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Mod warning #1: Seven Dublin men given prison terms ranging from 12-20 years for raid

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 57,077 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    Does this suspended sentencing actually work or is it just to reduce Prison over-crowding??

    I really don't think it discourages good behavior upon release. No sign of remorse from these ***ker's, only sorry that they got caught.

    Yep. These lads didn't pick on this poor family by accident either. There was a good deal of planning before they struck. They probably followed him home or had an acquaintance living near him. They had to provide themselves with transport (probably stolen ), had to get weapons, masks etc.
    Some of these got off very lightly.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 4,552 ✭✭✭bigpink


    Was it a planned raid or just drove to a quiet country area and picked houses at random


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,161 ✭✭✭flanzer


    Funny reading some of the Facebook posts of 1 of the guilty party's girlfriend. Has a young child too. Fu(king deluded. I wonder how she would feel if a gang broke in on her and her kid and was threatened in the same manner.

    Absolute scotes, the lot of them.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    bigpink wrote: »
    Was it a planned raid or just drove to a quiet country area and picked houses at random

    He, the victim, was a business owner at the time and they were asking him where his safe was so that leads me to believe it was planned.

    But they couldn't kick in the door and fled in one of the victims cars which leads me to believe it wasn't.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    flanzer wrote: »
    Funny reading some of the Facebook posts of 1 of the guilty party's girlfriend. Has a young child too. Fu(king deluded. I wonder how she would feel if a gang broke in on her and her kid and was threatened in the same manner.

    Absolute scotes, the lot of them.

    Without doxxing her, what kind of stuff is she saying?


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  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    flanzer wrote: »
    Funny reading some of the Facebook posts of 1 of the guilty party's girlfriend. Has a young child too. Fu(king deluded. I wonder how she would feel if a gang broke in on her and her kid and was threatened in the same manner.

    Absolute scotes, the lot of them.

    Why, what is she saying?


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭VisibleGorilla


    Does this suspended sentencing actually work or is it just to reduce Prison over-crowding??

    I really don't think it discourages good behavior upon release. No sign of remorse from these ***ker's, only sorry that they got caught.
    For first time/one time only offenders yes it would be quite effective, no point in jailing someone unless they are an actual danger to the public. So someone having a jail sentence hanging over them for a year is a big issue.

    For guys like these it is useless.

    They are a danger, but they will be eventually released and be much, much worse after that length of time in an Irish prison.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,161 ✭✭✭flanzer


    Saying her heart has been ripped to pieces. Others saying that she need not worry, he's a strong person. Others offering their condolences 'Thinking of you all'. You'd swear the little scrote had died


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,506 ✭✭✭thomasm


    Great to see judge here for giving a meaningful sentence to these scum
    Combined 107 Years for the 7 of them for aggravated burglary. No doubt influenced by recent spate of similar crimes.

    http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/1001/731682-tipperary-burglary-sentence/

    Seven Dublin men who admitted carrying out an aggravated burglary on a family home in Co Tipperary two years ago have received a range of sentences totaling 105 years.
    The men broke into the home of Mark and Emma Corcoran at Burnchurch, near Killenaul in November 2013.
    The couple’s three young daughters, who were aged eight, six and two, were also in the house at the time.
    Judge Tom Teehan handed down the sentences at Clonmel District Court.
    Two of the men - Dean Byrne, 22, of Cabra Park and Patrick Gately, 27, of Primrose Grove in Darndale were both sentenced to 20 years in prison, both with four suspended.
    John Joyce, 20, of Lentisk Lawn, Donaghmede was sentenced to 15 years with four suspended and Patrick Joyce, 22, of Beaumont Hall, Beaumont Woods was sentenced to 14 years with four suspended.
    Thomas Flynn, 20, of Moatview Avenue, Coolock was jailed for 12 years with three suspended, while Michael McDonagh, 23, of Tara Lawns, Belcamp Lane, Coolock and Donal O’Hara from Glin Park in Coolock were both sentenced to 12 years, both with seven suspended.
    Judge Teehan said an awful lot of violence was used and the violation of all the rights associated with the family and family home had been committed by the gang.
    He said the crime fell into the higher range of the offences committed, and while the maximum possible sentence in a case of aggravated burglary is life in prison, Judge Teehan said he did not feel that was correct in this case although he had considered it.
    He said the level of gratuitous violence used on Mr and Mrs Corcoran was terrifying and he also had to be a voice for the children.
    Speaking directly to the couple he said he could not believe the pain and suffering they had had to endure and wished them well for the future.
    The court previously heard that all seven men had travelled originally in two separate cars to the Corcoran's house.
    Mr Corcoran was involved in selling gym equipment around the country.
    During the burglary Mrs Corcoran managed to dial 999 and left her mobile phone turned on for around seven minutes.
    Gardaí in Thurles could hear what was happening during the raid.
    Detective Sergeant James White had told the court that he had heard the subsequent recording a number of times and one of the most audible things on it is the terrified, piercing screams of the children.
    Mrs Corcoran said she told the raiders that her children were in the house and was told "we'll kill your f***ing kids".


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 334 ✭✭Mahogany Gaspipe


    Were they travellers? I haven't seen it reported that they are.

    They got what I consider to be very moderate sentences, the pitiful thing is that going on previous sentencing I'm surprised they got as long as they did.
    And the sickening thing is that many of them will be back out in our world before they turn 30.

    As for their families and friends shouting at the Judge, Christ it really says it all. Some groups of people don't have a place in our society they are nothing more than a scourge on it.

    If an organisation formed to come down on these scumbags and crush them, I'd give them my support.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,221 ✭✭✭A_Sober_Paddy


    Still not long enough, ideally they'd all be put into the ground


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,667 ✭✭✭Frynge


    I've been waiting for this thread in the hopes that it would be a sentence worthy of the terror they put that family through. Here's hoping that the appeals court judge recognises that these people stay in prison for as long as possible, in the public interest.


  • Moderators, Music Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 25,740 Mod ✭✭✭✭Boom_Bap


    Threadz Mergedz


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2, Paid Member Posts: 35,686 ✭✭✭✭listermint


    Unsure why the judge felt that this crime was not worthy of the maximum?

    Long sentences yes, but these lads deserved more. They travelled across the country broke into a families home and beat the father viciously in front of his wife and kids and held them all captive, thats five people.

    I watched a show on TV the other day where a 25 year old girl was sentenced to 16 years for aggravated robbery in the states.

    All she did was punch someone in the face on the street and steal their handbag and phone and run.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 394 ✭✭Brian from Bray


    Meanwhile somewhere else in the country a murderer/rapist is probably getting a 10 year sentence with 5 years suspended :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    bigpink wrote: »
    Was it a planned raid or just drove to a quiet country area and picked houses at random

    It was a planned raid, they had information about a safe, but of course being feeble minded sewer rats they went to the wrong house.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    flanzer wrote: »
    Saying her heart has been ripped to pieces. Others saying that she need not worry, he's a strong person. Others offering their condolences 'Thinking of you all'. You'd swear the little scrote had died

    That's not actually that bad tbh, I thought when you mentioned it first she was going to trying to say he was innocent or arguing the case.

    She's just another victim in these scum bags lives.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,812 ✭✭✭Precious flower


    They have scarred this family mentally and physically for a long time. Why did they only get 20 years with fours years suspended off all of them? What purpose does that serve? I get the feeling this lenient sentences are to reduce prison overcrowding. I can't imagine these judges are so completely out of touch with reality.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 390 ✭✭VisibleGorilla


    Meanwhile somewhere else in the country a murderer/rapist is probably getting a 10 year sentence with 5 years suspended :rolleyes:
    What the hell are you on about? Your post is stupid as hell.

    If you murder someone in this country the average time you'll spend in prison is 20 years.

    You are then on licence for the rest of your life where you can be called back to prison at any time.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 24 AmberSolace


    The sentences should have been multiplied by 5 as there were 5 in the family + additional sentences for the young ages of three of the victims.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 3,389 ✭✭✭NachoBusiness


    I get the feeling this lenient sentences are to reduce prison overcrowding. I can't imagine these judges are so completely out of touch with reality.

    The sentences are far from lenient in fairness, in the context of the Irish justice system at least.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,499 ✭✭✭✭DEFTLEFTHAND


    What the hell are you on about? Your post is stupid as hell.

    If you murder someone in this country the average time you'll spend in prison is 20 years.

    You are then on licence for the rest of your life where you can be called back to prison at any time.

    There's also a possibility that you may never be released in this country for murder, the final decision on granting a release on licence rests with the Justice minister of the day.


  • Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators Posts: 18,724 Mod ✭✭✭✭CatFromHue


    The sentences are far from lenient in fairness, in the context of the Irish justice system at least.

    Yeah I was actually surprised they got so much, even though morally they deserve so much more.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 394 ✭✭Brian from Bray


    What the hell are you on about? Your post is stupid as hell.

    If you murder someone in this country the average time you'll spend in prison is 20 years.

    You are then on licence for the rest of your life where you can be called back to prison at any time.

    Yeah, with good chunk of those years suspended. How many times have we heard about murders and rapists not serving their full sentence ? As bad as this case was nobody was killed. Murder/Rape is much more serious crime than robbery.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 772 ✭✭✭the dark phantom


    Meanwhile somewhere else in the country a murderer/rapist is probably getting a 10 year sentence with 5 years suspended :rolleyes:

    If Carsberg did stupid posts then yours would be one.

    Nobody convicted of Murder gets a numerical sentence, A life sentence is mandatory for Murder in this state.

    A life sentence can be suspended as in the case of Damien Doonan of Limerick.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,981 ✭✭✭KomradeBishop


    Nice to see these guys helping Coolock/Darndale/Donaghmede (and nearby areas) shed their long slightly-tarnished name.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 795 ✭✭✭Johnnio13


    THis was in the district court. They can appeal the severity (ish) I presume of the sentance.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,096 ✭✭✭✭the groutch


    Definitely a step in the right direction towards deterring other would be burglars.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 772 ✭✭✭the dark phantom


    Johnnio13 wrote: »
    THis was in the district court. They can appeal the severity (ish) I presume of the sentance.

    It was a Circuit court sitting, District can only impose shorter sentences.

    Most of them will appeal anyway, You can check the progression of the appeals on the court service website.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 17,798 ✭✭✭✭hatrickpatrick


    CatFromHue wrote: »
    She's just another victim in these scum bags lives.

    I was with you up until this bit. If you choose to go out with a monster then IMO you deserve no sympathy when that monstrous nature is exposed. There's absolutely no way a scumbag like any of these guys could have convincingly acted like they weren't scumbags.


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