Know anything about prison?

27-09-2015 10:46PM

FortySeven wrote: »

I've been on remand a few times and served 2 sentences.

Ah, fair enough.

The OP doesn't have your rap sheet and is going in for road traffic offences.

padd b1975 · 27-09-2015 10:48PM

Andre 3000 wrote: »

Use shower gel

.......from a bottle that you can hang up!

tomwaterford · 27-09-2015 10:48PM

secondattempt wrote: »

A prison officer told me recently that rape etc doesn't happen in Irish prisons just beatings.

He/she is lying
While maybe not rampant as depicted it certainly happens

27-09-2015 10:49PM

JustAThought wrote: »

You are in a whole different category if you spend time in prison to if you are convicted & have to pay a fine. Regardless of what you say to your folks, how do you think they will feel when someone, at sometime, googles your name & your conviction comes up - and that you were sentenced to prison. You can be stabbed or mugged or raped or worse - what money saved will compensate you for that? Not to mention countries that will never let you in once you've been in prison & jobs and companies that you will never be able to work for once you've been in prison. Its hardly an attractive characteristic in a person - how far do you think people will move from when you tell them nonchantly that you're an ex prisoner. Or when they find out and just start shunning you . Borrow the money & pay it & stay out & safe. Lifes too short for bringing that kind of trouble and stigma on yourself, and your family, and future family.

I think this missed the fundamental point.

He has already done the crime, taken his conviction and is considering the penalty and whether he will pay the fine or sit in a cell. Bit late for warning him of what convictions look like to a potential employer.

Realt Dearg Sec · 27-09-2015 10:49PM

secondattempt wrote: »

A prison officer told me recently that rape etc doesn't happen in Irish prisons just beatings.

Ah sure that's grand so.

michael999999 · 27-09-2015 10:50PM

As soon as you get there, ask to be put in the fianna fail wing. I hear they have saunas and everything!

FortySeven · 27-09-2015 10:50PM

Just a quick disclaimer. I am putting forward a worst case scenario here. In my opinion prison is something to be avoided at ALL costs. However, if what is being said here is true, (released same day) then I would not be too stressed about it. I believe this only happens during periods of overcrowding though. Better check current standings, I'm sure there is a website somewhere.

Also, (I imagine it will be the same as the UK, most things here are) if you know the amount of days you are expecting then work out the remission, when your release date will be and hand yourself in on a day that means you will be released on a Sunday. There are no weekend releases so they have to let you out on Friday morning as you can serve less but not more time.

monkeysnapper · 27-09-2015 10:51PM

HI think the most important thing is to get the mind right.... Going in thinking I'll be straight back out is asking for trouble .

Go in thinking this is going to be for a few weeks which it might well be and get on with your time .

johnnyskeleton · 27-09-2015 10:53PM

sean2591 wrote: »

So just wondering if anybody knows what it's like inside? Do people in for fines be kept apart from the regular prisoners? If you are in Dublin do you go to Mountjoy?

Theres no formal divison between fine default prisoners and sentenced prisoners, but they usually keep new prisoners on watch for a few nights and they try to keep lifers with lifers and to avoid people who might be feuding.

There is however no guarantee that they can put someone with other fine defaulters or other gentle criminals.

As other posters have suggested, sometimes people are released quickly if the prison is overpopulated but there is no guarantee of this Im afraid.

Ellie2008 · 27-09-2015 10:54PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think this missed the fundamental point.

He has already done the crime, taken his conviction and is considering the penalty and whether he will pay the fine or sit in a cell. Bit late for warning him of what convictions look like to a potential employer.[/quote

No employee gives two hoots about road traffic offences, I've written agreements where we ask directors to disclose offences and we always carved out road traffic offences.

pablo128 · 27-09-2015 11:32PM

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starling · 27-09-2015 11:35PM

Ellie2008 wrote: »

[Deleted User] wrote: »

I think this missed the fundamental point.

He has already done the crime, taken his conviction and is considering the penalty and whether he will pay the fine or sit in a cell. Bit late for warning him of what convictions look like to a potential employer.[/quote

No employee gives two hoots about road traffic offences, I've written agreements where we ask directors to disclose offences and we always carved out road traffic offences.

Yes this. Plus if you read the OP you'll see he already has convictions on record so it's not helpful to be pointing out the possible effects of that. OP already stated that wasn't his concern here.

Naos · 27-09-2015 11:44PM

milltown wrote: »

I'm guessing because it's easier to escape from becoming someone's bitch with trousers around one ankle, rather than binding them both together?

Yup

MJI · 27-09-2015 11:56PM

Don't drop the soap

starling · 28-09-2015 12:00AM

MJI wrote: »

Don't drop the soap

2/10, very poor. Must try harðer.

gctest50 · 28-09-2015 12:03AM

helps if your one charming motha :

Meet Michael Murphy.

The Montana inmate is not letting a 25-year prison sentence interfere with his love life, according to state correction officials. An investigation has determined that Murphy, 36, convinced at least five female prison employees to have sex with him, provide contraband, or grant him illegal favors......................
' She then told of engaging in mutual oral sex with Murphy in her office, and giving him about $400.

What’s more, after these cases emerged, he was transferred to another facility, where a female food worker is already under investigation for being compromised by Murphy.

http://www.thesmokinggun.com/documents/crime/locked-lothario

Ellie2008 · 28-09-2015 12:08AM

gctest50 wrote: »

helps if your one charming motha :

I especially liked the therapist saying after she'd kissed him she was thinking WTF did I do but she then went on to give him a blow job?!!! & $400 what does he even need that in prison for?!

He s not un-cute though!

sean2591 · 28-09-2015 12:11AM

starling wrote: »

Don't know your circumstances OP but krazyklown raises a good point there about the effect on the rest of the family, it's worth thinking about that. Are there people close to you who will be losing sleep worrying about what's happening to you?

Not judging you but in fairness lots of people live with debt, and surely if you get to the stage of a custodial sentence there must have been a pattern of repeating whatever offences they were, no?

Yeah if I tell them/they find out they would be.

Most of the stuff happened about 18 months ago when I was all over the place. I got done for drink driving, no insurance, no tax, driving unaccompanied and all that. There was also a public order thing. I just looked at the paper with everything on it and I think with everything the fines are €2,800 and the number of days in lieu is actually 45. I was in court a good few times and they kept on waiting for everything to be sorted. Solicitor reckoned I was looking at getting a suspended sentence but I got a good probation report so the judge fined me and I was banned from driving. I was working so that probably helped and I got 9 months to pay but that time is up now.

The contract I was on was for 18 months and finished 2 weeks ago and I am looking for something else and have good plans for the future but right now am between jobs so it makes sense to get this over with now. The Guard calling just brought things to a head.

I have been been arrested a few times now - but not for a good while now - but thinking of time in prison is different. This might sound bad but when I was 19 and over on the J1 in America I got arrested over there and was in jail for 3 days so I know I can do a few days but have no idea what it's like here. I just can't afford €2,800 and it's not like it would change my record.

Rayne Wooney · 28-09-2015 12:15AM

biko wrote: »

http://www.firsttimeinprison.co.uk/

Pick the biggest guy out and kill him. The rest of the time will be easier then.

On your first day find the biggest fella and ride him OP

They'll be expecting a shanking

sean2591 · 28-09-2015 12:15AM

krazyklown wrote: »

No worries. Didn't go in for fines - don't really want to be specific but prison was overkill for the motoring offence he committed (no accident/no one was hurt etc). He made a gaurd look very stupid and he paid a heavy price. Fortunately we found out afterwards that two prison officers from our area were keeping an eye on him and that helped to get him out of the holding cell. Funny I recall everyone telling us that with overcrowding etc he would serve little or no time. Didn't work out that way though. Like another poster suggested, it affected us quite deeply. I remember collecting him when he got out; really felt like a nightmare for all of us had finally ended.

Good you were there for him. I wouldn't want my family to know

sean2591 · 28-09-2015 12:16AM

chillin117 wrote: »

You will be in/out in a few hours. I did a 3 and a 7 stretch (hours) for fines too. Did not get past the holding cell. Tell your ma to keep your dinner !

That sounds good. How many days were they each meant to be for?

sean2591 · 28-09-2015 12:19AM

JustAThought wrote: »

You are in a whole different category if you spend time in prison to if you are convicted & have to pay a fine. Regardless of what you say to your folks, how do you think they will feel when someone, at sometime, googles your name & your conviction comes up - and that you were sentenced to prison. You can be stabbed or mugged or raped or worse - what money saved will compensate you for that? Not to mention countries that will never let you in once you've been in prison & jobs and companies that you will never be able to work for once you've been in prison. Its hardly an attractive characteristic in a person - how far do you think people will move from when you tell them nonchantly that you're an ex prisoner. Or when they find out and just start shunning you . Borrow the money & pay it & stay out & safe. Lifes too short for bringing that kind of trouble and stigma on yourself, and your family, and future family.

I know what you are saying but I wouuldn't be going around boasting about it. I don't think people would think it's the same being in prison for not paying fines compared to murder or dealing drugs or armed robbery

SterlingArcher · 28-09-2015 12:19AM

Hope you like prison food, and penis.

Ellie2008 · 28-09-2015 12:21AM

sean2591 wrote: »

Yeah if I tell them/they find out they would be.

Most of the stuff happened about 18 months ago when I was all over the place. I got done for drink driving, no insurance, no tax, driving unaccompanied and all that. There was also a public order thing. I just looked at the paper with everything on it and I think with everything the fines are €2,800 and the number of days in lieu is actually 45. I was in court a good few times and they kept on waiting for everything to be sorted. Solicitor reckoned I was looking at getting a suspended sentence but I got a good probation report so the judge fined me and I was banned from driving. I was working so that probably helped and I got 9 months to pay but that time is up now.

The contract I was on was for 18 months and finished 2 weeks ago and I am looking for something else and have good plans for the future but right now am between jobs so it makes sense to get this over with now. The Guard calling just brought things to a head.

I have been been arrested a few times now - but not for a good while now - but thinking of time in prison is different. This might sound bad but when I was 19 and over on the J1 in America I got arrested over there and was in jail for 3 days so I know I can do a few days but have no idea what it's like here. I just can't afford €2,800 and it's not like it would change my record.

€2,800 is not a fortune, could you borrow it from a group of friends?

And no one is going to judge you on something you did when you were 19

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I've done a couple of things in my time that could probably land me in trouble I'd say I'm not the only one.

sean2591 · 28-09-2015 12:21AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I think this missed the fundamental point.

He has already done the crime, taken his conviction and is considering the penalty and whether he will pay the fine or sit in a cell. Bit late for warning him of what convictions look like to a potential employer.

That's it exactly

booooring! · 28-09-2015 12:22AM

Might want to take a few self defense lessons and stick a cork in your ass.

FortySeven · 28-09-2015 12:22AM

According to the citizens site anything over €635 is 90 days default. If there is more than one you could be looking at consecutive sentence, a lot depends on what efforts you have made to pay. 90 days, even with remission I doubt they would let you right back out. It's a three month sentence.

Ellie2008 · 28-09-2015 12:23AM

sean2591 wrote: »

I know what you are saying but I wouuldn't be going around boasting about it. I don't think people would think it's the same being in prison for not paying fines compared to murder or dealing drugs or armed robbery

I think most people if you'd been in prison would ask what for, it's common knowledge that people go to prison for unpaid fines, I personally think it's ridiculous, prison to me is for people who have committed serious crimes against the person there are other ways of dealing with the rest like seizing assets etc.

Stheno · 28-09-2015 12:27AM

sean2591 wrote: »

Yeah if I tell them/they find out they would be.

Most of the stuff happened about 18 months ago when I was all over the place. I got done for drink driving, no insurance, no tax, driving unaccompanied and all that. There was also a public order thing. I just looked at the paper with everything on it and I think with everything the fines are €2,800 and the number of days in lieu is actually 45. I was in court a good few times and they kept on waiting for everything to be sorted. Solicitor reckoned I was looking at getting a suspended sentence but I got a good probation report so the judge fined me and I was banned from driving. I was working so that probably helped and I got 9 months to pay but that time is up now.

The contract I was on was for 18 months and finished 2 weeks ago and I am looking for something else and have good plans for the future but right now am between jobs so it makes sense to get this over with now. The Guard calling just brought things to a head.

I have been been arrested a few times now - but not for a good while now - but thinking of time in prison is different. This might sound bad but when I was 19 and over on the J1 in America I got arrested over there and was in jail for 3 days so I know I can do a few days but have no idea what it's like here. I just can't afford €2,800 and it's not like it would change my record.

I don't think you'll be out in a few hours if you've 45 days to serve tbh

starling · 28-09-2015 12:27AM

Just out of interest, over the 9 months that you mentioned, did you make any payments or anything?

Know anything about prison?

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