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atlantic mist · 12-10-2015 06:44PM

hi dawg nice list is that mainly what ye produce or do ye do powder as well? ur product portfolio of what u showed appears ye are focused on the domestic market do ye export much product, only read the other night France is 2nd highest exporter dairy in eu behind the Germans
our new processor cant sell consumer products in ireland part of agreement wit plc as they own/retained the brands so our list will be much smaller other coops would have a far more comprehensive product mix

degetme · 12-10-2015 08:06PM

Any news on September milk price?

alps · 12-10-2015 08:38PM

atlantic mist wrote: »

our new processor cant sell consumer products in ireland part of agreement wit plc as they own/retained the brands so our list will be much smaller other coops would have a far more comprehensive product mix

Do you refer to glanbia here? Does that restrict the coop to commodities long term? Will the plc pay more than commodity price for the raw material it requires for added value products, or is the margin derived from these supposed to make its way back to the farmer through plc dividends.
How do farmers feel about this or is it a non issue?

kowtow · 12-10-2015 08:47PM

bogman_bass wrote:

What is "Tomme Chevere Chambrille"? and @â;‚¬20k per tonne can we produce it here?

You could produce it here if you liked goats and if the Irish liked goats cheese (in substantial quantity)

Price is higher end wholesale but not untypical for an artisan product.

Dawggone · 12-10-2015 09:32PM

atlantic mist wrote: »

hi dawg nice list is that mainly what ye produce or do ye do powder as well? ur product portfolio of what u showed appears ye are focused on the domestic market do ye export much product, only read the other night France is 2nd highest exporter dairy in eu behind the Germans
our new processor cant sell consumer products in ireland part of agreement wit plc as they own/retained the brands so our list will be much smaller other coops would have a far more comprehensive product mix

Main focus is on home market of course Mist. There's pages of product, but there should be with a pop of close on 70mil.
Also produce ingredients for further processing/confectionary etc.
I actually don't know what %age goes into powder commodities, but nationally about 10 -15%.
What way does it work with Plc holding onto own brands? Are Plc paying gdt price for milk that goes towards manufacture?
Sounds awfully like GII have geared up to produce into commodities market as a business model? Now that would be a shame...Fonterra model?

Dawggone · 12-10-2015 09:42PM

Question to the Boards...have the processors and the dairy infrastructure in general decided (without much consultation) to follow (blindly) the NZ Fonterra business model?

poor farmer · 12-10-2015 09:52PM

degetme wrote: »

Any news on September milk price?

Lakeland meeting tmro to set price

mahoney_j · 12-10-2015 09:53PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Question to the Boards...have the processors and the dairy infrastructure in general decided (without much consultation) to follow (blindly) the NZ Fonterra business model?

In short yes ,we're sort of screwed though due to small internal market and past failure to think outside the box .things are starting to change though but the likes of Glanbia and dsirygold have taken huge punts on Chinese baby food market but demand there has crashed

Cow Porter · 12-10-2015 10:06PM

http://podcast.rasset.ie/podcasts/audio/2015/1010/20151010_rteradio1-countrywide-wheredoesd_c20861846_20861852_232_drm_.mp3

hope the link works, if not go to this one and click WHERE DOES DUBLINER CHEESE COME FROM? CORK!

http://www.rte.ie/radio1/podcast/podcast_countrywide.xml

Carbery has a fairly differentiated product mix but some doesnt come from west cork milk at all, e.g non dairy flavours and ingredients hopefully the man after dan mcsweeny will have the same forward thinking

atlantic mist · 12-10-2015 10:57PM

Dawggone wrote: »

What way does it work with Plc holding onto own brands? Are Plc paying gdt price for milk that goes towards manufacture?
Sounds awfully like GII have geared up to produce into commodities market as a business model? Now that would be a shame...Fonterra model?

that seems to be the business model, were focused only on the export market

plc holds consumer foods that includes all brands associated with us previously including the liquid milk so our prices dont reflect that segment in our market at all

the agreement on price between the plc and gii, million euro question no one can event tell me how exactly they calculated our monthly price, like us there getting a leading market price what time do market open or do they close?

we produce and i think they put brand on, our ceo wasnt really interest in the brands no future growth in those

Dawggone · 12-10-2015 11:26PM

atlantic mist wrote: »

that seems to be the business model, were focused only on the export market

plc holds consumer foods that includes all brands associated with us previously including the liquid milk so our prices dont reflect that segment in our market at all

the agreement on price between the plc and gii, million euro question no one can event tell me how exactly they calculated our monthly price, like us there getting a leading market price what time do market open or do they close?

we produce and i think they put brand on, our ceo wasnt really interest in the brands no future growth in those

What are you getting, base price, this month Mist?

kowtow · 13-10-2015 10:33AM

atlantic mist wrote: »

we produce and i think they put brand on, our ceo wasnt really interest in the brands no future growth in those

True, those brands were only good for profits - not growth.

alps · 13-10-2015 10:47AM

kowtow wrote: »

True, those brands were only good for profits - not growth.

I'd gladly take a bit of profit......

A cow called Daisy · 13-10-2015 12:46PM

poor farmer wrote: »

Lakeland meeting tmro to set price

Might not be to bad as there a number of board members seeking re-election to board in coming weeks. Not being cynical but turkeys don't always vote for Christmas

bogman_bass · 13-10-2015 12:52PM

Kovu wrote: »

I think that depends on how you feel about goats bogman

Great lads altogether!

bogman_bass · 13-10-2015 12:53PM

kowtow wrote: »

You could produce it here if you liked goats and if the Irish liked goats cheese (in substantial quantity)

Price is higher end wholesale but not untypical for an artisan product.

Hardly an artisan product if on a Co-op's price list

kowtow · 13-10-2015 01:18PM

bogman_bass wrote: »

Hardly an artisan product if on a Co-op's price list

You'd have to ask Dawg but I suspect it does qualify as an Artisan product

There are - apparently - about 750 tonnes of Selles made each year, 30% of which is on farm, so in volume terms it is certainly Artisan.

A lot of French & Swiss Cheeses with long histories / provenance / & strong conditions attached (eg. no silage, breed of animal, production method etc.) are made in the local molkeroi / co-op with the milk from designated herds.

Its one of the good reasons for keeping co-ops small.

keep going · 13-10-2015 02:45PM

Dawggone wrote: »

Question to the Boards...have the processors and the dairy infrastructure in general decided (without much consultation) to follow (blindly) the NZ Fonterra business model?

do you mean seasonal commodity producation as opposed to an american milk production type but with milk being processed into high value added or branded productson a year round basis.if so tell me what are irelands strenghts that will give it a competitive advantage in this scenario

whelan2 · 13-10-2015 06:37PM

poor farmer wrote: »

Lakeland meeting tmro to set price

any word ?

Snowfire · 13-10-2015 06:44PM

whelan2 wrote: »

any word ?

+5 c/litre

I wish.....

A cow called Daisy · 13-10-2015 10:15PM

Told by board member that lakeland holding milk price

mf240 · 13-10-2015 10:29PM

Co ops. Will be slow to pull milk price this time of the year as lads will buy dry cow tubes instead of dairy nuts.

Dawggone · 13-10-2015 10:29PM

kowtow wrote: »

You'd have to ask Dawg but I suspect it does qualify as an Artisan product

There are - apparently - about 750 tonnes of Selles made each year, 30% of which is on farm, so in volume terms it is certainly Artisan.

A lot of French & Swiss Cheeses with long histories / provenance / & strong conditions attached (eg. no silage, breed of animal, production method etc.) are made in the local molkeroi / co-op with the milk from designated herds.

Its one of the good reasons for keeping co-ops small.

I wrote a fine long reply but was lost again!
Simply. You, Bass and Kowtow, are talking about two completely different cheeses.
Selles - sur - Cher comes from the Sologne which is shyte land ranging from white sands to yellow clays. Popular for game hunting and some respectable white wines.
Tradition/provenance/AOC would be two (I think!) breeds of goats (Saanen?) that eat the local hay/forage and cheese is made from the milk. The cheese is made from May to August.
Quite artisan cheese, with little going into central production...
Very profitable for those artisan producers.
What Bass is talking about would be a commercial cheese.

Dawggone · 13-10-2015 10:34PM

keep going wrote: »

do you mean seasonal commodity producation as opposed to an american milk production type but with milk being processed into high value added or branded productson a year round basis.if so tell me what are irelands strenghts that will give it a competitive advantage in this scenario

I'm not in any qualified to answer that KG.
Thats why you employ savants to create new products.
Any fool can manufacture commodities...

atlantic mist · 14-10-2015 09:27AM

lakeland sept milk held at 26.5c, any word on gii.....leading price has been beaten this month!!! or has it lets c the cheque!!

dwag base 25c for aug we got paid 27.5c protein at 3.67 lifted us off base

RightTurnClyde · 14-10-2015 11:12AM

atlantic mist wrote: »

lakeland sept milk held at 26.5c, any word on gii.....leading price has been beaten this month!!! or has it lets c the cheque!!

dwag base 25c for aug we got paid 27.5c protein at 3.67 lifted us off base

Kerry holding too @26

alps · 14-10-2015 03:17PM

RightTurnClyde wrote: »

Kerry holding too @26

Whooooo.wheeeeee.....

Who's gonna be the spoil sport. .?😆

Milked out · 14-10-2015 03:20PM

alps wrote: »

Whooooo.wheeeeee.....

Who's gonna be the spoil sport. .?ðŸ˜†

Hardly dg or glanbia...

mahoney_j · 14-10-2015 03:42PM

Milked out wrote: »

Hardly dg or glanbia...

There already bottom of the pile,were(Arrabawn )setting price tomorrow and bord were told last month of the need for one more price correction.....,the bord was also sent on a junket to the states 2 weeks ago.be some angst if they do cut

Buford T. Justice XIX · 14-10-2015 04:12PM

alps wrote: »

Whooooo.wheeeeee.....

Who's gonna be the spoil sport. .?ðŸ˜†

Fonterra are selling less stock through the auction and stocks are building up there atm.

I have a suspicion those stocks will be released next April.

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