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TerrorFirmer · 10-10-2015 08:45PM

I thought the Old Blood was deadly, actually preferred it to The New Order!

As for the card upgrade if your PC is 5 years old, you might want to say what CPU you have first because that could be a bad bottleneck dependent on what it is.

challengemaster · 10-10-2015 09:52PM

Is the GTX750Ti much of an upgrade over a GTX460 1gb? Found out I'll be starting a PhD in feb meaning I'll be able to do a full rig rebuild around then. I was looking at GTX950s, now I'm thinking get the cheapest upgrade to tide over gaming until then.

If the 750 isn't a huge upgrade I might just go for a 950 and sell it on later.

TerrorFirmer · 10-10-2015 10:19PM

Yeah it's a lot better. I was using a 750Ti just until today (while waiting for my new 390X

) and playing Battlefield 4 at high settings 1080P at 60fps.

It's a stellar budget card, Nvidia killed AMD stone-dead in the sub €150 market with it.

challengemaster · 10-10-2015 10:27PM

I don't quite think I'll get those returns on it.... I only have a measly FX6300 to pair it with. Hence the overall big upgrade in the future

I reckon it'll match your 750Ti / G3220 rig, however that performs.

AlmightyCushion · 10-10-2015 10:36PM

challengemaster wrote: »

Is the GTX750Ti much of an upgrade over a GTX460 1gb? Found out I'll be starting a PhD in feb meaning I'll be able to do a full rig rebuild around then. I was looking at GTX950s, now I'm thinking get the cheapest upgrade to tide over gaming until then.

If the 750 isn't a huge upgrade I might just go for a 950 and sell it on later.

Is it really worth getting anything right now seeing as you're going to be building a new PC in 4 months. Seems a little wasteful to buy something you aren't carrying over.

Digital Solitude · 10-10-2015 10:36PM

I'd keep the 6300 until you can get an i3

booooring! · 10-10-2015 10:37PM

Anyone here ever use a chromebook. Like the idea their quick and excellent battery life.
Considering getting the 15.6 inch below.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00U7EMUVG/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1444512644&sr=8-1&pi=SX200_QL40&keywords=acer+chromebook+15&dpPl=1&dpID=51VG2jWn-6L&ref=plSrch

Decent processor, SSD for the price. Really just be using to watch matches, browse, youtube the odd film and to vpn to my own desktop when away. Seems like a decent price. There a bit limited but always a work around

challengemaster · 10-10-2015 10:45PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Is it really worth getting anything right now seeing as you're going to be building a new PC in 4 months. Seems a little wasteful to buy something you aren't carrying over.

That's one side of it alright... but those 4 months will have a LOT of gaming crammed into them. I wouldn't mind being able to boost up the settings a bit, enjoy it while I can

Also the old rig isn't just going to vanish... while it won't be carried over, the FX6300/GTX750Ti rig (for arguments sake) will still be kept.

Digital Solitude wrote: »

I'd keep the 6300 until you can get an i3

No plans to touch the 6300 until a full rebuild. Will probably go for an i5 then.

AlmightyCushion · 10-10-2015 10:56PM

booooring! wrote: »

Anyone here ever use a chromebook. Like the idea their quick and excellent battery life.
Considering getting the 15.6 inch below.
http://www.amazon.co.uk/gp/aw/d/B00U7EMUVG/ref=mp_s_a_1_1?qid=1444512644&sr=8-1&pi=SX200_QL40&keywords=acer+chromebook+15&dpPl=1&dpID=51VG2jWn-6L&ref=plSrch

Decent processor, SSD for the price. Really just be using to watch matches, browse, youtube the odd film and to vpn to my own desktop when away. Seems like a decent price. There a bit limited but always a work around

It's been a while since I used one but last I checked they were pretty crap at playing movies. You can't just stick VLC player on it.

booooring! · 10-10-2015 11:01PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

It's been a while since I used one but last I checked they were pretty crap at playing movies. You can't just stick VLC player on it.

This one has a decent processor. 1600 on cpu benchmark which is pretty decent for the price. Pc world has them so going to test it their tomorrow to see what its like b4 buying off amazon. Also going to test the VPN and there's currently a few video apps so hopefully should be grand.

booooring! · 10-10-2015 11:13PM

challengemaster wrote: »

I don't quite think I'll get those returns on it.... I only have a measly FX6300 to pair it with. Hence the overall big upgrade in the future I reckon it'll match your 750Ti / G3220 rig, however that performs.

6300 is a Dam good processor. Unless your gaming at 144 hz then honestly don't see the need for Intel if you have a fx6300 allready. It will play any game you throw at it very well. Yes Intel is better but have a look at gaming cpu benchmarks before making your mind up as not as a lot of games are only slightly behind Intel. If you have the cash go for it but for an extra 10 fps and maybe a 10 fps lower drop than Intel is it really wort it at 60 hz? My answer is no as will still be over the 60 hz
http://www.techspot.com/review/979-battlefield-hardline-benchmarks/page5.html
http://www.techspot.com/review/1006-the-witcher-3-benchmarks/page5.html
http://www.techspot.com/review/670-metro-last-light-performance/page6.html
Intel significantly better in far cry but still over the magical 60 hz number.
http://www.techspot.com/review/917-far-cry-4-benchmarks/page5.html
Get something like an r9 280x or a gtx 960 even second hand for 130-140 hand and you will have an excellent gaming rig. You don't need to spend a fortune on it as you have the core components allready.

Would I recommend i5 over fx 6300 if buying a new processor, absolutely. No doubt its the better processor. Would I recommend someone upgrading to an i5 with an fx 6300 allready playing at 60 hz? No wtf is the point?

TerrorFirmer · 11-10-2015 10:51AM

The FX6300 is still fine, but there are some games which AMD has a much rougher time in compared to Intel - the massive advantage of 4th gen i3/2nd gen i5+ is that there are no games in which you can't rely on rock solid performance - but you just cannot say that about the Fx6300 or even the 8350.

It's easy to find benchmarks which show the FX6300/6350 or FX8320/8350 struggling to reach 55-60fps - and sometimes, even losing to €50 Intel processors. Also for example, that BF Hardline Benchmark is single player, which is a pointless benchmark. If you look at CPU charts for multiplayer the i3 and i5 are much better, similar average framerates but the minimum's are much better. People tend to focus way too much on average framerates, when minimums are a much better indication.

That is why I consider the FX line totally redundant for gamers. It's the same reason I consider the G3258K a pointless buy as well. It runs great in 80% of games, but for that 20%, it just isn't reliable at all. I had a G3258 heavily overclocked with a GTX980 for testing and in most games it was stellar, but in an odd few the average frames were solid but the minimums were terrible. And when that happens, even if its only one or two games, the processor instantly becomes redundant.

So yes, I would say that someone looking to upgrade from an Fx6300 to a 4th or 5th gen i5 is making a good choice, for both now and the future.

Sofiztikated · 11-10-2015 11:50AM

Sorry guys.

I'm running the following, along with the Sapphire 6870.

i5 2400
H61M motherboard
8GB RAM
450W Super Flower
wrapped up in a Xigmatek Asgard 2 (or 3, can't quite remember which one, it's a big, black case.)

TerrorFirmer · 11-10-2015 12:19PM

It's perfectly fine then, still up at the higher end of the CPU charts for the latest games.

Up to you as to how much you want to spend on Fallout 4 really, but I would expect a GTX960 2GB at around €200 to run the game at 1080P high-ultra settings perfectly.

I get where you're coming from though, I've been looking forward for FO4 since finishing FO3 - I bought a 390X 8GB recently and it was mostly with FO4 in mind. I plan playing the game for 100's of hours and it's money well spent in my opinion! Even though I don't play many other games, mostly BF4 but that runs grand on far cheaper cards.

You could also consider second hand cards, something like a 2GB GTX680 or 3GB HD7970 are still really good cards and sells for about €140 second hand.

SterlingArcher · 11-10-2015 12:48PM

TerrorFirmer wrote: »

It's perfectly fine then, still up at the higher end of the CPU charts for the latest games.

Up to you as to how much you want to spend on Fallout 4 really, but I would expect a GTX960 2GB at around €200 to run the game at 1080P high-ultra settings perfectly.

I get where you're coming from though, I've been looking forward for FO4 since finishing FO3 - I bought a 390X 8GB recently and it was mostly with FO4 in mind. I plan playing the game for 100's of hours and it's money well spent in my opinion! Even though I don't play many other games, mostly BF4 but that runs grand on far cheaper cards.

You could also consider second hand cards, something like a 2GB GTX680 or 3GB HD7970 are still really good cards and sells for about €140 second hand.

This. Lots of decent second hand cards ask here if you in any unsure about one .make sure your Psu has the proper pci express connections.

Sofiztikated · 11-10-2015 01:03PM

Cheers guys.

It's a decent rig, and it's taken what I can throw at it since I got it, but I've just gotten it into my head I need a beast of an upgrade to run FO4.

As Terror Firmer said, I've been silently giddy since FO4 was announced. A good offline game that can suck me in for hours is what I need right now, and I just want to be able to run the thing in the way it's meant to look.

I'd never think of a second hand card, I'm a bit of a clown that way. Does anyone have an suggestions (or cards of their own they are shifting?) €350 is really my top end budget, but around €200 would be ideal.

Managed to fix my AV receiver yesterday, it's been borked for over a year, so sound is sorted, looking forward to the visual is the next thing to get right. A new TV would be class, but not in the budget right now. I've fallen in love with those curved 4K screens, was in Currys the other day for the first time in AGES, and saw one in the flesh. They look realer than real life, I was stunned!

ShadowHearth · 11-10-2015 05:40PM

Guys, where do you do your parts shoping for full systems? I know hardwareversad is not an option anymore.

Digital Solitude · 11-10-2015 05:42PM

Mindfactory, Amazon and computeruniverse

TerrorFirmer · 11-10-2015 06:08PM

Amazon, Overclockers, Dabs (though less so lately). I tend to avoid the European sites as it's more of a pain in the event of issues.

challengemaster · 11-10-2015 06:40PM

Thanks guys, ordered a 750Ti and a hyper 212 Evo to try get the most of the FX

TerrorFirmer · 11-10-2015 06:42PM

challengemaster wrote: »

Thanks guys, ordered a 750Ti and a hyper 212 Evo to try get the most of the FX

It'll be fine. It's not a processor I'd want paired with a GTX970 or R9 390 personally but anything below that really is perfectly fine, the 750Ti will limit you before the 6300 does realistically. The 212 is a good buy though because you can carry that over down the line, great cooler.

challengemaster · 11-10-2015 07:09PM

Yeah, can't really beat the price either.

What's the best bang for buck in storage these days?

Digital Solitude · 11-10-2015 07:14PM

WD Blues are always a safe call at lower capacities anyways

SSD wise, Crucials are decent afaik

ShadowHearth · 11-10-2015 07:43PM

Cheers lads.
Will try to see if I cam build a microatx pc for 600eu as I can't get a decent laptop for gaming. Looks like market is filled with very cheap crap or very expensive power houses. No middle ground at all.

So as it's micro pc I would be able just to move around from my bedroom to misses house and keep monitor at her place.

Skyline i3 paired with mini 960 would be decent for 1080p gaming?

Digital Solitude · 11-10-2015 07:50PM

You'd be pulling 30fps at Ultra at the very minimum.

12-10-2015 11:18AM

challengemaster wrote: »

Yeah, can't really beat the price either.

What's the best bang for buck in storage these days?

Last time it came up (just did that upgrade round myself), people were recommending WD Red/Blues for HDD and for SDD, Samsung (highest performance/cost, Crucial (good trade off between the two), or Sandisk(cheap).

VenomIreland · 15-10-2015 04:58PM

What sort of hardware would be required for 3 U2515Hs in Nvidia Surround? I've a GTX 780 and I was considering picking up another second hand (with a new PSU also to power it!), would that be enough for most stuff over 3 monitors with lowered settings?

AlmightyCushion · 15-10-2015 05:02PM

VenomIreland wrote: »

What sort of hardware would be required for 3 U2515Hs in Nvidia Surround? I've a GTX 780 and I was considering picking up another second hand (with a new PSU also to power it!), would that be enough for most stuff over 3 monitors with lowered settings?

Those 780s only have 3GBs VRAM. I don't think that would be enough for 3 monitors at 1440p.

VenomIreland · 15-10-2015 05:09PM

AlmightyCushion wrote: »

Those 780s only have 3GBs VRAM. I don't think that would be enough for 3 monitors at 1440p.

What sort of graphics setup would I be looking at then? I'd rather stick with Nvidia though, had too many issues with AMD in the past.

Lu Tze · 15-10-2015 05:47PM

VenomIreland wrote: »

What sort of graphics setup would I be looking at then? I'd rather stick with Nvidia though, had too many issues with AMD in the past.

You would be pushing about 25% more pixels than a single 4k display. Your looking at 2 x flagship cards I reckon, 980ti's or amd furies. Unless you only play csgo or something! The 4k benchmarks will give you a guide

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