

jobyrne30 wrote: »

Does you inability to differentiate good from bad extend to other area's of life too ?

No but I don't think all weeds are bad cos I got stung by a nettle either!

efb · 14-10-2015 04:49PM

VinLieger wrote: »

I saw travelers on two occasions burning their own caravans, not sure for what reason, they had also incidentally been paid to occupy the site they were on by a developer cus he though it would help him get planning permission as it would give a stronger case to evict them if the site was going to be built on, but that doesn't really have anything to do with the burning caravans story it just was interesting i thought.

How is this relevant???

VinLieger · 14-10-2015 04:54PM

efb wrote: »

How is this relevant???

Its a tangent of someone asking about why they wouldnt accept houses that you kept replying to

:D:D

smash · 14-10-2015 04:55PM

end of the road wrote: »

paying a premium for your house only entitles you to own that house and garden if it has one upon full repayment of that premium. nothing more

You assume the residents have not done this...

end of the road wrote: »

the value of investments can go down as well as up. plenty of property that once was a certain value has gone down, thats life. its a gamble.

You see, this isn't an economic force that's affecting their property values. It's an action being taken by a council who have not applied for planning permission or properly inform residents about the building of accommodation for a certain demographic who will certainly cause a devaluation of the local assets, cause an eyesore with the mess they inevitably bring with them, could potentially cause health and safety hazards, and could potentially bring in unsavoury characters as I've previously stated.

end of the road wrote: »

the residents lost any right to "legitimate" concerns when they blocked a public road

well this is just entirety untrue. It's just your opinion, and it's a daft one!

You seem to be of the opinion that those who have worked hard to create a home and a community should just bend over and accept that what they've worked for shall now be taken from them without a fight.

Means Of Escape · 14-10-2015 04:56PM

end of the road wrote: »

they protected their property from nothing, blocked a public road. i have no sympathy for them now. any criminal charges that could be brought against them should be

Wtf?
The only people who used the blocked road were those who were the only ones using it.Its a cul de sac
Any complaints made to the Gardai about the blockage from the residents?No charges pending .

OldNotWIse · 14-10-2015 04:59PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

You are starting to sound like a troll now. No point debating with you. I hope it's resolved and tbh it would be nice if the residents are reassured and allow the TEMPORARY site to go ahead. And if they aren't reassured and still object that is their perogative.

Wasn't the place they were in when the fire started also temporary? And weren't they there for 9 years or something?

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