Fire at a halting site in Dublin Mod Warning Post #1

FelineOverLord · 11-10-2015 04:36PM

Axton Little Pidgin wrote: »

Such nonsense with veiled discrimination. Of course the deaths of such numbers in a single fire would attract the same attention. You do realise how big a tragedy this is don't you? It's the greatest loss of life in a fire in this country since the Stardust disaster. 10 people have died. If the media or politicians were silent about it you'd probably complain about it too.

That's a bit much, and how dare you accuse me of discrimination. As for the Stardust disaster that was decades ago and was a fire in a nightclub not a fire in a house or a halting site. If you're seeing veiled discrimination you might want to take a look at yourself not accuse others of it.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 11-10-2015 05:46PM

FelineOverLord wrote: »

That's a bit much, and how dare you accuse me of discrimination. As for the Stardust disaster that was decades ago and was a fire in a nightclub not a fire in a house or a halting site. If you're seeing veiled discrimination you might want to take a look at yourself not accuse others of it.

You are the one drawing a distinction between the people involved in this tragedy and others, by asking would media/politicians be so involved had it been a settled family, not I. The Stardust was mentioned to show the scale of this disaster, as you seemed to think it didn't warrant such attention. So yes, sorry, but I dare.

whatismyname · 11-10-2015 05:54PM

Menas wrote: »

I would agree. I did not like those quotes in the indo as it almost felt as if they are pushing the whole grief porn further than is needed. 10 people died, we should not need quotes from them in the gutter press to understand the tragedy etc..

Agreed.

An incredible difference between RTE news which currently states

The names of the fire victims will not be released until formal identification of the bodies has been established and until relatives have been informed.

and the approach that the Independent took. Recent quotes from the dead. Naming them. Pictures of them, including the kids. Not ok.

Edit: The RTE News site has just been updated and they have now named the people who tragically died in the fire.

end of the road · 11-10-2015 05:56PM

FelineOverLord wrote: »

As for the Stardust disaster that was decades ago and was a fire in a nightclub not a fire in a house or a halting site.

doesn't matter what it was a fire in or not in.
it doesn't change the fact that this has been the greatist loss of life in a fire since Stardust. thats it

The Talking Bread · 11-10-2015 05:59PM

Give it up Feline. Your comments are nonsensical. Yes of course one of the points of discussion relate to the fact that they were living on a halting site but it's a complete sidepoint and has no bearings on the level of disaster or the outpourings of shock, sadness and condolences being outpoured and offered. Although the fire safety of the residence will no doubt be highlighted. But that has nothing to do with the politicians nor have they weighed in on it. Merely what those have offered is a showing of respect and condolences to the families involved. AND RIGHTLY SO.

10 PEOPLE DIED. Mothers, Father's, children, siblings. Do you expect the countries leaders to just shrug their weak shoulders and ignore the tragedy.

haveringchick · 11-10-2015 06:07PM

FelineOverLord wrote: »

It was a horrible tragedy, and I find it sickening that so many politicians are commenting on it, along with our President and Taoiseach. I doubt there'd be as much media/political focus on this if it were a settled family that died in a fire, cynical as that may sound. Hopefully the families will find the strength to come to terms with their loss and be given the privacy to do so.

This post is evidence that PC hysteria dictates that it's impossible for anybody in the public to do the "right thing on these occasions.
The country is just chock a block with people who wake up in the morning just full of anticipation that someone or something will have offended their highly sensitised sensibilities by 11am. This then allows them to give full vent to the sense of outrage and injustice that seems to overwhelm them through their waking hours.
Like can you please explain what exactly you mean by your allegation? In every country in the free world it's standard practice for that country's leaders to express condolences when a large scale tragedy occurs.
When have you seen the Taoiseach/ president not comment on an equivalent tragedy in the settled community and in what way do you think they are being discriminatory on this occasion?

whatismyname · 11-10-2015 06:18PM

Thought this was worth sharing...

Fundraising underway for Dublin fire victims

From http://www.u.tv/News/2015/10/11/Fundraising-underway-for-Dublin-fire-victims-46700

Fr Andrew O'Sullivan, parish priest from neighbouring St Patrick's Church Glencullen, said that local people would have the opportunity to help the families.

"It is a time of sadness and great loss for them,” he said.

“People are very much aware of the fragility of life and how these terrible tragedies can happen without any warning or notice."

He told parishioners: "We ask that people wanting to express their solidarity with the community, we have spoken to St Vincent's De Paul and if people wish to give in some way they may do so."

More details are due to be announced by the Catholic anti-poverty charity soon.

DeadHand · 11-10-2015 06:22PM

You know, I'd be the first to highlight and condemn virtue signalling and PC nonsense. But, in this case, the outpouring of condolence is justified, genuine and proper.

This is a national tragedy.

delahuntv · 11-10-2015 07:12PM

I think the issue with the politicians was the rush by some very early to get their statements on record - one party in particular effectively did a press release as the same statement was quoted in several media.

Comments by party leaders and president were more sympathetic and very much in the mood of a tragedy and quite different from the initial fight to be "mentioned "

Btw it was sf that had the "press release" style to all media.

The Talking Bread · 11-10-2015 07:43PM

delahuntv wrote: »

I think the issue with the politicians was the rush by some very early to get their statements on record - one party in particular effectively did a press release as the same statement was quoted in several media.

Comments by party leaders and president were more sympathetic and very much in the mood of a tragedy and quite different from the initial fight to be "mentioned "

Btw it was sf that had the "press release" style to all media.

The SF press release was a standard press release which covered the basic details of the tragedy without getting too detailed or tabloidesque. What other information would they have had to release other than the basic media knowledge of the tragedy.

They also had a local Carrkickmines SF Councillor offer his condolocences and express the enormity of the diisaster in the press release. It was a normal, standard and respectful press release for such a tragic event. They werent there to offer a literary opinion on the event.

I may be misinterpreting what you mean, if so please explain, but i found nothing wrong with the SF response. At the end of the day, of course there is an element of party politics involved in offering respect (that is why you see politicians at big funerals etc. But it is far more dignified than ignoring such an event at all)

Apologies if i misinterpreted you.

Notavirus.exe · 11-10-2015 07:56PM

RTE News has said that ten people died in the fire but they have named eleven people, what's up with that?

Source: http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/1011/733910-dublin-fire/

EDIT: Nevermind, I miscounted. Still a tragedy never the less.

FelineOverLord · 11-10-2015 10:09PM

Axton Little Pidgin wrote: »

You are the one drawing a distinction between the people involved in this tragedy and others, by asking would media/politicians be so involved had it been a settled family, not I. The Stardust was mentioned to show the scale of this disaster, as you seemed to think it didn't warrant such attention. So yes, sorry, but I dare.

Well you're talking crap. My disgust is at the politicians using it as a PR exercise. In my opinion they were expecting a November election and making any kind of media comment or showing up at the halting site was going to get their names mentioned, it's an old habit politicians turning up at funerals and the like and yes, I know it's not a funeral.

Their have been many incidents of families being killed in road traffic accidents etc since the Stardust but that doesn't get described as a national tragedy or have the politicians and statesmen wading in with a sound bite. Will the flags be at half mast for the young Garda killed this evening on the day of his funeral? I very much doubt it. It's not the time or the place to be arguing over this. People are dead and as I've already said, it's the political capital being made of it that bothers me.

Qualitymark · 11-10-2015 10:13PM

I'd be truly astonished, and horrified, if flags weren't at half-mast for a garda killed in the course of duty.

delahuntv · 11-10-2015 10:26PM

The Talking Bread wrote: »

The SF press release was a standard press release which covered the basic details of the tragedy without getting too detailed or tabloidesque. What other information would they have had to release other than the basic media knowledge of the tragedy.

They also had a local Carrkickmines SF Councillor offer his condolocences and express the enormity of the diisaster in the press release. It was a normal, standard and respectful press release for such a tragic event. They werent there to offer a literary opinion on the event.

I may be misinterpreting what you mean, if so please explain, but i found nothing wrong with the SF response. At the end of the day, of course there is an element of party politics involved in offering respect (that is why you see politicians at big funerals etc. But it is far more dignified than ignoring such an event at all)

Apologies if i misinterpreted you.

The sf press release was distasteful - it came before 9am and was very much designed to get publicity.

Subsequent dialogue was more muted, but a "press release" whilst fire was still being managed is just disgusting.

The Talking Bread · 11-10-2015 10:33PM

FelineOverLord wrote: »

Well you're talking crap. My disgust is at the politicians using it as a PR exercise. In my opinion they were expecting a November election and making any kind of media comment or showing up at the halting site was going to get their names mentioned, it's an old habit politicians turning up at funerals and the like and yes, I know it's not a funeral.

Their have been many incidents of families being killed in road traffic accidents etc since the Stardust but that doesn't get described as a national tragedy or have the politicians and statesmen wading in with a sound bite. Will the flags be at half mast for the young Garda killed this evening on the day of his funeral? I very much doubt it. It's not the time or the place to be arguing over this. People are dead and as I've already said, it's the political capital being made of it that bothers me.

the irony........................

Paramite Pie · 11-10-2015 10:49PM

FelineOverLord wrote: »

It was a horrible tragedy, and I find it sickening that so many politicians are commenting on it, along with our President and Taoiseach. I doubt there'd be as much media/political focus on this if it were a settled family that died in a fire, cynical as that may sound. Hopefully the families will find the strength to come to terms with their loss and be given the privacy to do so.

What was it that people said during the Berkley balcony tragedy? That there wouldn't be so much media/political focus if it weren't middle class South Dubliners? And didn't someone pose the question on this very forum would the politicians/media be out in force if it were travellers on that balcony?

People will see what they want. It's all in your head.

JP Liz V1 · 11-10-2015 11:34PM

RIP

Son Of A Vidic · 11-10-2015 11:57PM

I was shocked to hear of this terrible tragedy and the poor souls who lost their lives. May they RIP. My heart also goes out to the surviving family members and to those who were on the scene.

end of the road · 12-10-2015 12:44AM

FelineOverLord wrote: »

Well you're talking crap. My disgust is at the politicians using it as a PR exercise. In my opinion they were expecting a November election and making any kind of media comment or showing up at the halting site was going to get their names mentioned, it's an old habit politicians turning up at funerals and the like and yes, I know it's not a funeral.

Their have been many incidents of families being killed in road traffic accidents etc since the Stardust but that doesn't get described as a national tragedy or have the politicians and statesmen wading in with a sound bite. Will the flags be at half mast for the young Garda killed this evening on the day of his funeral? I very much doubt it. It's not the time or the place to be arguing over this. People are dead and as I've already said, it's the political capital being made of it that bothers me.

but your imagining it all and making up things that are not happening to suit some agenda. a number of people died at a single blow. of course it will get attention from politicians its the same in any country with mass deaths. someone being killed in a car crash while also tragic won't get the same attention in a country unless its someone well known. thats the reality, deal with it. yes, i should imagine the flags will be flown at half mast due to the death of a serving garda killed in the line of duty

Dan_Solo · 12-10-2015 09:51AM

delahuntv wrote: »

The sf press release was distasteful - it came before 9am and was very much designed to get publicity.

I've seen SF accused of all sorts on boards but "getting up early in the morning" is a new one to add to their charge sheet.

AudreyHepburn · 12-10-2015 10:47AM

It says a lot about the mindset of people in this country that ten people can die in horrific circumstance and all they can do is criticize politicians for doing what we are all doing; expressing sympathy and condolences to those involved.

There is no PR exercise at work, no ulterior motives.

Ten people are dead in tragic circumstances....leave the politician bashing out of it. It's unnecessary and uncalled for.

RIP to all those poor people and condolences to those left behind.

AlanG · 12-10-2015 11:45AM

FelineOverLord wrote: »

It was a horrible tragedy, and I find it sickening that so many politicians are commenting on it, along with our President and Taoiseach.

You should educate yourself as to the role of our Public Representatives - they are there to represent and express public views and these are the two elected heads of our state. Most people feel this is a terrible tragedy and they are the people we have elected to represent our views.

FelineOverLord · 12-10-2015 11:53AM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

It says a lot about the mindset of people in this country that ten people can die in horrific circumstance and all they can do is criticize politicians for doing what we are all doing; expressing sympathy and condolences to those involved.

There is no PR exercise at work, no ulterior motives.

Ten people are dead in tragic circumstances....leave the politician bashing out of it. It's unnecessary and uncalled for.

RIP to all those poor people and condolences to those left behind.

You must be very naive.

AudreyHepburn · 12-10-2015 11:56AM

FelineOverLord wrote: »

You must be very naive.

No, not even remotely.

I'm just not so blinded by senseless hatred that I have turn every bad thing that happens to a government bashing exercise.

The Talking Bread · 12-10-2015 12:18PM

FelineOverLord wrote: »

You must be very naive.

Genuinely, would you have preferred them to behave like this horribe tragedy never occurred and just spout on about our rugby and soccer teams this weekend.

What age are you????? These are (meant to be anyway) figureheads of the state. In fact in other countries, political leaders are far more invasive in people's affairs.

I can't believe some people are so paranoid and nauseatingly obsessed with politicians that now they are criticising them for offering respect and condolences to a family after a MASSIVE TRAGEDY, the biggest taking of lives in a fire since Stardust except this is a whole family.

Their words don't offer any healing power. But nor do funerals, nor do flags at half mast, nor does the minute silence observed in Warsaw for the victims last night.

These are things done out of respect. Go to any other country and you will witness the same thing from public figureheads at a time of tragedy. People aren't naive enough to say "ah I'll vote for him, he has just offered respect to ten lives that have been taken, he must have great empathy and clearly his party will be great in power"

Of course politics is about popularity and of course it's about touching Base with the people, whether in times of adversity, tragedy or even times of achievement (like sports). But quote me one politician over the weekend who's words weren't sympathetic, respectful and non invasive. They were standard offerings of condolences.

Now stop this paranoid waffle.

12-10-2015 12:21PM

Mod

FelineOverLord - take your agenda elsewhere. It's not welcome here.

I'm concerned at the basic lack of respect people seem to be capable of retaining this morning on a number of threads.

12-10-2015 12:25PM

Mod

FelineOverLord has in fact been banned for taking her agenda off thread.

Please do not respond to any of her posts as she is unable to respond.

jmayo · 12-10-2015 01:27PM

Speaking as someone who is not a fan of the traveller community or more particular a chunk of them involved in all sorts of illegal and anti social activity, I can't understand how people both here and elsewhere can't have anything but pity for the survivors and the families of those who lost their lives in such a tragedy.

Some people must real be disgusting individuals if they can't look at the pictures of those little children that perished and not feel some form of sadness or empathy.

Instead we have everything from petty point scoring at the media, politicians, middle class, religion, etc to downright sick comments about there now being less crime, less social welfare.

If you have nothing good to say then say nothing.

I have children the same age as some of those killed in the fire and I dread to think how terrible it must be to the families concerned.
How horrible for those lives to be cut short so ruthlessly.

RIP to all those lost.

whatismyname · 13-10-2015 05:04PM

Disgraceful. I really don't understand some humans at all.

Emergency accommodation for survivors of Carrickmines fire blocked by local residents

http://www.newstalk.com/Emergency-accommodation-for-survivors-of-Carrickmines-fire-blocked-by-local-residents

Emergency accommodation for the survivors of the Carrickmines fire has been blocked by local residents.

Members of the South Dublin community have used cars and heavy machinery to cut off access to a site at Glenamuck Cottages, close to the site of Saturday's fatal fire.

The Southside Traveller Action Group claims permission had been given by the local County Council for a family of 15 to move on to a temporary halting site on Thursday.

However settled residents have objected to the move.

The Talking Bread · 13-10-2015 05:20PM

whatismyname wrote: »

Disgraceful. I really don't understand some humans at all.

Emergency accommodation for survivors of Carrickmines fire blocked by local residents

http://www.newstalk.com/Emergency-accommodation-for-survivors-of-Carrickmines-fire-blocked-by-local-residents

there is possibly more to this story than glorified tabloid the lndependent may want to divulge tbh. i'll reserve judgement

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