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Fire at a halting site in Dublin *Mod Warning Post #1*

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  • #422
    whatismyname
    Closed Accounts Posts: 2,707 ✭✭✭whatismyname


    blackwhite wrote: »
    Beside these families or other families? Because if it's other families then you're making the exact same time of sweeping generalisations that you are complaining about others doing.

    I think it looks like that but I also think efb's point has been not to pre judge these 15 people.

    They might be good people or bad people. Just cos anyone has either good or bad experiences with other people from the same ethnic group doesn't mean these 15 people will the same as any examples of other people that others can provide and not to tar all with same brush, either good or bad.

    Apologies if I have read your point wrong efb.


  • #423
    The Talking Bread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,037 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    efb wrote: »
    Will if it's said on boards that's certifiable. Must be scum so.

    IT WAS SAID ON THE RADIO BY ONE OF THE RESIDENTS. WHO KNOWS THE GROUPS HISTORY. YOU SEEM TO BE IGNORING THIS POINT IRONICALLY THOUGH TO SUIT YOUR FAUX MOTHER THERESA OUTRAGE. NO ONE SAID THEY ARE SCUM, I AM SURE THEY ARE FAR FROM IT. BUT SQUEEZING THEM INTO A CUL DE SAC BESIDE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE HAD PAST ISSUES WITH THEM IS NOT THE BRIGHTEST.

    I PUT THIS IN CAPITALS SO YOU MIGHT SEE IT. AS YOU SEEM TO CHOOSE WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR.


  • #424
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    The Talking Bread wrote: »
    IT WAS SAID ON THE RADIO BY ONE OF THE RESIDENTS. WHO KNOWS THE GROUPS HISTORY. YOU SEEM TO BE IGNORING THIS POINT IRONICALLY THOUGH TO SUIT YOUR FAUX MOTHER THERESA OUTRAGE. NO ONE SAID THEY ARE SCUM, I AM SURE THEY ARE FAR FROM IT. BUT SQUEEZING THEM INTO A CUL DE SAC BESIDE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE HAD PAST ISSUES WITH THEM IS NOT THE BRIGHTEST.

    I PUT THIS IN CAPITALS SO YOU MIGHT SEE IT. AS YOU SEEM TO CHOOSE WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR.

    Hearsay isn't valid evidence


  • #425
    Larbre34
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 28,106 ✭✭✭✭Larbre34


    Sorry but im with the residents here. Its a totally unsuitable location with bad access. All the Council did was create an unneccessary secondary problem, they must own land close to utilities all over the place. The cul de sac end of a narrow established street is not a solution.


  • #426
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    whatismyname wrote: »
    I think it looks like that but I also think efb's point has been not to pre judge these 15 people.

    They might be good people or bad people. Just cos anyone has either good or bad experiences with other people from the same ethnic group doesn't mean these 15 people will the same as any examples of other people that others can provide and not to tar all with same brush, either good or bad.

    Apologies if I have read your point wrong efb.

    No nail on the head. They're are members of the settled and travelling community I stay clear of, but o don't tar all with the one brush.

    We all know families with a tear away any know even his family are not bad eggs


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  • #427
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    The Talking Bread wrote: »
    IT WAS SAID ON THE RADIO BY ONE OF THE RESIDENTS. WHO KNOWS THE GROUPS HISTORY. YOU SEEM TO BE IGNORING THIS POINT IRONICALLY THOUGH TO SUIT YOUR FAUX MOTHER THERESA OUTRAGE. NO ONE SAID THEY ARE SCUM, I AM SURE THEY ARE FAR FROM IT. BUT SQUEEZING THEM INTO A CUL DE SAC BESIDE RESIDENTS WHO HAVE HAD PAST ISSUES WITH THEM IS NOT THE BRIGHTEST.

    I PUT THIS IN CAPITALS SO YOU MIGHT SEE IT. AS YOU SEEM TO CHOOSE WHAT YOU WANT TO HEAR.

    Them? So they know the exact people being temporarily rehomed???


  • #428
    conorhal
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,096 ✭✭✭conorhal


    efb wrote: »
    No. But innocent until proven guilty

    Good luck with that considering that the co-co, the guards and your local TD, while all sympathetic, shrug and tell you that it's a civil matter and they have no interest in the guilt or otherwise of sombody that is making your life a living hell.


  • #429
    The Talking Bread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,037 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    efb wrote: »
    Hearsay isn't valid evidence

    So are you saying those residents who came on the radio are liars........


  • #430
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    conorhal wrote: »
    Good luck with that considering that the co-co, the guards and your local TD, while all sympathetic, shrug and tell you that it's a civil matter and they have no interest in the guilt or otherwise of sombody that is making your life a living hell.

    Theft or violence aren't civil matters


  • #431
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    The Talking Bread wrote: »
    So are you saying those residents who came on the radio are liars........

    I'm advising it's currently hearsay without proof
    Am I not being clear here?


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  • #432
    The Talking Bread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,037 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    whatismyname wrote: »
    I think it looks like that but I also think efb's point has been not to pre judge these 15 people.

    They might be good people or bad people. Just cos anyone has either good or bad experiences with other people from the same ethnic group doesn't mean these 15 people will the same as any examples of other people that others can provide and not to tar all with same brush, either good or bad.

    Apologies if I have read your point wrong efb.


    It seems to me they are judging these 15 on paspast experiences. They obviously have some knowledge that the Halo Brigade on this forum don't have. I am willing to give the residents the right to speak for themselves.


  • #433
    efb
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    The Talking Bread wrote: »
    It seems to me they are judging these 15 on paspast experiences. They obviously have some knowledge that the Halo Brigade on this forum don't have. I am willing to give the residents the right to speak for themselves.

    To protect their house prices???


  • #434
    whisky_galore
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,266 ✭✭✭✭whisky_galore


    conorhal wrote: »
    Perhaps if the counsel and the Guards actually dealt with antisocial behaviour it would fix the problem.

    Head over to the property forum and read a few of the absolute horror stories about people that have had their piece of mind, health and lives destroyed by anti-social neighbours.

    That would need an overhaul of the legal system instead of the current soft touch, bail for all comers and revolving doors.
    The gardai can only operate within the remit of the law and resources given to them and the law makers are only inclined to get off their behinds to make radical changes if revenue want to shake us down for cash.
    The neighbour from hell rarely intrudes into leafy well-to-do suburbs inhabited by govt ministers and legal eagles.


  • #435
    Padraig Mor
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 9,660 ✭✭✭Padraig Mor


    efb wrote: »
    To protect their house prices???

    I'd imagine protecting their families and property are rather more important to them than house prices.


  • #436
    The Talking Bread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,037 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    efb wrote: »
    I'm advising it's currently hearsay without proof
    Am I not being clear here?

    Maybe they have proof. Maybe they have witnessed it. They seem pretty confident and assured in why they don't want the halting site there and have cited reasons. Just because they don't have photographic evidence or a youtube documentary to furnish to you doesn't mean it didn't happen. The human memory is a strong faculty of information.


  • #437
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,610 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    efb wrote: »
    Hearsay isn't valid evidence

    Ironic that hearsay exactly all you have provided, here listen to newstalks breakfast show as evidence of what the residents say http://www.newstalk.com/listen_back/5/22231/14th_October_2015_-_Breakfast_Part_1/


  • #438
    The Talking Bread
    Closed Accounts Posts: 18,037 ✭✭✭✭The Talking Bread


    efb wrote: »
    To protect their house prices???

    I never mentioned house prices once.


  • #439
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    VinLieger wrote: »
    Ironic that hearsay exactly all you have provided, here listen to newstalks breakfast show as evidence of what the residents say http://www.newstalk.com/listen_back/5/22231/14th_October_2015_-_Breakfast_Part_1/

    Again without solid evidence it's just hearsay. I don't have to prove innocence.

    What about this basic concept escapes you?


  • #440
    Shurimgreat
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,133 ✭✭✭Shurimgreat


    I think the residents of the area where it is proposed to resettle the traveller families have been put in an impossible situation.

    The PC brigade and "liberal" media are already all over this. The use of emotional blackmail is pretty shameful.

    I'm sure most of those "outraged" have large enough back gardens to take in at least one traveller family.


  • #441
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    The Talking Bread wrote: »
    Maybe they have proof. Maybe they have witnessed it. They seem pretty confident and assured in why they don't want the halting site there and have cited reasons. Just because they don't have photographic evidence or a youtube documentary to furnish to you doesn't mean it didn't happen. The human memory is a strong faculty of information.

    Well I'm sure the charges will be forthcoming with this overwhelming evidence


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  • #442
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    The Talking Bread wrote: »
    I never mentioned house prices once.

    Apologies if you hadn't - it was said earlier people are entitled to defend the value of their property.
    I wasn't directly responding to you.

    House prices is not a valid reason to leave someone homeless imho


  • #443
    Laois_Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    hear·say
    the report of another person's words by a witness, usually disallowed as evidence in a court of law.

    Just sayin!


  • #444
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,610 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    efb wrote: »
    Again without solid evidence it's just hearsay. I don't have to prove innocence.

    What about this basic concept escapes you?

    The point that seems to be escaping you is that you have also only provided hearsay where you claimed many people were saying they were well liked


  • #445
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    VinLieger wrote: »
    The point that seems to be escaping you is that you have also only provided hearsay where you claimed many people were saying they were well liked

    Read what Laois man advised hearsay is. I am giving my own account. Not that of others.


  • #446
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    VinLieger wrote: »
    The point that seems to be escaping you is that you have also only provided hearsay where you claimed many people were saying they were well liked

    You don't have to be proved innocent


  • #447
    VinLieger
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 19,610 ✭✭✭✭VinLieger


    efb wrote: »
    Read what Laois man advised hearsay is. I am giving my own account. Not that of others.

    You were giving your own account here were you?
    efb wrote: »
    Do they know who is moving in? Very positive reports about the family directly affected by the fire

    Where did these positive reports come from exactly?
    efb wrote: »
    You don't have to be proved innocent

    I never said they were guilty did I?


  • #448
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    VinLieger wrote: »
    You were giving your own account here were you?



    Where did these positive reports come from exactly?



    I never said they were guilty did I?

    I was referring to my living next to travelers

    Regarding the other piece it was meant as some people are hearing they are "scumbags" I heard the opposite - rendering their point moot.


  • #449
    Laois_Man
    Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 5,758 ✭✭✭Laois_Man


    efb wrote: »
    Read what Laois man advised hearsay is. I am giving my own account. Not that of others.

    Actually I was advising you.

    It is not hearsay when it has been heard directly from a witness (which it has been on news bulletins). It is an actual witness account and is therefore, evidence!


  • #450
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    VinLieger wrote: »
    You were giving your own account here were you?



    Where did these positive reports come from exactly?



    I never said they were guilty did I?

    I apparently have to prove they aren't scumbags according to some here


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  • #451
    efb
    Closed Accounts Posts: 35,514 ✭✭✭✭efb


    Laois_Man wrote: »
    Actually I was advising you.

    It is not hearsay when it has been heard directly from a witness (which it has been on news bulletins). It is an actual witness account and is therefore, evidence!

    The witness was relayin non specific stories - not admissible


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