Fire at a halting site in Dublin Mod Warning Post #1

StewartGriffin · 13-10-2015 11:54PM

Kiwi in IE wrote: »

Respect must be earned. Has society somehow failed to earn their respect?
If I were a member of a group who were treated by society the way the travelling community seem to be treated, I wouldn't respect it either! Chicken/Egg?

So conversely, to use your own logic, if you were a member of a group who was treated by elements of the travelling community the way they treat society, you wouldn't respect them either!

hatrickpatrick · 14-10-2015 12:05AM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Oh shut up. One you are completely taking what I said out of context. The previous inhabitants of the site that the residents are protecting did not behave as to what most people consider social standards. And no, people aren't entitled to shack up wherever they want. That is why there is planning permission for example. The houses they live in are council houses (or used to be) so I don't think that is the issue.

There is a big difference between a halting site and brick and mortar houses and you are the idiot if you think otherwise. Not alwas the case, far from it but there is a good chance that it won't be all plain sailing with a halting site 20 yards from your house.

In other words, you're justifying discrimination based on a stereotype. And I took nothing out of context. You're stereotyping. Some travellers behave like assholes, therefore it's ok to assume the worst of every traveller. That's basically what you're saying, and I find it repulsive.

hatrickpatrick · 14-10-2015 12:06AM

Means Of Escape wrote: »

And as idiots people should rejoice living beside a community who openly box each other in front of their children, burn refuse , allow horses to graze in communal areas ,litter with impunity etc etc and this is the case more often than not

Citation needed for it being the case "more often than not"?

hatrickpatrick · 14-10-2015 12:11AM

tomwaterford wrote: »

Most possibly is someone posting here as I doubt there's that many bigots in ireland!

I'm afraid I'm going to have to disappoint you on that point... Experience would denote that bigotry against travellers and council estates / flats is the last remaining socially acceptable form of bigotry in Ireland and it utterly pervades society, much more than you or I would like to believe.

Actually I should say that there's a third, almost invisible form of bigotry which is socially acceptable, not on the same scale as the widespread bigotry against travellers and council houses, but I'm sure you can think of at least one friend who refuses to get into a taxi driven by anyone other than a white person. I'm always shocked by how common that form of racism is and how so many people, decent people, never actually stop to realise just how unimaginably nasty they sound when they perpetuate it.

The Talking Bread · 14-10-2015 12:11AM

efb wrote: »

are you insinuating Im lying?

are you insinuating i am insinuating such. I trust everyone and everything over the internet sure.........................

hatrickpatrick · 14-10-2015 12:21AM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

are you insinuating i am insinuating such. I trust everyone and everything over the internet sure.........................

I'd like to insinuate that your insistence on indirect innuendo as opposed to coming out and saying what you want to say is insidiously irritating.

The Talking Bread · 14-10-2015 12:24AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

In other words, you're justifying discrimination based on a stereotype. And I took nothing out of context. You're stereotyping. Some travellers behave like assholes, therefore it's ok to assume the worst of every traveller. That's basically what you're saying, and I find it repulsive.

what i am saying is these residents have a right to protest if they fear negative reprecusions from a halting site on their doorstep. stop trying to paint me as something i clearly amn't . now please block me if you disagree.

The Talking Bread · 14-10-2015 12:27AM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

I'd like to insinuate that your insistence on indirect innuendo as opposed to coming out and saying what you want to say is insidiously irritating.

Bad news Pat I am not going to be your nightly argument pair off tonight. Find someone else. Blocked.

PTH2009 · 14-10-2015 01:15AM

Rip to the victims and my condolences to the family and friends of the victims

For anyone who watched the rte series clean break last Sunday there was a scene where a child got burned. I think this was disgraceful to show under the circumstances of the weekend events in Carrickmines and rte didn't even warn viewers about it

end of the road · 14-10-2015 01:28AM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Was the other thread about the digger coming in to the cul de sac to make a new halting site closed? Can't make a comment or anything.

I didn't see any warning or closedown from the mods. Just wondered if I am feeling Ok

no your okay. it was closed by the looks of it. it was for the best TBH

pauliebdub · 14-10-2015 02:34AM

PTH2009 wrote: »

Rip to the victims and my condolences to the family and friends of the victims

For anyone who watched the rte series clean break last Sunday there was a scene where a child got burned. I think this was disgraceful to show under the circumstances of the weekend events in Carrickmines and rte didn't even warn viewers about it

No it wasn't, as sad as the tragedy was, life goes on for everyone else. Why would RTE need to warn viewers?

pauliebdub · 14-10-2015 02:37AM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

what i am saying is these residents have a right to protest if they fear negative reprecusions from a halting site on their doorstep. stop trying to paint me as something i clearly amn't . now please block me if you disagree.

The Travellers have the right to accommodation but the council and the likes of Alan Kelly do not have the right to ride roughshod over the wishes of the residents. Their wishes need to be taken into account. I wouldn't be keen on living next to a halting site.

hatrickpatrick · 14-10-2015 02:38AM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

what i am saying is these residents have a right to protest if they fear negative reprecusions from a halting site on their doorstep. stop trying to paint me as something i clearly amn't . now please block me if you disagree.

I never said that they didn't have a right to protest, I'm just saying that they're dicks for doing so. I'd have a right to protest against Ireland taking in migrants who would otherwise have drowned, others would still have the right to call me a cold hearted pr!ck if I did.

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Bad news Pat I am not going to be your nightly argument pair off tonight. Find someone else. Blocked.

Petty and bigoted! I wish I could say you were a rare breed around here, but...

efb · 14-10-2015 07:10AM

pauliebdub wrote: »

The Travellers have the right to accommodation but the council and the likes of Alan Kelly do not have the right to ride roughshod over the wishes of the residents. Their wishes need to be taken into account. I wouldn't be keen on living next to a halting site.

NIMBYsm rules ok!

Jude13 · 14-10-2015 07:19AM

You're some piece of work HatPat

Stranger Danger · 14-10-2015 07:53AM

I live on a cul-de-sac, I'm the last house and there's a field beside my house.

Would I want a halting site set up in that field?

Fcuk no.

Most travellers I've encountered have been sound, but there's a minority element that don't give a sh;t about anything or anyone.

PeterTheEighth · 14-10-2015 07:57AM

It does look terrible that these people blocked the access to the temporary halting site for the Travellers. But I do have some sympathy for the residents. This will be called "temporary" accommodation by Alan Kelly, but everybody knows damn well the way things work in this country. They will be there indefinitely.

People just want a peaceful life, and in my experience, having a Traveller halting site at the end of your road does not contribute towards this. If people are so outraged at this, and feel that what the residents have done this are shameful, why dont they offer any spare patch of land that they have near their own homes to "temporarily" accommodate the families? Or is it just easier to tut-tut and look down your noses at the actions of the Carrick Mines residents?

nullzero · 14-10-2015 08:22AM

Some community was always going to have to play host to rehoming efforts after this tragedy. For all the people getting up on their high horses about residents protesting, a year or two of travellers living on your doorstep would change your minds even though you would be loath to admit it lest your halo slip.

NIMAN · 14-10-2015 08:25AM

If the feeling of goodwill is so rampant as is suggested, maybe a few residents groups should come out publicily now and say they would be happy to have these folk rehoused beside them?

Surely there will be loads of offers?

nullzero · 14-10-2015 08:27AM

NIMAN wrote: »

If the feeling of goodwill is so rampant as is suggested, maybe a few residents groups should come out publicily now and say they would be happy to have these folk rehoused beside them?

Surely there will be loads of offers?

I think they should be moved a short distance down the road to Foxrock, it would be a perfect opportunity for the elites to display their compassion and humanity.

realdanbreen · 14-10-2015 09:05AM

NIMAN wrote: »

If the feeling of goodwill is so rampant as is suggested, maybe a few residents groups should come out publicily now and say they would be happy to have these folk rehoused beside them?

Surely there will be loads of offers?

Spot on.
All these people with the faux outrage against the residents should be volunteering to have travellers beside them, problem solved!.

gandalf · 14-10-2015 09:08AM

TBH I can completely understand the residents position. A temporary halting site tends to become a permanent halting site. It will lower the value of their properties.

I wouldn't criticise the residents but the way the council has handled this is pathetic. Dun Laoghaire/Rathdown have to be the most arrogant organisation in the state to give people and hour to two hours notice of this. Of course residents were going to react in a very defensive manner with zero engagement from the council.

NIMAN · 14-10-2015 09:10AM

gandalf wrote: »

TBH I can completely understand the residents position. A temporary halting site tends to become a permanent halting site. It will lower the value of their properties.

I wouldn't criticise the residents but the way the council has handled this is pathetic. Dun Laoghaire/Rathdown have to be the most arrogant organisation in the state to give people and hour to two hours notice of this. Of course residents were going to react in a very defensive manner with zero engagement from the council.

Maybe they were hoping that residents wouldn't have the balls to protest in any way, given the deaths and how they would be vilified if they did protest.

But it just shows how strong the residents feel about this, that they are prepared to go against the goodwill of the nation and take a stand.

JustTheOne · 14-10-2015 09:11AM

gandalf wrote: »

TBH I can completely understand the residents position. A temporary halting site tends to become a permanent halting site. It will lower the value of their properties.

I wouldn't criticise the residents but the way the council has handled this is pathetic. Dun Laoghaire/Rathdown have to be the most arrogant organisation in the state to give people and hour to two hours notice of this. Of course residents were going to react in a very defensive manner with zero engagement from the council.

Especially putting them down a cul de sac.

Genius.

seamus · 14-10-2015 09:38AM

In this specific case, there seems to be past form of anti-social behaviour from this particular group of travellers.

So this isn't straightforward NIMBYism of residents being prejudiced against travellers in general. This is a group known for being disruptive to the local community, so I can certainly sympathise with their objections.

Actually quite brave of them I think (one women was willing to talk on the radio this morning) to stand up for themselves despite how it was obviously going to look.

JustTheOne · 14-10-2015 09:41AM

seamus wrote: »

In this specific case, there seems to be past form of anti-social behaviour from this particular group of travellers.

So this isn't straightforward NIMBYism of residents being prejudiced against travellers in general. This is a group known for being disruptive to the local community, so I can certainly sympathise with their objections.

Actually quite brave of them I think (one women was willing to talk on the radio this morning) to stand up for themselves despite how it was obviously going to look.

Now there's a surprise.

efb · 14-10-2015 09:41AM

realdanbreen wrote: »

Spot on.
All these people with the faux outrage against the residents should be volunteering to have travellers beside them, problem solved!.

I'm sure the travellers up from me would accommodate them 1 official and 1 unofficial halting site

efb · 14-10-2015 09:42AM

seamus wrote: »

In this specific case, there seems to be past form of anti-social behaviour from this particular group of travellers.

So this isn't straightforward NIMBYism of residents being prejudiced against travellers in general. This is a group known for being disruptive to the local community, so I can certainly sympathise with their objections.

Actually quite brave of them I think (one women was willing to talk on the radio this morning) to stand up for themselves despite how it was obviously going to look.

Replace traveller with black or Catholic and see how it reads

delahuntv · 14-10-2015 09:43AM

I'd say if you checked with Gardai about what convictions some of these had, you would not want them living beside you.

JustTheOne · 14-10-2015 09:47AM

The residents got one hour notice.

One hour are you ****ting me?

Imagine been given an hour's notice houses were been set up beside your house. No planning permission, no consultation, no discussion??

Alan Kelly. Ugh what a man.

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