Fire at a halting site in Dublin Mod Warning Post #1

dublinman1990 · 10-10-2015 10:53PM

This story is truly heartbreaking. What a shocking end on what is meant to be a peaceful night's sleep for the kids and for their families.

RIP to them all.

haveringchick · 10-10-2015 10:56PM

Seems such an idyllic spot for such an unspeakable tragedy.
The Traveller culture is difficult for settled folk to get to grips with.
Of course we all know that some are criminals, as are some settled folk.
But the vast majority simply want to get on with they're lives.
Living in close contact with extended family in cramped conditions is part of the culture. In this instance it's ended in horror. So sad. But don't let's turn it into a blame game.

nullzero · 10-10-2015 10:56PM

Axel Lamp wrote: »

My response upon learning it happened at a halting site: meh

I've had fights with travellers, taken all kinds of abuse from them, have had them hurl insults as well as missiles at me, and hit me more than once but I can do nothing but empathize with the plight of children who have burned alive.

Ulysses Gaze · 10-10-2015 10:57PM

Axel Lamp wrote: »

My response upon learning it happened at a halting site: meh

My thoughts when I read this post?

http://static.giantbomb.com/uploads/original/13/136085/2479220-1578648373-gw-cl.gif

deex · 10-10-2015 10:59PM

Axel Lamp wrote: »

My response upon learning it happened at a halting site: meh

So a child's life is worthless based on the community they happened to be born in? Or the presumed sins of their parents - based off nothing more than a stereotype?

I know AH is the place for off-colour remarks and controversial statements but Jesus Christ, HOW do you post stuff like that? A family has burned, and it could just as easily have happened to you or me.

dd972 · 10-10-2015 10:59PM

If you can ''tell one'' the minute you ''see one'', you should f**k right off of this thread.

RIP

tomwaterford · 10-10-2015 11:01PM

Axel Lamp wrote: »

My response upon learning it happened at a halting site: meh

But cared enough to seek out and post on the Internet?? :rolleyes:

humanji · 10-10-2015 11:03PM

MOD: Folks, just report the morons who are trolling. Don't waste your time replying to them.

10-10-2015 11:04PM

Axel Lamp wrote: »

My response upon learning it happened at a halting site: meh

MOD: Take a week off to learn how to be a human.

Who was the mod?

I'd just like to say thanks to whoever it was for moving so quickly and decisively.

Edit..assuming it was humaji...thanks.

Chocolate girl · 10-10-2015 11:06PM

Such a tragedy for all involved. So many lives lost and so many changed forever. Thinking of the rescue team also very hard day for them they do amazing work.

whatismyname · 10-10-2015 11:08PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Who was the mod?

I'd just like to say thanks to whoever it was for moving so quickly and decisively.

Edit..assuming it was humaji...thanks.

Agreed, and yep I'd say it was humanji since it was edited by them

10-10-2015 11:17PM

How coming halting sites seem to never be subject to health and safety observations?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 10-10-2015 11:35PM

Because in this day and age people should not be living in caravans on a site that doesn't have running water or toilet facilities

GraphicGaming · 10-10-2015 11:35PM

I was in town this morning about 7ish and could see smoke from the samuel becket bridge. Was this from that fire if it was then that was serious. Poor familes.

whatismyname · 10-10-2015 11:41PM

Book of condolence opened.

Books of condolence will be opened tomorrow in the community around Carrickmines in Dublin, for ten people who died after a fire at a halting site.

The books will be located at Leopardstown Shopping Centre, Centra Stepaside, The Market in Belarmine, and at customer services in Dundrum Town Centre.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/1010/733747-dublin-fire/

Odelay · 10-10-2015 11:56PM

whatismyname wrote: »

Book of condolence opened.

http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/1010/733747-dublin-fire/

Hopefully some of the negative morans on here and on the journal.ie won't be writing their "witty" comments on the books of condolence.

Ghost Train · 10-10-2015 11:59PM

GraphicGaming wrote: »

I was in town this morning about 7ish and could see smoke from the samuel becket bridge. Was this from that fire if it was then that was serious. Poor familes.

Photo on twitter near carrickmines retail park at around 7.30 shows the smoke
http://i.imgur.com/rIM7U8W.jpg

whatismyname · 10-10-2015 11:59PM

Odelay wrote: »

Hopefully some of the negative morans on here and on the journal.ie won't be writing their "witty" comments on the books of condolence.

Never thought of that. Hoping that it's more of a 'keyboard warrior' mentality, as that would be a truly scummy thing to do.

Thomas OBrien01 · 11-10-2015 12:07AM

Makes me sad to hear of young children and babies being hurt and killed in this fire. No matter what it's about should not involve children getting hurt.

Spanish Eyes · 11-10-2015 12:19AM

There are really no words for this.

I just hope they went unconscious due to the fumes. Anything else doesn't bear thinking about.

May they all rest in peace.

JupiterKid · 11-10-2015 04:05AM

This is a terrible tragedy. RIP to the victims.

djflawless · 11-10-2015 04:08AM

Why is halting site mentioned??
Couldn't thread title just be "fire in Carrickmines?"
I fail to see why a fire in a halting site or housing estate or apartment complex should be any differently worded...

Qualitymark · 11-10-2015 07:42AM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Because in this day and age people should not be living in caravans on a site that doesn't have running water or toilet facilities

A good basic point - of course people should have houses and apartments to live in, @LexieOnRale. However, you're making assumptions here that aren't warranted. The family were living in Portacabins - which is definitely a living space that would worry me if they were my daughter, son-in-law and grandchildren - but which is, after all, the housing that makes up plenty of our rural schools. And the site is owned and serviced by the county council, which installed wired-in smoke alarms; presumably the council, if it did this, also ran in plumbing for sinks, showers and toilets.

One of the newspapers reported that a spark from a barrel may have caused the fire. So if could as easily have happened to any Dublin 4 family with their cheminée after an evening barbecue.

strelok · 11-10-2015 08:02AM

djflawless wrote: »

Why is halting site mentioned??
Couldn't thread title just be "fire in Carrickmines?"
I fail to see why a fire in a halting site or housing estate or apartment complex should be any differently worded...

if there was a fire in an apartment complex, the article would have said there was a fire in an apartment complex.

http://www.independent.ie/irish-news/news/dublin-apartment-complex-evacuated-following-fire-31310008.html

Qualitymark · 11-10-2015 08:12AM

From the Indo, quoting one of the victims of the fire, young mother Tara Gilbert:

On August 10 she wrote: "Today I felt happiness that I can't even remember the last time I felt it. I'm going to be a mammy again. We are so happy and so are the girls. Another bundle of joy to [add] to our little family who I would die for," she posted.
Two weeks ago she had touchingly described how her young daughter Jodie had surprised her with a breakfast in bed of scrambled eggs saying it was for her mother and the baby.
Tara said: "She's just a little heart melter she's so excited."

dixiefly · 11-10-2015 08:19AM

djflawless wrote: »

Why is halting site mentioned??
Couldn't thread title just be "fire in Carrickmines?"
I fail to see why a fire in a halting site or housing estate or apartment complex should be any differently worded...

Are you serious? Of course it is relevant.

Your point is political correctness gone mad.

haveringchick · 11-10-2015 08:55AM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

Because in this day and age people should not be living in caravans on a site that doesn't have running water or toilet facilities

The site is plumbed wired etc and the local authority had fitted the dwellings with smoke alarms. Why are you trying to introduce an agenda on the back of such pitiless loss of life?

qo2cj1dsne8y4k · 11-10-2015 10:04AM

haveringchick wrote: »

The site is plumbed wired etc and the local authority had fitted the dwellings with smoke alarms. Why are you trying to introduce an agenda on the back of such pitiless loss of life?

I'm actually not, it was in response to a post above mine that I didn't quote saying why aren't unofficial halting sites conforming to health and safety obligations.

JustTheOne · 11-10-2015 10:07AM

LexieOnRale wrote: »

I'm actually not, it was in response to a post above mine that I didn't quote saying why aren't unofficial halting sites conforming to health and safety obligations.

A lot of travellers want to live in their caravans and have refused houses.

Please stop with your agenda.

whatismyname · 11-10-2015 10:34AM

Qualitymark wrote: »

From the Indo, quoting one of the victims of the fire, young mother Tara Gilbert:

The headline on the same Indo article is 'Dublin Fire Tragedy: The family who are feared to be dead'. I'm fairly sure it'll be them, but if it's not confirmed why not wait to report the details of who it was? It just doesn't seem right.

And recent quotes from the lady who has died look like they have been taken from stuff she said on social media, probably facebook. Again, I don't know about others, but this doesn't seem right to me. I'm guessing her facebook page was set to public, and media can see her postings. But I just kinda feel like she can't consent to stuff she said on her social media page being quoted in the media, so it doesn't feel right for the media to take stuff off there.

Maybe if people choose to put stuff on social media that can be viewed by anyone, it's others for the taking anyhow, I don't know the technicalities of it, but I guess it's more about respect and stuff, rather than if they're allowed to do it, and it just feel quite right to me.

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