Fire at a halting site in Dublin Mod Warning Post #1

whatismyname · 13-10-2015 05:23PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

there is possibly more to this story than glorified tabloid the lndependent may want to divulge tbh. i'll reserve judgement

I agree there'll be more to it. There is to pretty much every single sh1tty news story published by rag papers.

But while there will almost certainly be more to it, if what has been published is any way through, then I absolutely judge those blocking the site to the new temporary accommodation for the bereaved, homeless people.

SEPT 23 1989 · 13-10-2015 05:29PM

whatismyname wrote: »

Disgraceful. I really don't understand some humans at all.

Emergency accommodation for survivors of Carrickmines fire blocked by local residents

http://www.newstalk.com/Emergency-accommodation-for-survivors-of-Carrickmines-fire-blocked-by-local-residents

I understand it

Local residents trying to protect the value of their homes

whatismyname · 13-10-2015 05:30PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I understand it

Local residents trying to protect the value of their homes

I understand that.

There's a lot else that I will never understand about them.

The Talking Bread · 13-10-2015 05:40PM

whatismyname wrote: »

I agree there'll be more to it. There is to pretty much every single sh1tty news story published by rag papers.

But while there will almost certainly be more to it, if what has been published is any way through, then I absolutely judge those blocking the site to the new temporary accommodation for the bereaved, homeless people.

tbhtbh there are surely better places to locate them than at the end of a housing estate. Majority of people in those residents' position would object. I have complete sympathy and empathy but there apparently was travellers there before {same group i hear} who caused alot of disruption in the area.
i am not saying whats right or wrong. just need to balance the argument

ps i apologise if my info is wrong re previous habitants

Hitchens · 13-10-2015 05:45PM

NIMBY ..........anyone really surprised?

FionnK86 · 13-10-2015 05:50PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

tbhtbh there are surely better places to locate them than at the end of a housing estate. Majority of people in those residents' position would object. I have complete sympathy and empathy but there apparently was travellers there before {same group i hear} who caused alot of disruption in the area.
i am not saying whats right or wrong. just need to balance the argument

ps i apologise if my info is wrong re previous habitants

With so many vacant housing estates, why not move them there. I'm sure DLR meant well trying to move them into a friendly neighbourhood where they would be supported, but when the residents don't want them there the main selling point is gone.

The Talking Bread · 13-10-2015 05:55PM

Hitchens wrote: »

NIMBY ..........anyone really surprised?

i was a lazy, badly thought through resolution by council bound to cause trouble. there is no such thing as a short term halting site from my experience. put them in temporary housing and then find a long term site

whatismyname · 13-10-2015 05:56PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

i was a lazy, badly thought through resolution by council bound to cause trouble. there is no such thing as a short term halting site from my experience. put them in temporary housing and then find a long term site

I would say temporary settled housing for travellers rather than a temporary halting site would certainly be lazy and very, very badly thought through

end of the road · 13-10-2015 05:57PM

SEPT 23 1989 wrote: »

I understand it

Local residents trying to protect the value of their homes

fcuk them. the full force of the state should be brought down upon them if whats been reported is true. ERU army if needs be and whatever charges can stick. use whatever force is necessary to insure this emergency accommodation can be installed

FionnK86 wrote: »

With so many vacant housing estates, why not move them there. I'm sure DLR meant well trying to move them into a friendly neighbourhood where they would be supported, but when the residents don't want them there the main selling point is gone.

not really. the council can use whatever means necessary to remove any blockading residents from this particular site

13-10-2015 06:00PM

end of the road wrote: »

fcuk them. the full force of the state should be brought down upon them if whats been reported is true. ERU army if needs be and whatever charges can stick. use whatever force is necessary to insure this emergency accommodation can be installed

Why don't you put them up?

The Talking Bread · 13-10-2015 06:01PM

end of the road wrote: »

indeed. the full force of the state should be used to move this equipment so this emergency accommodation can be installed. the army if needs be. then the vermin brought before the special criminal court under whatever can stick

thats highly unfair.

The Talking Bread · 13-10-2015 06:03PM

whatismyname wrote: »

I would say temporary settled housing for travellers rather than a temporary halting site would certainly be lazy and very, very badly thought through

why...

it is more likely than unlikely this will be more than a short term arrangement if you know how these sites work

Deep Six · 13-10-2015 06:11PM

end of the road wrote: »

fcuk them. the full force of the state should be brought down upon them if whats been reported is true. ERU army if needs be and whatever charges can stick. use whatever force is necessary to insure this emergency accommodation can be installed

not really. the council can use whatever means necessary to remove any blockading residents from this particular site

The bleeding heart is strong in this one. Why don't you invite them to install the halting site in your street?

Means Of Escape · 13-10-2015 06:15PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

tbhtbh there are surely better places to locate them than at the end of a housing estate. Majority of people in those residents' position would object. I have complete sympathy and empathy but there apparently was travellers there before {same group i hear} who caused alot of disruption in the area.
i am not saying whats right or wrong. just need to balance the argument

ps i apologise if my info is wrong re previous habitants

According to last nights news at 9 the council said they spent 200k removing rubble and domestic rubbish from the site.

expectationlost · 13-10-2015 06:17PM

this field is down the end of a culdesac afaik doesn't really seem that suitable https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Glenamuck+Cottages,+Dublin/@53.243972,-6.1844388,346m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x48670833b70d680d:0xf7e4bab1d0bd9b82?hl=en somewhere with more diect access, not least a little separated would be better,the site that went on fire was temporary

The Talking Bread · 13-10-2015 06:22PM

expectationlost wrote: »

this field is down the end of a culdesac afaik doesn't really seem that suitable https://www.google.ie/maps/place/Glenamuck+Cottages,+Dublin/@53.243972,-6.1844388,346m/data=!3m1!1e3!4m2!3m1!1s0x48670833b70d680d:0xf7e4bab1d0bd9b82?hl=en

tthat is the old site where the tragedy occurred i think

My name is URL · 13-10-2015 06:27PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

tthat is the old site where the tragedy occurred i think

No this is the old site

https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.2424014,-6.1908419,3a,72.2y,89.29h,77.4t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFwDo8geaythYMzSMGICEdw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

expectationlost · 13-10-2015 06:42PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

tthat is the old site where the tragedy occurred i think

old site is down and to the left off the main road,

end of the road · 13-10-2015 07:27PM

Deep Six wrote: »

The bleeding heart is strong in this one. Why don't you invite them to install the halting site in your street?

no such thing as a bleeding heart. just someone condemning criminality, which blocking access to a site is as far as i know

efb · 13-10-2015 07:30PM

whatismyname wrote: »

Disgraceful. I really don't understand some humans at all.

Emergency accommodation for survivors of Carrickmines fire blocked by local residents

http://www.newstalk.com/Emergency-accommodation-for-survivors-of-Carrickmines-fire-blocked-by-local-residents

That is beyond miserable and selfish

(Traveller camp at the end of my road before you ask)

The Talking Bread · 13-10-2015 07:43PM

Every second person seems to have a peaceful halting site at the end of their road now it seems.

whatismyname · 13-10-2015 07:47PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Every second person seems to have a peaceful halting site at the end of their road now it seems.

Strange method of calculating you seem to have.

The Talking Bread · 13-10-2015 08:09PM

whatismyname wrote: »

Strange method of calculating you seem to have.

You know what I mean. I'm just saying it is easy for people to sit behind a computer and say what horrible people these are for not wanting traveller site set up beside their family home and then say sure they already have one beside them when people ask them would you agree to such a situation.

I'm just a bit sceptical that all the people slamming these residents who are exercising their rights out of whatever fear they have of a halting site being erected on their front door seem to back up their argument with claims of having sites beside them already. That's my own personal issue! I'm just a bit of a sceptic, that's all. Especially over the Internet.

Anyway that's beyond the point. There should have been a meeting to discuss the plans with the residents. They ought to have been assured that this was a short term thing, not just get the Order and disregard the implications. They obviously knew the attention would be turned to "the vermin" residents as someone ignorantly referred to them on here and that they would be painted as the bad guys if they objected.

Yes travellers have rights but there also needs to be a conforming to society.

I live in the country so if they were located in a field near (but not on my doorstep) to me as long as I was assured it was short term I probably wouldn't object but I wouldn't do it just to be some Bob Geldoff figure. I would have to be content there wouldn't be implications.

But if I lived in a terraced cul de sac no way would I want a traveller site 20 yards from my garden.

Means Of Escape · 13-10-2015 08:15PM

When settled folk reside close to the travelling community on a long term basis it always ends in tears

Poles apart in every respect .

efb · 13-10-2015 08:19PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Every second person seems to have a peaceful halting site at the end of their road now it seems.

I am on the record on that. Only way I'd be able afford a house tbf

efb · 13-10-2015 08:19PM

Means Of Escape wrote: »

When settled folk reside close to the travelling community on a long term basis it always ends in tears

Poles apart in every respect .

Really? Evidence to back this up?

The Talking Bread · 13-10-2015 08:25PM

Means Of Escape wrote: »

When settled folk reside close to the travelling community on a long term basis it always ends in tears

Poles apart in every respect .

Don't agree there. There are plenty of traveller families settled in an area for decades who integrate into the community in their own way and go about their business. In Newbridge for example there is a large contingent of travellers and although there is a fair bit of petty crime (and often more) for the most part they are decent hardworking people who just live a different life in SOME aspects.

However this isn't always the case. I would like to hear from one of the residents if people are going to verbally abuse them for having reservations about traveller site being erected beside them again.

hatrickpatrick · 13-10-2015 08:33PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

Yes travellers have rights but there also needs to be a conforming to society.

Theeeeere it is

As long as they're not hurting anybody they should be free to live whatever way they want to live.

I'm always astounded by these threads. Travellers seem to be the one group that it's still ok to generalise about. Make such sweeping generalisations about Muslims, Northerners, Poles, or <insert ethnic / demographic sub-division here> and you'll (rightly) be attacked by other users, if not actually banned from whatever website you're posting on. Make the thinly veiled assumption that "travellers = trouble" and it's perfectly socially acceptable.

Rather depressing, really. I find it pretty bizarre how socially acceptable it is to stereotype and discriminate against two specific social groups in Ireland - travellers and people from "rough" areas or areas with a lot of council housing. When you actually meet some of these people it just makes you angry that society has decided it's ok to view them as second class citizens. I 100% guarantee you that the people who are objecting to this would be the same people who would object to the building of council flats on the same site. Probably the sort who would nonsensically tell you to "be careful" and "watch your back" if you casually mentioned that you were visiting a friend in somewhere like Gardiner St or Crumlin.

Idiots one and all.

Means Of Escape · 13-10-2015 08:35PM

efb wrote: »

Really? Evidence to back this up?

Attitude to education is a good starting point

The Talking Bread · 13-10-2015 09:01PM

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

Theeeeere it is

As long as they're not hurting anybody they should be free to live whatever way they want to live.

I'm always astounded by these threads. Travellers seem to be the one group that it's still ok to generalise about. Make such sweeping generalisations about Muslims, Northerners, Poles, or <insert ethnic / demographic sub-division here> and you'll (rightly) be attacked by other users, if not actually banned from whatever website you're posting on. Make the thinly veiled assumption that "travellers = trouble" and it's perfectly socially acceptable.

Rather depressing, really. I find it pretty bizarre how socially acceptable it is to stereotype and discriminate against two specific social groups in Ireland - travellers and people from "rough" areas or areas with a lot of council housing. When you actually meet some of these people it just makes you angry that society has decided it's ok to view them as second class citizens. I 100% guarantee you that the people who are objecting to this would be the same people who would object to the building of council flats on the same site. Probably the sort who would nonsensically tell you to "be careful" and "watch your back" if you casually mentioned that you were visiting a friend in somewhere like Gardiner St or Crumlin.

Idiots one and all.

Oh shut up. One you are completely taking what I said out of context. The previous inhabitants of the site that the residents are protecting did not behave as to what most people consider social standards. And no, people aren't entitled to shack up wherever they want. That is why there is planning permission for example. The houses they live in are council houses (or used to be) so I don't think that is the issue.

There is a big difference between a halting site and brick and mortar houses and you are the idiot if you think otherwise. Not alwas the case, far from it but there is a good chance that it won't be all plain sailing with a halting site 20 yards from your house.

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