Neither driver willing to give way.

Barely There · 28-09-2015 01:16PM

Old dude shouldn't have been on the road in the first place.

Patently clear he can't drive.

katydid · 28-09-2015 01:17PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

Because she didn't back up, which she easily could have. If she had any decency she would have taken into account that the elderly man wasn't fit to be on the road but no, she had to hold up everyone just 'because she was in the right'. To me, that's the definition of being unreasonable.

He could have backed up easily too. If he was incapable of reversing, the car could have been pushed out of the way at the very start. And the cops should have been called, and his keys taken off him there and then.

There were two people in it, he was in the wrong. So why was SHE the one considered unreasonable?

astrofool · 28-09-2015 01:46PM

katydid wrote: »

He could have backed up easily too. If he was incapable of reversing, the car could have been pushed out of the way at the very start. And the cops should have been called, and his keys taken off him there and then.

There were two people in it, he was in the wrong. So why was SHE the one considered unreasonable?

One of them was incapable, the other one was unreasonable in the face of incapability.

Saipanne · 28-09-2015 01:49PM

I grew up on a narrow street where this happened all the time. I loved sitting there and watching the drama unfold.

ColeTrain · 28-09-2015 01:51PM

katydid wrote: »

He could have backed up easily too. If he was incapable of reversing, the car could have been pushed out of the way at the very start. And the cops should have been called, and his keys taken off him there and then.

There were two people in it, he was in the wrong. So why was SHE the one considered unreasonable?

Did you even watch the video?

He couldn't have "backed up easily". He tried and wasn't able to.

Surely you can see that the reasonable thing here was for the lady to reverse her car a few yards? Or would that have made her lose face in front of a few strangers seeing as 'she was in the right'. She acted like a spoiled child.

Barely There · 28-09-2015 02:00PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

He couldn't have "backed up easily". He tried and wasn't able to.

Which is when the rabid crowd should have surrounded his vehicle, called the police and insisted they remove him and his vehicle from the public road before he kills somebody.

ColeTrain · 28-09-2015 02:02PM

Barely There wrote: »

Which is when the rabid crowd should have surrounded his vehicle, called the police and insisted they remove him and his vehicle from the public road before he kills somebody.

The cops were already called at that stage.

slimjimmc · 28-09-2015 02:18PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

Did you even watch the video?

He couldn't have "backed up easily". He tried and wasn't able to.

Surely you can see that the reasonable thing here was for the lady to reverse her car a few yards? Or would that have made her lose face in front of a few strangers seeing as 'she was in the right'. She acted like a spoiled child.

He was putting it on imo.

ColeTrain · 28-09-2015 02:24PM

slimjimmc wrote: »

He was putting it on imo.

The Stig couldn't have put that level of **** driving on!

ALiasEX · 28-09-2015 02:45PM

He could have been trying to turn around.

razorblunt · 28-09-2015 02:49PM

katydid wrote: »

She had right of way. Why didn't they implore the twit in the other car, who was in the wrong?

They did, did you watch his reversing attempt? It seemed to take 40 minutes for them to convince him to lower his window, in the end one fella had to steer the car through the window whilst walking alongside him.

General Query:
Has there been any follow ups on if there could be any action taken against the male driver for not being able to reverse?

AlanG · 28-09-2015 02:51PM

ButtersSuki wrote: »

It seems like every time I use the entrance to the Phoenix Park that's between the Halfway House Pub and the main Castleknock entrance (can't for the life of me think of the name for it now!) there's an incident like this, thankfully not of the 35minute variety though.

See this years ago at Cabra gate. Once a few cars were blocked the drivers got out and lifted the offending car out of the way. Problem solved :-)

blinding · 28-09-2015 03:07PM

In the good old days if two people behaved like this the "ordinary people" would probably have lifted both cars up on their sides and have gone on their merry way.

Both cars should be confiscated and crushed as a warning to morons everywhere.

Tea 1000 · 28-09-2015 03:19PM

katydid wrote: »

He could have backed up easily too. If he was incapable of reversing, the car could have been pushed out of the way at the very start. And the cops should have been called, and his keys taken off him there and then.

There were two people in it, he was in the wrong. So why was SHE the one considered unreasonable?

How do you know for sure he was in the wrong? He was a long way down the tunnel, she was barely in it. The sign says her side has priority, but surely that means priority if both enter at the same time? Who's to say which of them entered first? If he was already coming through when she reached the entrance of the tunnel, then the sign is irrelevant.

Either way though, the crowd did gang up on her more because she was an easier target with the roof down. But she should have reveresed after he made the botch attempt at the latest.

Barely There · 28-09-2015 03:20PM

I had a broadly similar, though less exciting or prolonged incident at Liffey Valley a couple of years ago.

The carpark aisles are all one-way and I was abouthalfway up an aisle when a woman (late 20's, normal enough looking) driving aPassat came around the corner and started heading the wrong way up the aisle inmy direction.

This isn't terribly unusual and most aisles have enough spacefor two cars to manoeuvre past one another, but this particular aisle, near theM&S end, only had enough space for one car.

I obviously came to a stop and she stopped in front of meand just stared at me.

I motioned that she needed to reverse, but she just keptstaring straight ahead.

I rolled down the window and shouted "It's one-way,you need to reverse", but she just kept staring at me, eventually making alittle 'you move back' gesture with her hands as if swatting away a bothersomefly.

At this stage I'm thinking 'What an ignorant weirdo', andcontemplating whether I should just reverse myself when 2 cars enter the aisle andpull up behind me.

Seeing that she's now outnumbered eventually seems tobreak her resolve and she starts to back up to the end of the aisle.

When I pull past her at the end of the aisle, I look overand laugh while giving her the universally accepted 'fcuk you' gesture, becauseI'm jkinda petty and childish like that.

She goes completely ballistic in her car, starts beepingthe horn and gesticulating while going red in the face.

Really weird experience.

blinding · 28-09-2015 03:36PM

Barely There wrote: »

I had a broadly similar, though less exciting or prolonged incident at Liffey Valley a couple of years ago.

The carpark aisles are all one-way and I was abouthalfway up an aisle when a woman (late 20's, normal enough looking) driving aPassat came around the corner and started heading the wrong way up the aisle inmy direction.

This isn't terribly unusual and most aisles have enough spacefor two cars to manoeuvre past one another, but this particular aisle, near theM&S end, only had enough space for one car.

I obviously came to a stop and she stopped in front of meand just stared at me.

I motioned that she needed to reverse, but she just keptstaring straight ahead.

I rolled down the window and shouted "It's one-way,you need to reverse", but she just kept staring at me, eventually making alittle 'you move back' gesture with her hands as if swatting away a bothersomefly.

At this stage I'm thinking 'What an ignorant weirdo', andcontemplating whether I should just reverse myself when 2 cars enter the aisle andpull up behind me.

Seeing that she's now outnumbered eventually seems tobreak her resolve and she starts to back up to the end of the aisle.

When I pull past her at the end of the aisle, I look overand laugh while giving her the universally accepted 'fcuk you' gesture, becauseI'm jkinda petty and childish like that.

She goes completely ballistic in her car, starts beepingthe horn and gesticulating while going red in the face.

Really weird experience.

I have been looking for you……..:mad:

The Backwards Man · 28-09-2015 03:59PM

There's some scenarios you just wish you were there in the 4WD Zetor with the front end loader, the wonky steering and the leaking back end.

katydid · 28-09-2015 04:00PM

astrofool wrote: »

One of them was incapable, the other one was unreasonable in the face of incapability.

His car could have been moved. The men hassling her could have got together and pushed, or one of them could have got into it and reversed it to let her, and the traffic behind her, drive on.

If someone is out driving who can't drive, and who arrogantly disobeys traffic signs to boot, you don't compound this by giving in to their demands that YOU move.

I really hope the police will follow this up and make him resit his driving test.

katydid · 28-09-2015 04:03PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

Did you even watch the video?

He couldn't have "backed up easily". He tried and wasn't able to.

Surely you can see that the reasonable thing here was for the lady to reverse her car a few yards? Or would that have made her lose face in front of a few strangers seeing as 'she was in the right'. She acted like a spoiled child.

Anyone could have got into his car and reversed it for him in two seconds. Or those big strong men bullying her could have pushed it.

It's nothing to do with losing face. It's to do with principal. If you are in the right, and the other driver can do what needs to be done to rectify the situation, then why would you back down? I would have done exactly the same.

katydid · 28-09-2015 04:03PM

ColeTrain wrote: »

The cops were already called at that stage.

So did he drive off, or stay to be dealt with for his inability to drive, I wonder?
We shall never know...

katydid · 28-09-2015 04:05PM

Tea 1000 wrote: »

How do you know for sure he was in the wrong? He was a long way down the tunnel, she was barely in it. The sign says her side has priority, but surely that means priority if both enter at the same time? Who's to say which of them entered first? If he was already coming through when she reached the entrance of the tunnel, then the sign is irrelevant.

Either way though, the crowd did gang up on her more because she was an easier target with the roof down. But she should have reveresed after he made the botch attempt at the latest.

The sign said she has priority. It's a short tunnel. You can clearly see if people are heading your way - he would have seen her coming, and carried on regardless.

In any case, at the end of the day, there was a dispute. She was in the right. He should have backed down. End of.

listermint · 28-09-2015 04:10PM

katydid wrote: »

The sign said she has priority. It's a short tunnel. You can clearly see if people are heading your way - he would have seen her coming, and carried on regardless.

In any case, at the end of the day, there was a dispute. She was in the right. He should have backed down. End of.

She was at the start of the Tunnel she would have seen him coming.

She should have taken the higher ground as you know, a normal human being would have.

But hey who cares, both drivers didnt appear to be normal human beings.

Twats equally.

The Backwards Man · 28-09-2015 04:10PM

katydid wrote: »

Anyone could have got into his car and reversed it for him in two seconds. Or those big strong men bullying her could have pushed it.

It's nothing to do with losing face. It's to do with principal. If you are in the right, and the other driver can do what needs to be done to rectify the situation, then why would you back down? I would have done exactly the same.

Didn't look too me like either driver was willingly consenting to that, and to forcefully do it you'd find yourself in a world of trouble.

The roads are no place for people that put their rights and principles before safety and consideration for other road users just as much as they are no place for people that can't reverse. I'd take the licence of both of them is it was up to me.

Ush1 · 28-09-2015 04:14PM

katydid wrote: »

His car could have been moved. The men hassling her could have got together and pushed, or one of them could have got into it and reversed it to let her, and the traffic behind her, drive on.

If someone is out driving who can't drive, and who arrogantly disobeys traffic signs to boot, you don't compound this by giving in to their demands that YOU move.

I really hope the police will follow this up and make him resit his driving test.

Eh, I think you'll find there was at least one woman remonstrating to her also.

TeaBagMania · 28-09-2015 04:40PM

So that’s UK style road rage.
Here its typically two rednecks side swiping each other at 80 mph in their lifted 4x4 trucks

Tea 1000 · 28-09-2015 04:59PM

katydid wrote: »

The sign said she has priority. It's a short tunnel. You can clearly see if people are heading your way - he would have seen her coming, and carried on regardless.

In any case, at the end of the day, there was a dispute. She was in the right. He should have backed down. End of.

Priority means that you have right of way if both cars are at the entrance at the same time. If there is a car already in the tunnel, then the sign is not valid for you anymore.
And if you look at the streetview link that was posted up by someone here, and go to the far side, where he was coming from, you can't see around the corner of the entrance, so he could potentially have come around that corner, saw there was no one yet in it and proceeded, and she saw her "right of way" sign, saw him already in the tunnel and just thought "he shouldn't be there, I'm going in too". If that was the case, then she is in the wrong.
But we don't know. Either of them might be in the wrong, but after 5 or 10 minutes the point becomes moot. No one can win anymore. Arrogance only causes more problems.
If it was a one way road and she was going the correct way, then by all means, sit there. But on two way roads where there are sections that only one can pass at a time, despite having priority, if all else fails and you have a chance (which she did) you should just back up and be the bigger person.
If you say you'd have done the same as her, then you're just as bad as the guy in the car. If everyone was like that, then f**k it, we might as well descent into just carrying a gun and getting out of your car to shoot offenders in the head.

mudstack · 28-09-2015 05:01PM

katydid wrote: »

The sign said she has priority. It's a short tunnel. You can clearly see if people are heading your way - he would have seen her coming, and carried on regardless.

In any case, at the end of the day, there was a dispute. She was in the right. He should have backed down. End of.

Sometimes I let cars out in front of me. I don't have to because I have right of way but I'm nice like that.
I've even been known to let an elderly person or a parent with pram to cross the road in front of me.
She didn't have to back up but I think most people would have and not sat there for 30 mins for the sake of being right. Some people need these little wins though.

Tea 1000 · 28-09-2015 05:07PM

mudstack wrote: »

Sometimes I let cars out in front of me. I don't have to because I have right of way but I'm nice like that.
I've even been known to let an elderly person or a parent with pram to cross the road in front of me.
She didn't have to back up but I think most people would have and not sat there for 30 mins for the sake of being right. Some Little people need these little wins though.

Fixed! :P

osarusan · 28-09-2015 05:16PM

katydid wrote: »

It's nothing to do with losing face. It's to do with principal. If you are in the right, and the other driver can do what needs to be done to rectify the situation, then why would you back down? I would have done exactly the same.

To get home/wherever you're going and let other people get home too.

So, she was in the right. I agree. Whatever she had done, whether she'd moved or not, she'd still have been in the right. That wouldn't change. It's not in dispute, I don't think.

But that doesn't have to become an immovable point of principle. What did she achieve by extending that principle into not moving at all?

If she'd reversed back to let him through, she'd still have been in the right, but wouldn't have been sitting there for 35 minutes, and would have had people thinking she was a decent skin, rather than what people now think of her.

Call me Al · 28-09-2015 05:47PM

The two people are responsible for their own appalling behavior here.
I fully agree that it's questionable whether or not the gentleman should be on the road or not. I think not.
However after a few minutes of stalemate it becomes irrelevant as to whether or not the woman in question is in the right. She has lost all moral authority on the matter the minute her perceived sense of injustice veers into pigheadness and starts to trample on the rights of other road users. She had two choices and I think she took the wrong one and should also face the consequences legal or otherwise (and considering it's all over social media something tells me this is going to have bigger social consequences for both these people in the short term.)
Have the British police followed up on this?

Neither driver willing to give way.

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