Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 (*EVERYONE READ MOD POST in OP)

Harry Palmr · 29-09-2015 03:42PM

Just watching that Cruyff video again

Gomez--Skitles--Sakho

<--Lucas

Can

Moreno

Milner

Ings--Sturridge--Coutinho

Which might sound a bit mad, but Moreno would be able to get up and down on the left, while Lucas would look more to the right with Can bombing on from that flank. Gomez and Sakho are also quick enough to cover the ground from defence. Coutinho would be floating in truth.

5starpool · 29-09-2015 03:49PM

Bogdan, Toure, Ibe, Rossiter, Gomez, Origi, Allen, Lallana all likely to start on Thursday according to twitter.

We *may* win, but are these games essentially only being used as fodder to give players games? I have distaste for that approach, and no, doing this won't guarantee us a positive result on Sunday before anyone comes up with that old chestnut.

BorneTobyWilde · 29-09-2015 03:55PM

11 red cards between Everton and Liverpool between 2005 and 2010
1 red card between Everton and Liverpool between oct 2010 - Oct 2015 and that was rescinded so not deserved.

Hopefully we show some fight

martyos121 · 29-09-2015 04:02PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

11 red cards between Everton and Liverpool between 2005 and 2010
1 red card between Everton and Liverpool between oct 2010 - Oct 2015 and that was rescinded so not deserved.

Hopefully we show some fight

Yeah nothing like showing fight and going down to ten men and leaving your teammates at a huge disadvantage. Not a fan of the Gerrard approach, fight needs to be channeled into good build-up play and goals.

Magico Gonzalez · 29-09-2015 04:06PM

BorneTobyWilde wrote: »

11 red cards between Everton and Liverpool between 2005 and 2010
1 red card between Everton and Liverpool between oct 2010 - Oct 2015 and that was rescinded so not deserved.

Hopefully we show some fight

Hopefullly we don't have to show too much "fight" and that we win the game by being the better footballing side on the day.

Boom_Bap · 29-09-2015 04:06PM

5starpool wrote: »

Bogdan, Toure, Ibe, Rossiter, Gomez, Origi, Allen, Lallana all likely to start on Thursday according to twitter.

We *may* win, but are these games essentially only being used as fodder to give players games? I have distaste for that approach, and no, doing this won't guarantee us a positive result on Sunday before anyone comes up with that old chestnut.

At least it's a stronger team than what we were fielding in the past few years in Europe.

brevity · 29-09-2015 04:07PM

I'd be in favour of the Mourinho approach in that head should rule over heart in derby games.

martyos121 · 29-09-2015 04:15PM

brevity wrote: »

I'd be in favour of the Mourinho approach in that head should rule over heart in derby games.

Exactly. Heart wins no matches in this sport, it only really counts in physical sports like rugby, boxing, MMA etc.

Heart gets you destroyed in football because you over-commit to challenges and leave yourself open. When a team makes an impressive comeback like Everton did last night, it has fcuk all to do with heart, and everything to do with a change of tactics. Leave the emotion at home and do the job you're being paid so handsomely for.

Needed to get that out of my system.

5starpool · 29-09-2015 04:17PM

Boom_Bap wrote: »

At least it's a stronger team than what we were fielding in the past few years in Europe.

On paper probably, but when you have a lot of players with limited game time together (some with limited game time in general this season) it's very hard to get anything but a disjointed performance. It's a fairly safe bet as well I think that we'll be back to 1 up front I'd say..

BorneTobyWilde · 29-09-2015 04:17PM

martyos121 wrote: »

Yeah nothing like showing fight and going down to ten men and leaving your teammates at a huge disadvantage. Not a fan of the Gerrard approach, fight needs to be channeled into good build-up play and goals.

True.
I would hate to see us do what we did at United though. I wanna see some passion, to go there to compete ,not to sit back and try absorb what Everton can throw at us.
Rodgers would be slaughtered if he parked the bus and showed no desire to go at them. You can show fight without getting sent off.
Suarez never gets sent off but dam does it fight.

corwill · 29-09-2015 04:18PM

martyos121 wrote: »

Exactly. Heart wins no matches in this sport, it only really counts in physical sports like rugby, boxing, MMA etc.

Heart gets you destroyed in football because you over-commit to challenges and leave yourself open. When a team makes an impressive comeback like Everton did last night, it has fcuk all to do with heart, and everything to do with a change of tactics. Leave the emotion at home and do the job you're being paid so handsomely for.

Needed to get that out of my system.

Preach. Concentration >>>>"passion".

Osmosis Jones · 29-09-2015 04:22PM

No problem with some weaker players being fielded against Sion. I'd like for us to stick to 2 up top though.

brevity · 29-09-2015 04:23PM

I'd view heart as important - in that it's needed to give a good performance, not let things that are happening on the pitch (or off it) affect you.

I'd say some players struggle being able to manage this aspect of the game.

Boom_Bap · 29-09-2015 04:25PM

5starpool wrote: »

On paper probably, but when you have a lot of players with limited game time together (some with limited game time in general this season) it's very hard to get anything but a disjointed performance. It's a fairly safe bet as well I think that we'll be back to 1 up front I'd say..

It is a chance for those players not in the more familiar starting 11 to get a run out and get noticed. Sahko and Moreno managed last time out.
I don't think there is tha much risk given there are a few more experienced players there like Toure, Lallana and Allen...but yes, I suspect the fluidity will be lacking.

J Mysterio · 29-09-2015 04:25PM

I'm all about heart.

5starpool · 29-09-2015 04:25PM

Osmosis Jones wrote: »

No problem with some weaker players being fielded against Sion. I'd like for us to stick to 2 up top though.

Will you have a problem with it if we lose?

5starpool · 29-09-2015 04:27PM

Heart is not about being reckless or like headless chickens, it's about caring and giving your utmost and showing you care. I'm all for that in sports teams I like. Nothing worse than watching people go through the motions like Liverpool players have been doing far too often of late.

Osmosis Jones · 29-09-2015 04:32PM

5starpool wrote: »

Will you have a problem with it if we lose?

I'll be pissed off if we lose, not because of the team fielded though but because I think a team like that should still be beating the likes of Sion (admittedly I know little about Sion)

Knex* · 29-09-2015 04:33PM

Differentiating between the heart and the mind is bit bolloxy.

Its all about focusing the mind, not letting emotions get in the way, and staying calm and committed.

Those on about boxing and MMA, this is even more true for them. You cannot let emotions take over in the ring, or the cage, where the slightest mistake leads to you being on your face.

Bit more leeway in football, but you can be passionate and focused all the same.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 29-09-2015 05:02PM

corwill wrote: »

Will you stick around for the derby?

No, back on Saturday morning

Buford T. Justice XIX · 29-09-2015 05:05PM

Turtyturd wrote: »

Another fair weather fan deserting the match thread at the first sniff of a ticket.

But but but I also support Shamrock Rovers!!!

Buford T. Justice XIX · 29-09-2015 05:06PM

Hehehe, doing a Mada

5starpool · 29-09-2015 05:07PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

But but but I also support Shamrock Rovers!!!

Booo, down with Shams.

29-09-2015 05:23PM

Harry Palmr wrote: »

Just watching that Cruyff video again
Gomez--Skitles--Sakho
<--Lucas
Can
Moreno
Milner
Ings--Sturridge--Coutinho

.......

The back 3 are fine, Clyne is undroppable imo and so too Henderson when fit. That formation isn't the best use of our resources imo, Milner at the tip of a diamond midfield with Lucas as DM and 2 wingers would be a disaster I reckon.

29-09-2015 05:29PM

Knex. wrote: »

....

Those on about boxing and MMA, this is even more true for them. You cannot let emotions take over in the ring......

To be fair I reckon people were alluding to the ability to keep going even when you are getting hammered and to stick it out, keep the defence up and jab, punch when you can rather than going all guns blazing in round 1 of a 10 round contest.

Magico Gonzalez · 29-09-2015 05:33PM

Knowing what you're supposed to do in every playing scenario & being able to do it instinctively without hesitation win more matches than notions of heart and passion.

Unfortunately defensively we look unsure and hesitant....so maybe a bit more blood and thunder would make up for a few deficiencies back there.

Tipsy McSwagger · 29-09-2015 06:38PM

RIP to the greatest legend this club has ever seen

Buford T. Justice XIX · 29-09-2015 06:41PM

5starpool wrote: »

Booo, down with Shams.

Only one real rovers, pal

;-)

~Rebel~ · 29-09-2015 07:01PM

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

Knowing what you're supposed to do in every playing scenario & being able to do it instinctively without hesitation win more matches than notions of heart and passion.

Unfortunately defensively we look unsure and hesitant....so maybe a bit more blood and thunder would make up for a few deficiencies back there.

This is where you really miss someone with the precision and detail oriented view, like Rafa.

It's no surprise that his Liverpool teams conceded half the number of goals - they all knew exactly what to do and when to do it. Not just the defenders, everyone.

I think Klopp brings this too...his teams are always very well disciplined and hardworking. Ancelotti's not so much. It's the main reason I think i'd actually prefer Klopp for us...Ancelotti maybe offers the players too much freedom. Fine if they're great players, but I'm not sure I trust our guys as much.

Turtyturd · 29-09-2015 07:03PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Only one real rovers, pal

;-)

Melchester?

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