Fire at a halting site in Dublin Mod Warning Post #1

eviltwin · 11-10-2015 10:50AM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I'm actually not, it was in response to a post above mine that I didn't quote saying why aren't unofficial halting sites conforming to health and safety obligations.

It's not really the place for it is it? It's a tragic event, no less tragic because of the living arrangements.

Very Bored · 11-10-2015 11:21AM

Right now their living arrangements, lifestyle and anything else which is difficult for settled people to understand is absolutely, completely and utterly irrelevant. We are talking about a group of human beings who have suffered a terrible tragedy. Its terrible that people have died in such circumstances and is going to be very difficult for those left behind to pick up the pieces. To wish the survivors well in their road to recovery would seem inappropriate at this moment in time. I just hope they can find some way of coping.

whatismyname · 11-10-2015 11:23AM

Very Bored wrote: »

To wish the survivors well in their road to recovery would seem inappropriate at this moment in time.

Why do you believe this would seem inappropriate at this moment in time? (For clarification, I don't know whether I agree or disagree, but there is no purpose behind me asking, other than to get context and understand your perspective).

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 11-10-2015 11:28AM

JustTheOne wrote: »

A lot of travellers want to live in their caravans and have refused houses.

Please stop with your agenda.

Agenda?? What the actual ****? I have no agenda, nor do I know the ins and outs of the layout of halting sites, I simply made a comment to a post that suggested halting sites were unsafe.

It's an absolute tragedy that so many people lost their lives, in absolutely horrific circumstances but Jesus Christ, the bang of hypocrisy in this thread from some posters.

To clarify my thoughts before the bleeding hearts are waiting to pounce on something that was never said :
it's awful they died in such circumstances
"Should have/if they had" arguments doesn't change the fact 10 people died

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 11-10-2015 11:30AM

eviltwin wrote: »

It's not really the place for it is it? It's a tragic event, no less tragic because of the living arrangements.

And that sentiment was actually what I had when I posted the original post, despite it being clumsy.

Very Bored · 11-10-2015 11:32AM

@Whatismyname

Wishing them well seems pathetic at this moment in time. Wishing them well for what? Picking up the pieces of their destroyed lives? Coping with the fact that so many of their loved ones have gone in such painful circumstances and so quickly? If it was me, I think I'd struggle to cope at all. Hence why I hope they find some way to do just that. Maybe slow down a bit, think whilst you read someone's comments and stop jumping the gun that anything anyone says which you don't agree with has to have been said with some badness as part of the motive.

whatismyname · 11-10-2015 11:37AM

Very Bored wrote: »

@Whatismyname

Maybe slow down a bit, think whilst you read someone's comments and stop jumping the gun that anything anyone says which you don't agree with has to have been said with some badness as part of the motive.

I have not jumped the gun about anything, and I have not presumed that anyone that someone says that I don't agree with has been said with some badness or part of some motive.

I asked for clarification behind an opinion that you stated.

I neither indicated agreement or disagreement with your statement, was unsure of the bigger picture behind the statement, hence asked the reasoning behind it.

Might be best not to make presumptions behind someone asking a question that are not there.

Means Of Escape · 11-10-2015 11:48AM

The Blame Game has begun in earnest on the Marian Finucane Show

Very Bored · 11-10-2015 11:50AM

@Whatismyname

You jumped on one statement within a whole paragraph that I had written. You didn't take it in context. Its clear what you were trying to do. However, this is not the place for silly squabbling so my final comment on this is to reiterate that I hope the surviving members of the family find some way of coping. There's nothing else to say.

G_R · 11-10-2015 11:56AM

Mod

Very Bored/Whatismyname,

Knock it off please

Guy:Incognito · 11-10-2015 12:22PM

strelok wrote: »

if there was a fire in an apartment complex, the article would have said there was a fire in an apartment complex.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/dublin-apartment-complex-evacuated-following-fire-31310008.html

As well as that, you generally dont get as many casualties in a normal house or apartment fire because it doesnt spread through brick walls anywhere near as fast as through a caravan or prefab type unit.

Qualitymark · 11-10-2015 12:33PM

I hope I haven't invaded the privacy of the family by quoting the Indo's quoting of the young mother's statements. My intention was to show that this was a family like our own.

whatismyname · 11-10-2015 12:35PM

Qualitymark wrote: »

I hope I haven't invaded the privacy of the family by quoting the Indo's quoting of the young mother's statements. My intention was to show that this was a family like our own.

To be honest, I don't think you have. I personally think that the Indo may not have acted completely inappropriately (open to opinion, of course, and that's just mine), but you're just sharing what is already out there that people can already see, and many have already read. Just my opinion, but you're just sharing what's already in the media and I think you're fine.

uck51js9zml2yt · 11-10-2015 01:04PM

Just been announced that there will be a minutes silence at tonight's match and flags will fly at half mast on the day of the funeral.

Samaris · 11-10-2015 01:12PM

The flags will be flying on Government buildings at half-mast and there'll be a minute silence at the match for both the dead here and the victims in Ankara.

My feelings on that are mixed, like in the news bulletin where it was updating that X political figure was registering their sorrow at what had happened. Sorta "oy, you're not the important ones in this, it's the families that are" and yeeet...

It's a nice gesture, a sign of solidarity and support and it shows again just how small a country we are, that we feel for the losses and tragedies of others, even if our only real connection (most of us, there's a few even in this thread who lived nearby and/or knew them) is that they were Irish.

Means Of Escape · 11-10-2015 01:28PM

Red Kev wrote: »

Could also be a tragic accident. Maybe wait for some evidence before reaching a conclusion or wild speculation.

Cooking oil reaching flash point judging by the destruction .

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 11-10-2015 01:35PM

Means Of Escape wrote: »

Cooking oil reaching flash point judging by the destruction .

As the post you quoted rightly said, maybe wait for actual evidence before you wildly speculate. Anyway, the cause is immaterial at this juncture.

expectationlost · 11-10-2015 02:25PM

Ghost Train wrote: »

Here's street view, shows the size of site, several mobile homes & caravans in small enough space
https://www.google.ie/maps/@53.2424014,-6.1908419,3a,75y,101.54h,75.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sFwDo8geaythYMzSMGICEdw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656?hl=en

https://www.bing.com/maps/?v=2&cp=53.242185~-6.189399&lvl=18&sty=h&form=LMLTCC

that photo shows mobile homes, but the photos in Daily Mail show all portacabins, I hope they were meant for people to live in.

Menas · 11-10-2015 02:29PM

whatismyname wrote: »

To be honest, I don't think you have. I personally think that the Indo may not have acted completely inappropriately (open to opinion, of course, and that's just mine), but you're just sharing what is already out there that people can already see, and many have already read. Just my opinion, but you're just sharing what's already in the media and I think you're fine.

I would agree. I did not like those quotes in the indo as it almost felt as if they are pushing the whole grief porn further than is needed. 10 people died, we should not need quotes from them in the gutter press to understand the tragedy etc..

My name is URL · 11-10-2015 02:31PM

Samaris wrote: »

It's a nice gesture, a sign of solidarity and support and it shows again just how small a country we are

The lowering of flags has lost all meaning since the government decided to do it following the death of that scumbag Saudi king a few months ago

Nothing more than a cheap headline grabber and ego pleaser for politicians and parties at this stage

Means Of Escape · 11-10-2015 02:35PM

My name is URL wrote: »

The lowering of flags has lost all meaning since the government decided to do it following the death of that scumbag Saudi king a few months ago

Nothing more than a cheap headline grabber for politicians and parties at this stage

Hopefully the programme sending Irish flags to all national schools will put flag etiquette back in focus.

expectationlost · 11-10-2015 02:46PM

Means Of Escape wrote: »

Hopefully the programme sending Irish flags to all national schools will put flag etiquette back in focus.

are you Sheldon Cooper?

FelineOverLord · 11-10-2015 02:56PM

It was a horrible tragedy, and I find it sickening that so many politicians are commenting on it, along with our President and Taoiseach. I doubt there'd be as much media/political focus on this if it were a settled family that died in a fire, cynical as that may sound. Hopefully the families will find the strength to come to terms with their loss and be given the privacy to do so.

DeadHand · 11-10-2015 03:05PM

FelineOverLord wrote: »

I doubt there'd be as much media/political focus on this if it were a settled family that died in a fire

Of course there would.

Diamond Doll · 11-10-2015 03:14PM

FelineOverLord wrote: »

It was a horrible tragedy, and I find it sickening that so many politicians are commenting on it, along with our President and Taoiseach. I doubt there'd be as much media/political focus on this if it were a settled family that died in a fire, cynical as that may sound. Hopefully the families will find the strength to come to terms with their loss and be given the privacy to do so.

Ah now.

On the one hand, you've people giving out that the Berkeley victims got more attention/coverage than these victims.

On the other hand, you've people like you saying that this tragedy is only getting so much attention/coverage because it's travellers involved.

You can't win. :rolleyes:

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 11-10-2015 03:23PM

FelineOverLord wrote: »

It was a horrible tragedy, and I find it sickening that so many politicians are commenting on it, along with our President and Taoiseach. I doubt there'd be as much media/political focus on this if it were a settled family that died in a fire, cynical as that may sound. Hopefully the families will find the strength to come to terms with their loss and be given the privacy to do so.

Such nonsense with veiled discrimination. Of course the deaths of such numbers in a single fire would attract the same attention. You do realise how big a tragedy this is don't you? It's the greatest loss of life in a fire in this country since the Stardust disaster. 10 people have died. If the media or politicians were silent about it you'd probably complain about it too.

DanielODonnell · 11-10-2015 03:50PM

The Maguire travellers are causing a bit of bother in my local region recently but I dislike how catholics talk about the travellers as the protestants used to talk about us in such light.

G_R · 11-10-2015 03:58PM

DanielODonnell wrote: »

The Maguire travellers are causing a bit of bother in my local region recently but I dislike how catholics talk about the travellers as the protestants used to talk about us in such light.

Mod

Nothing to do with the fire. Stay on topic please.

The Talking Bread · 11-10-2015 04:00PM

FelineOverLord wrote: »

It was a horrible tragedy, and I find it sickening that so many politicians are commenting on it, along with our President and Taoiseach. I doubt there'd be as much media/political focus on this if it were a settled family that died in a fire, cynical as that may sound. Hopefully the families will find the strength to come to terms with their loss and be given the privacy to do so.

This was a massive domestic tragedy. One of the worst domestic fires in decades. Yet you think it is sickening for leaders of our nation to offer condolences.

Tarzana2 · 11-10-2015 04:16PM

FelineOverLord wrote: »

I doubt there'd be as much media/political focus on this if it were a settled family that died in a fire, cynical as that may sound.

Ten people dying in a house fire? Of course there would be comment from politicians. I still remember the big deal there was about this house fire and it's nearly twenty years ago.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/fire-claims-seventh-member-of-laois-family-1.55858

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