Fire at a halting site in Dublin Mod Warning Post #1

gandalf · 14-10-2015 09:48AM

efb wrote: »

Replace traveller with black or Catholic and see how it reads

Bull****.

People have every right to protect their area and the value of their homes. If as per the interview on Newstalk this morning suggests that the members of this travelers site have engaged in any anti-social behavior in the past then the only people they can blame is themselves for this.

The council bear a lot of the blame here too. Firstly for allowing anti-social behavior occurring in the original site and then for the heavy handed way they announced to the residents of this cul-de-sac their plans to set up a "temporary halting site" without any real engagement.

whatismyname · 14-10-2015 09:49AM

delahuntv wrote: »

I'd say if you checked with Gardai about what convictions some of these had, you would not want them living beside you.

Some of these 15 people?

Willfarman · 14-10-2015 09:51AM

Has Alan Kelly got a big garden I wonder?

Richard Hillman · 14-10-2015 10:05AM

Do the residents of the houses get compensation for the loss of value to their homes?

A quiet cul-de-sac on the Dublin mountains would be a very nice place to live. I don't think many prospective buyers would like to live with a halting site on their doorstep.

There is also an abandoned halting site in Shankill, not too far from Carrickmines. Why can the council not just do the necessary repairs and house them there?

I would very much feel under attack if I were a resident of the housing estate. And there is now a Counter-Protest from traveller groups tonight in the estate. We'll see how that goes....

14-10-2015 10:07AM

I understand these residents.

"temporary" will become permanent if it is allowed to happen.

conorhal · 14-10-2015 10:08AM

seamus wrote: »

In this specific case, there seems to be past form of anti-social behaviour from this particular group of travellers.

So this isn't straightforward NIMBYism of residents being prejudiced against travellers in general. This is a group known for being disruptive to the local community, so I can certainly sympathise with their objections.

Actually quite brave of them I think (one women was willing to talk on the radio this morning) to stand up for themselves despite how it was obviously going to look.

I'm pretty sure the residents in this case understand full well that they are about to bring down the wrath of local government, the entirety of the media who will expend barrels of ink heaping scorn upon them, every special interest group in the country and every hashtag SJW, upon their heads.
This can't have been an action that anybody would take lightly so it says a lot about how desperate these residents must be to avoid having these particular travellers in their back yard, a group of families that they know intimately having lived down the road from them.

Kiwi in IE · 14-10-2015 10:16AM

efb wrote: »

Replace traveller with black or Catholic and see how it reads

Exactly! There was a time in the past where Irish in general in some other countries were treated in some ways like the travelling community are currently treated. Everyone has heard of the disgusting signs that were put up saying things like 'no Irish' on pub doors and 'no Irish need apply' in job advertisements historically in US, UK.

Why did this happen? Prejudice, bigotry and behavioural stereotypes! How is this different from people closing their businesses because members of the travelling community are in town, and the way the travelling community are stereotyped and treated in general?

realdanbreen · 14-10-2015 10:17AM

efb wrote: »

Replace traveller with black or Catholic and see how it reads

Well if all these people who don't have a problem with having traveller halting sites beside them were genuine then there would not be a problem would there? Another thing that pi$$es me off is the authorities deciding to have an 'audit' of halting sites. I'm no expert but I can see from driving past that these places are fire traps not to mention health hazards. Mobile homes/prefabs/gas cylinders cramped on top of one another and usually plumes of smoke coming out of the site and they need to have an [EMAIL="'audit'@an"]'audit' ![/EMAIL] Simple solution is get the names and addresses of all these people who would welcome a halting site and build good solid traveller house there.

CruelCoin · 14-10-2015 10:23AM

Richard Hillman wrote: »

We'll see how that goes....

Honestly officer, i have no idea who smashed those windows or burnt that homeowners car.

efb · 14-10-2015 10:26AM

CruelCoin wrote: »

Honestly officer, i have no idea who smashed those windows or burnt that homeowners car.

I'll be living beside them 3 years this month and that has never happened me.

No anti social behaviour either!!

No blacks No Irish eh?

CruelCoin · 14-10-2015 10:27AM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Exactly! There was a time in the past where Irish in general in some other countries were treated in some ways like the travelling community are currently treated. Everyone has heard of the disgusting signs that were put up saying things like 'no Irish' on pub doors and 'no Irish need apply' in job advertisements historically in US, UK.

Why did this happen? Prejudice, bigotry and behavioural stereotypes! How is this different from people closing their businesses because members of the travelling community are in town, and the way the travelling community are stereotyped and treated in general?

You've obviously never lived near to a halting site.

Breakins skyrocket, burglaries, intimidating groups on roads, trash everywhere. Life anywhere near a halting site becomes misery.

I applaud these homeowners, and i'd react in exactly the same way.

efb · 14-10-2015 10:27AM

Andy Lee posted how disgusted he was

efb · 14-10-2015 10:28AM

CruelCoin wrote: »

You've obviously never lived near to a halting site.

Breakins skyrocket, burglaries, intimidating groups on roads, trash everywhere. Life anywhere near a halting site becomes misery.

I applaud these homeowners, and i'd react in exactly the same way.

I must be blind so!

CruelCoin · 14-10-2015 10:28AM

efb wrote: »

I'll be living beside them 3 years this month and that has never happened me.

No anti social behaviour either!!

No blacks No Irish eh?

You've found the unicorn so.

efb · 14-10-2015 10:28AM

The bigotry in this thread is appalling -not surprised though

efb · 14-10-2015 10:29AM

'Protect the value of their home'

Money over human rights

Now that's compassion

VinLieger · 14-10-2015 10:30AM

efb wrote: »

I'll be living beside them 3 years this month and that has never happened me.

No anti social behaviour either!!

No blacks No Irish eh?

Great, but are you denying that anybody else living near a halting hasn't experienced any of this as well? At the same time your complaining that people tar them with the same brush for anti social behaviour your doing the same by portraying them as all angels from your limited experience of the those who live near you.

efb · 14-10-2015 10:32AM

CruelCoin wrote: »

You've found the unicorn so.

Or maybe I'm not as quick to prejudge and label

I campaigned last spring for equality I'm not going to be a hypocrite

kylith · 14-10-2015 10:32AM

And yet everyone is up in arms about housing the homeless. What are these people if not homeless? Are they less desirable neighbours than a bunch of homeless drug addicts?

Of course, when people talk about what a disgrace it is that the government aren't housing the homeless they mentally add 'but not near my house'.

mountai · 14-10-2015 10:33AM

temporary" will become permanent if it is allowed to happen . The site where that fire took place was set up as a "temporary" site 8 years ago. 100% behind the residents.

efb · 14-10-2015 10:33AM

VinLieger wrote: »

Great, but are you denying that anybody else living near a halting hasn't experienced any of this as well? At the same time your complaining that people tar them with the same brush for anti social behaviour your doing the same by portraying them as all angels from your limited experience of the those who live near you.

3 years. Innocent till proven guilty is a basic tenant of law.

I don't think they are boy scouts but no worse or better than anyone else

efb · 14-10-2015 10:34AM

kylith wrote: »

And yet everyone is up in arms about housing the homeless. What are these people if not homeless? Are they less desirable neighbours than a bunch of homeless drug addicts?

Of course, when people talk about what a disgrace it is that the government aren't housing the homeless they mentally add 'but not near my house'.

Maybe the are refugee travellers

Maybe only people who lost housing gambling in the property bubble are the homeless they mean...

Kiwi in IE · 14-10-2015 10:35AM

CruelCoin wrote: »

You've obviously never lived near to a halting site.

Breakins skyrocket, burglaries, intimidating groups on roads, trash everywhere. Life anywhere near a halting site becomes misery.

I applaud these homeowners, and i'd react in exactly the same way.

My first neighbours in Ireland were travellers. At the time I didn't know that because I had no knowledge of the travelling community, having just arrived from NZ. The problems in that estate came from the non traveller white Irish couple across the road, where police were called on a regular basis due to domestic fights, anti social behaviour, and yes, even a loose dangerous animal. My neighbours were a lovely family. We are still friendly with them and my son is friends with their little boy.

Mickeroo · 14-10-2015 10:37AM

Also lived near a halting site for 4 years with no issues whatsoever and I know people who've had bad experiences with travellers too.

I've had good neighbours and bad neighbours, I wouldn't try to prevent someone moving in near me just because they might be a bad neighbour. Making assumptions about people you don't know based on your own limited experience and prejudices is not a good thing whether it be a positive or negative assumption.

VinLieger · 14-10-2015 10:40AM

efb wrote: »

'Protect the value of their home'

Money over human rights

Now that's compassion

If a giant apartment block was about to be constructed next to your house that loomed over your house + garden would you put in an objection?

Yes of course you would as it would devalue your house, but heres the thing you would have the ability to object to it thanks to the planning process.

The council in its infinite wisdom has denied the residents of these house that right to object to something that will devalue thgeir properties so they have had to resort to this.

efb · 14-10-2015 10:42AM

VinLieger wrote: »

If a giant apartment block was about to be constructed next to your house that loomed over your house + garden would you put in an objection?

Yes of course you would as it would devalue your house, but heres the thing you would have the ability to object to it thanks to the planning process.

The council in its infinite wisdom has denied the residents of these house that right to object to something that will devalue thgeir properties so they have had to resort to this.

Would I object? No. Others might

efb · 14-10-2015 10:44AM

VinLieger wrote: »

If a giant apartment block was about to be constructed next to your house that loomed over your house + garden would you put in an objection?

Yes of course you would as it would devalue your house, but heres the thing you would have the ability to object to it thanks to the planning process.

The council in its infinite wisdom has denied the residents of these house that right to object to something that will devalue thgeir properties so they have had to resort to this.

Some of us aren't obsessed about the value of our house. I'm happy in my home

whisky_galore · 14-10-2015 10:44AM

NIMAN wrote: »

Maybe they were hoping that residents wouldn't have the balls to protest in any way, given the deaths and how they would be vilified if they did protest.

But it just shows how strong the residents feel about this, that they are prepared to go against the goodwill of the nation and take a stand.

But 'the nation' isn't earmarked at a moments notice to become neighbours. Like everything in this country from windfarms to landfills it's always grand if it's somewhere else.

conorhal · 14-10-2015 10:44AM

Mickeroo wrote: »

Also lived near a halting site for 4 years with no issues whatsoever and I know people who've had bad experiences with travellers too.

I've had good neighbours and bad neighbours, I wouldn't try to prevent someone moving in near me just because they might be a bad neighbour. Making assumptions about people you don't know based on your own limited experience and prejudices is not a good thing whether it be a positive or negative assumption.

As I posted above, the residents aren't making assumptions, they've lived down the road from these families for 8 years, if as was your experience they'd never had any issue with the families then I'd find it hard to imagine they'd object.

efb · 14-10-2015 10:47AM

Oh the irony of people living in one odd rural housing's objection to wind farms is delicious!

I go out home and see the nimby's with their little signs up! Yet they moaned when the toxin emmitting peat power station closed...

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