Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 (*EVERYONE READ MOD POST in OP)

LuckyLloyd · 29-09-2015 11:35AM

corwill wrote: »

I'm not sure that there's any meaningful comparison between putting in more effort at work and playing sport, at whatever level, through certain injuries, they're different things.

In the case of the latter, it's completely dependant on the nature of the injury, no matter how driven or committed one might be. Play through a few concussions, for instance, and you'll be familiarising yourself with the wide range of modern incontinence clothing in the fullness of time.

With my injury, a hard enough sneeze could have put it out again within the first couple of weeks, if I didn't keep it immobilised in a sling. No amount of iron will can change basic physiology.

The willingness of athletes to do just that has precipitated a number of Rugby / NFL rule changes to protect players from their own nature in recent years. I am not necessarily saying such attitudes are prudent, but elite sportspeople are cut from a different cloth and generally think very differently to you or I.

brevity · 29-09-2015 11:49AM

A little off topic but there is a new movie with Will Smith coming out about concussions in the NFL - will be of interest to some no doubt.

LuckyLloyd · 29-09-2015 11:49AM

Apparently 70% of Championship games this year have been won by the side with less than 50% of possession - a stat flashed up on Sky in the aftermath of the weekend's Boro / Leeds match. I know it's a different league and level, etc but...interesting stat nonetheless.

5starpool · 29-09-2015 11:51AM

brevity wrote: »

A little off topic but there is a new movie with Will Smith coming out about concussions in the NFL - will be of interest to some no doubt.

Apparently they bottled it somewhat because they didn't want to upset the clubs.

brevity · 29-09-2015 11:54AM

5starpool wrote: »

Apparently they bottled it somewhat because they didn't want to upset the clubs.

Really? I suppose it's to be expected, can't imagine it's good for the profile of the sport. Lots of vested interests.

Bandana boy · 29-09-2015 11:55AM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Apparently 70% of Championship games this year have been won by the side with less than 50% of possession - a stat flashed up on Sky in the aftermath of the weekend's Boro / Leeds match. I know it's a different league and level, etc but...interesting stat nonetheless.

Championship can be a bit kick and rush , Would love to know what this stat is for PL and other Top tier leagues around Europe

Harry Palmr · 29-09-2015 11:59AM

If you are bored you can use a sites like flashscore or soccerbase and go through each winning game and check the poss stats and then calculate the % over 50%

Bandana boy · 29-09-2015 12:06PM

Dug this article up from the telegraph

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/competitions/champions-league/10793482/Do-football-possession-statistics-indicate-which-team-will-win-Not-necessarily.html

Apparently the level of the football is the most important.
At CL level possession wins games
At championship level possession means more opportunity to make errors

According to the Spanish journalist Diego Torres in a recent book, Jose Mourinho’s attitude to possession at Real Madrid was summed up thus.

1. The game is won by the team who commits fewer errors.

2. Football favours whoever provokes more errors in the opposition.

3. Away from home, instead of trying to be superior to the opposition, it's better to encourage their mistakes.

4. Whoever has the ball is more likely to make a mistake.

5. Whoever renounces possession reduces the possibility of making a mistake.

6. Whoever has the ball has fear.

7. Whoever does not have it is therefore stronger

Harry Palmr · 29-09-2015 12:09PM

I read that in Mourinhos accent!

Connavar · 29-09-2015 12:27PM

brevity wrote: »

Really? I suppose it's to be expected, can't imagine it's good for the profile of the sport. Lots of vested interests.

The documentary around it, "League of Denial", is supposed to be very good

29-09-2015 12:44PM

I'd sooner have the Sturridge we saw Saturday minding himself/being tackle shy (whatever way you want to describe it) available and playing 75%+ ish of games than a more committed version play a few games and than be out injured for months again.

He has the ability and also the mindset to modify his game to be that bit smart in avoiding injuries imo. He's turned 26 too so no doubt is mindful that he doesn't want to miss another season over the next 4 - 6 years

dogbert27 · 29-09-2015 12:45PM

Rodgers said it himself last year about Sturridge needing to play through the pain barrier

"A player will never be 100% fit, they’re always carrying something. He just needs to find a way to, physically and mentally, keep himself as fit as he can"

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpools-injury-jinxed-daniel-sturridge-5506581

Caovyn Lineah · 29-09-2015 12:48PM

dogbert27 wrote: »

Rodgers said it himself last year about Sturridge needing to play through the pain barrier

"A player will never be 100% fit, they’re always carrying something. He just needs to find a way to, physically and mentally, keep himself as fit as he can"

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/football/news/liverpools-injury-jinxed-daniel-sturridge-5506581

I was just listening to the latest TAW podcast and they mentioned Sturridge and his first goal at the weekend,they think he wouldn't have even attempted it last season due to the positioning of his body when he struck the ball. I think they're right, hopefully he has broken that mental barrier.

29-09-2015 12:49PM

There's a difference between playing through some low-level, non-specific ache/pain and coming back from a muscle snapping.

dogbert27 · 29-09-2015 12:52PM

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

I was just listening to the latest TAW podcast and they mentioned Sturridge and his first goal at the weekend,they think he wouldn't have even attempted it last season due to the positioning of his body when he struck the ball. I think they're right, hopefully he has broken that mental barrier.

Yeah, showed great technique just like his 13/14 form.

As you say, hopefully he's broken that barrier and can kick on for the rest of the season.

J Mysterio · 29-09-2015 01:15PM

googled eyes wrote: »

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What a petulant tit

Knex* · 29-09-2015 01:20PM

Saw this over in reddit. Cruyff talks about the diamond formation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NZ0byEyeOA

Magico Gonzalez · 29-09-2015 01:23PM

Steve Morgan selling up at Wolves, almost bought Liverpool once before the Texans did. Dunno if he would have been worse than them but he certainly didn't take Wolves to the next level.

LuckyLloyd · 29-09-2015 01:24PM

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

Steve Morgan selling up at Wolves, almost bought Liverpool once before the Texans did. Dunno if he would have been worse than them but he certainly didn't take Wolves to the next level.

Clearly didn't have the resources.

Magico Gonzalez · 29-09-2015 01:27PM

LuckyLloyd wrote: »

Clearly didn't have the resources.

More like he didn't know how to load debt onto a club whilst trying to use it as piggy bank. Honest guy left behind by the scale of football finances and the need to take large loans to develop infrastructure and invest. You can't do it with your own money anymore unless you are a desert tycoon.

martyos121 · 29-09-2015 01:33PM

Knex. wrote: »

Saw this over in reddit. Cruyff talks about the diamond formation

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7NZ0byEyeOA

I remember when Rodgers used to play the diamond,

or Suarez as he's more commonly referred to.

corwill · 29-09-2015 01:40PM

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

More like he didn't know how to load debt onto a club whilst trying to use it as piggy bank. Honest guy left behind by the scale of football finances and the need to take large loans to develop infrastructure and invest. You can't do it with your own money anymore unless you are a desert tycoon.

To even be that kind of shyster, you need to have more behind you than Morgan did. You'd need to have a certain amount of skin in the game yourself. "Only" being a multi-millionaire hasn't cut it for a while in football. Jack Walker wouldn't keep Blackburn in the Championship these days, let alone fund an EPL title challenge.

OwaynOTT · 29-09-2015 01:54PM

brevity wrote: »

There are a few rumours (Gerrards book alludes to them) that Sturridge is very very reluctant to return to action when he has been injured. He's apparently not a fan of taking a pain killing injection and playing though the pain

This of course is his right and some would say is the correct thing to do but might explain why when he is out, its for a longer time than others.

Might also have contributed to his goals per game ratio, when some of the others played at less than 100%.
Or he's just rather very good.

LuckyLloyd · 29-09-2015 02:02PM

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

More like he didn't know how to load debt onto a club whilst trying to use it as piggy bank. Honest guy left behind by the scale of football finances and the need to take large loans to develop infrastructure and invest. You can't do it with your own money anymore unless you are a desert tycoon.

Yep, same thing!

rob316 · 29-09-2015 02:40PM

Magico Gonzalez wrote: »

Steve Morgan selling up at Wolves, almost bought Liverpool once before the Texans did. Dunno if he would have been worse than them but he certainly didn't take Wolves to the next level.

Sacking Mick and replacing him with a no mark Terry Connor was his crowning achievement.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 29-09-2015 02:57PM

Just got confirmation of my tickets for the Sion game:)

corwill · 29-09-2015 03:13PM

rob316 wrote: »

Sacking Mick and replacing him with a no mark Terry Connor was his crowning achievement.

That's probably more Jez Moxey than the owner.

Although what he was thinking putting a guy called Jez in charge...

corwill · 29-09-2015 03:13PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Just got confirmation of my tickets for the Sion game:)

Will you stick around for the derby?

Turtyturd · 29-09-2015 03:19PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Just got confirmation of my tickets for the Sion game:)

Another fair weather fan deserting the match thread at the first sniff of a ticket.

Hangballlouie · 29-09-2015 03:33PM

Buford T. Justice V wrote: »

Just got confirmation of my tickets for the Sion game:)

You poor thing.

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