Know anything about prison?

sean2591

Looking like I will be going there. Only for unpaid fines for driving stuff. They add up to alot and I don't want to end up in debt so going to do the time instead. I already have the convictions so it won't change my record but I will save on the fines. Added together it's about 30 days but the guard I was talking to said I would probably only do a few days at most and that some people with fines only do a few hours. The guard was sound and gave me a few days to get things to get sorted.

So just wondering if anybody knows what it's like inside? Do people in for fines be kept apart from the regular prisoners? If you are in Dublin do you go to Mountjoy?

Ulysses Gaze

They'll pee in a cup and throw it on you.


I saw it in a movie.

BattleCorp

WATCH OUT FOR BROKEN POOL CUES IN THE SHOWER.

The Randy Riverbeast

Just get an admin to view it, the mods are merely their pawns.

Ulysses Gaze wrote: »

They'll pee in a cup and throw it on you.


I saw it in a movie.

You wont be watching any prison movies where you're going.

Brian from Bray

I know it's a cliche but don't drop the soap.

Lucyfur

Lesbians everywhere.

Saw it on the telly

Sunnyisland

All I remember is

A hungry feeling
Came o'er me stealing
And the mice were squealing
In my prison cell

And that auld triangle went jingle-jangle
All along the banks of the Royal Canal ...

The_Valeyard

I believe the cells have four walls and have curfew for prisoners :P

Watch orange is the new black and prepare for lots of horny women wanting to ride Ya!!! ....oh wait....


Actually, seriously, if you in for fines (kinda ridiculous) you might not even be put in the mainstream prison, but the 'holding area' for a few hours or a day.

starling

You need to get started with this ASAP: find a plan of the prison and get it tattooed onto yourself. Also get into rock-carving.

sean2591

The_Valeyard wrote: »

Actually, seriously, if you in for fines (kinda ridiculous) you might not even be put in the mainstream prison, but the 'holding area' for a few hours or a day.

That's what I'm hoping

questionmark?

You'll get a good night's sleep, three solid meals a day, free gym access.











And anal sex.

tomwaterford

Keep your head down,say nothing...you'll be out before ya know it
Short sentence..maybe just spend the time reading...you've no reason to make the best of it

Ellie2008

The_Valeyard wrote: »

I believe the cells have four walls and have curfew for prisoners :P

Watch orange is the new black and prepare for lots of horny women wanting to ride Ya!!! ....oh wait....


Actually, seriously, if you in for fines (kinda ridiculous) you might not even be put in the mainstream prison, but the 'holding area' for a few hours or a day.

If you're in for fines you'll be in there a whole 5 minutes OP I wouldn't worry too much about it, in fact I heard in a lot of places they process you & then release you straight after.

starling

questionmark? wrote: »

You'll get a good night's sleep, three solid meals a day, free gym access.











And anal sex.

If there's wifi, I'm in.

You'll probably be out of there and home before the Gardai who bring you. Not a terrible decision. If you're really unlucky and they have space to keep you for a few days, it'll be like the worst hostel ever, but you'll be in with other fine defaulters and remand prisioners so it won't be that threatening, just rather grim. But the threat of violence etc. is low.

Collie D

Ellie2008 wrote: »

If you're in for fines you'll be in there a whole 5 minutes OP I wouldn't worry too much about it, in fact I heard in a lot of places they process you & then release you straight after.

Been threads on this before and a few other posters in same situation and this seems to be the reality of it.

Failing that. Find the biggest, meanest ****er in there and shiv him to show the others you're not to messed with.

The_Valeyard

sean2591 wrote: »

That's what I'm hoping

Good luck OP, genuinely hope it goes well.

Maybe you could sneak a phone in and text us from the inside, the mods could place you in the prison forum for authentic feeling and everything :P

Uncle Ben

Ellie2008 wrote: »

If you're in for fines you'll be in there a whole 5 minutes OP I wouldn't worry too much about it, in fact I heard in a lot of places they process you & then release you straight after.

Yep, there was a case down here where the con was released from Castlerea before the gardai had got back to Salthill station in Galway.

nullzero

Smuggle some class A's in inside your rectum and you'll be as popular as can be. That and try to befriend Morgan Freeman, he has been known to get things from time to time.

Naos

When you take a crap, make sure one leg is free from your boxers & trousers.

Ruu

Are you brainy? Maybe have the guards open a library and teach lads how to get their leaving cert.

Make sure to make a joke that will make your fellow prisoners crack up first time..or else..

biko

http://www.firsttimeinprison.co.uk/

Pick the biggest guy out and kill him. The rest of the time will be easier then.

starling

Naos wrote: »

When you take a crap, make sure one leg is free from your boxers & trousers.

I'm probably going to regret asking this, but.....why?

Collie D

Naos wrote: »

When you take a crap, make sure one leg is free from your boxers & trousers.

Possibly being naive here but...why?

Deep Six

Yeah you'll be grand, a few hours in holding and you'll be out. Just avoid guys with bald heads and spoons unless you want to experience the haagen daas effect.

Omackeral

Here's an Ask Me Anything thread that will give you answers to a good few questions you have.


http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057333310

Dubwat

Mountjoy is the commital prison for Dublin. Everyone going to gaol in Dublin gets sent there first.

Chances are you'll be booked in, given a cup of tea, and let out by lunchtime on licence.

As said already, there's a few serious/proper threads already on boards.ie about it.

tl;dr there's nothing to worry about really.

FortySeven

Depends on your luck, you may get robbed and beaten on your first day. Do not expect to be segregated, this will not happen not sure about mountjoy but Cloverhill is three to a cell, better hope you get on. All people on the intake will be thrown in one holding cell, possibly for hours. This is where you are most at risk. Usually the first one to start on the new guy is a pussy trying to make a name for himself, this is the guy to stand up to. Of course, he may turn out to be a complete nutjob so be prepared for a kicking. Take nothing of value with you unless you are willing to fight for it. When I say fight I mean extreme violence, not fisticuffs. There are no gentlemens rules.

You will be strip searched on intake, humiliating. Any weakness will be exploited to the full by others. You may get by easy, you may have the worst few weeks of your life.

Personally, I would find the money by whatever means. Prison is no place for anyone other than hardened criminals. I went in a boy and came out a thug that walked like 10 men. (I did a few years) Took me a long, long time to get back to normal.

milltown

starling wrote: »

I'm probably going to regret asking this, but.....why?

I'm guessing because it's easier to escape from becoming someone's bitch with trousers around one ankle, rather than binding them both together?

Uncle Ben

Dubwat wrote: »

Mountjoy is the commital prison for Dublin. Everyone going to gaol in Dublin gets sent there first.

Chances are you'll be booked in, given a cup of tea, and let out by lunchtime on licence.

As said already, there's a few serious/proper threads already on boards.ie about it.

tl;dr there's nothing to worry about really.

Unbelievable thread and country where most of the comments relating to first time in prison are, don't worry, you'll be okay and you'll be out in a few hours.

Collie D

Omackeral wrote: »

Here's an Ask Me Anything thread that will give you answers to a good few questions you have.


http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057333310

Read that at the time. Definitely one of the more interesting threads on AMA, if not Boards itself

melissak

Bring a harmonica and a tin cup, they dont have bars any more but you can bang it on the door for effect, and learn all the words to you're in the jailhouse now and any johnny cash song that takes your fancy and sing loudly in a maudlin, I'm oppressed, sort of voice. They should let you out fairly lively. If not, make hooch, and continue singing

housetypeb

I know not whether Laws be right,
Or whether Laws be wrong;
All that we know who lie in gaol
Is that the wall is strong;
And that each day is like a year,
A year whose days are long.

posturingpat

sean2591 wrote: »

Looking like I will be going there. Only for unpaid fines for driving stuff. They add up to alot and I don't want to end up in debt so going to do the time instead. I already have the convictions so it won't change my record but I will save on the fines. Added together it's about 30 days but the guard I was talking to said I would probably only do a few days at most and that some people with fines only do a few hours. The guard was sound and gave me a few days to get things to get sorted.

So just wondering if anybody knows what it's like inside? Do people in for fines be kept apart from the regular prisoners? If you are in Dublin do you go to Mountjoy?

Had a pal in Castlerea for a few months, got caught up oweing a few pound and ended up doing courier for a coke dealer and got caught with 10k worth. Did the time and has got back on the straight and narrow, says it was the scariest time of his life,nearly took heroin in there and there were lads in there when he was that went in for small misdemeanours and left as hardened criminals or junkies.

I'd advise paying all off and going nowhere near prison,money won't get you back the horrors you'll see in there if the stories my friend told me are to be believed.

sean2591

FortySeven wrote: »

Depends on your luck, you may get robbed and beaten on your first day. Do not expect to be segregated, this will not happen not sure about mountjoy but Cloverhill is three to a cell, better hope you get on. All people on the intake will be thrown in one holding cell, possibly for hours. This is where you are most at risk. Usually the first one to start on the new guy is a pussy trying to make a name for himself, this is the guy to stand up to. Of course, he may turn out to be a complete nutjob so be prepared for a kicking. Take nothing of value with you unless you are willing to fight for it. When I say fight I mean extreme violence, not fisticuffs. There are no gentlemens rules.

You will be strip searched on intake, humiliating. Any weakness will be exploited to the full by others. You may get by easy, you may have the worst few weeks of your life.

Personally, I would find the money by whatever means. Prison is no place for anyone other than hardened criminals. I went in a boy and came out a thug that walked like 10 men. (I did a few years) Took me a long, long time to get back to normal.

For real or taking the piss with me?

Collie D

Uncle Ben wrote: »

Unbelievable thread and country where most of the comments relating to first time in prison are, don't worry, you'll be okay and you'll be out in a few hours.

I would disagree. While sentences for violent crime are tame in this country I don't think a couple of speeding tickets merit a prison sentence.

Also, a (relatively speaking) safe prison system is not something to be unhappy about

Uncle Ben

sean2591 wrote: »

Looking like I will be going there. Only for unpaid fines for driving stuff. They add up to alot and I don't want to end up in debt so going to do the time instead. I already have the convictions so it won't change my record but I will save on the fines. Added together it's about 30 days but the guard I was talking to said I would probably only do a few days at most and that some people with fines only do a few hours. The guard was sound and gave me a few days to get things to get sorted.

So just wondering if anybody knows what it's like inside? Do people in for fines be kept apart from the regular prisoners? If you are in Dublin do you go to Mountjoy?

Just wondering is Sean2591 your prison number.

Deep Six

housetypeb wrote: »

I know not whether Laws be right,
Or whether Laws be wrong;
All that we know who lie in gaol
Is that the wall is strong;
And that each day is like a year,
A year whose days are long.

I know not what I did wrong,
Or what I can change,
But I came out of prison,
With an arsehole like a chewed orange

-Anonymous

Brian from Bray

posturingpat wrote: »

Had a pal in Castlerea for a few months, got caught up oweing a few pound and ended up doing courier for a coke dealer and got caught with 10k worth. Did the time and has got back on the straight and narrow, says it was the scariest time of his life,nearly took heroin in there and there were lads in there when he was that went in for small misdemeanours and left as hardened criminals or junkies.

I'd advise paying all off and going nowhere near prison,money won't get you back the horrors you'll see in there if the stories my friend told me are to be believed.

The OP will be fine as long as keeps his head down and to himself.

krazyklown

Unfortunately my brother had to go for a little 'holiday' for a driving offence almost five years ago. He got six weeks, served five and got Temporary Release for the last week. It was in the West of Ireland - he did three weeks in Castlerea in a campus inside the prison walls but not in the main prison. Basically, it was a group of houses, kind of like a college campus, with four bedrooms sharing two to a room. It was fairly relaxed, the visiting hours were more flexible than the main prison and you could hang out together in the yard. Surreal experience for our family as we have never been in that environment. He said the first night was terrifying - when he arrived at the prison he spent the night in a holding cell with a load of other guys who had just gone down (in court) and were fairly hyper. There were no beds only matresses on the ground and no toilets. Pretty grim stuff. The following day he was moved to the campus. He found he had to be on gaurd the whole time - as the newbie he was quizzed up and down; it was mostly travellers and he nearly got in a bit of trouble when he ended sitting at a table with the paedos which his housemates werent happy about. Seemingly, its social suicide on the inside. After a couple of days he settled a bit and felt relaxed enough. Ended up doing some training with one traveller who was awful keen to go sparring with my brother. He had a bare knuckle fight arranged for the day he was to be released and this was his training camp. My brother politely declined. Would have been massacred. The only hassle he had for fellas robbing stuff off him (cigarettes, confectionary) and eventually told us to stop bringing in stuff as he knew it would be taken on him.
He was then moved to an open prison in Loughlinstown in Cavan. This was basically like a boarding school for very low risk inmates. Literally you could walk out if you wanted - the gates were open during the day and they had classes in a nearby building (woodwork etc). He felt more unsafe here as again it was mostly travellers and with the shortage of gaurds there was a fair bit of intimidation. Drug use was rife in the place and my brother had the misfortune to bunk with a dealer. One day, when on his own, a guy came in and threatened to knife my brother if he didnt tell him where the dealer kept his stash. 'Ratting' was a big thing there - when my brother was granted temporary release (where you leave the prison and are confined to your home for the remainder of your sentence) he was confronted and challenged on who he 'ratted' on to get TR....
I think my brother adapted quite quickly and kept his head down, talked when he had to and tried to give as little away about himself as he could (didnt want anyone following him home!). Not a great experience for us as a family, had a big affect on my mother and the social stigma was felt for a bit. I would suggest avoiding it if possible. Best of luck with it.

posturingpat

sean2591 wrote: »

For real or taking the piss with me?

Being deadly serious,he says he'll never do anything close to illegal again he was that scared during his time there. But others are saying you mightn't even be put in the prison proper(there's a big difference being caught with a ****load of coke and not paying fines) and hopefully that is the case but if not i'd do all i can to pay off whatever i owe.

mikedoherty99

you'll be fine

FortySeven

sean2591 wrote: »

For real or taking the piss with me?

For real, the other thread posted had a few decent facts but to be honest, the POs have about 10% knowledge of what really goes on in prisons. If they had any idea there would be no drugs, no phones and no assaults. They just react. Usually too late.

DEFTLEFTHAND

The Governors name is Gordon.

Dan Chipowski

Let us know what Multiple Miggs says as you pass by him, eh.

starling

Don't know your circumstances OP but krazyklown raises a good point there about the effect on the rest of the family, it's worth thinking about that. Are there people close to you who will be losing sleep worrying about what's happening to you?

Not judging you but in fairness lots of people live with debt, and surely if you get to the stage of a custodial sentence there must have been a pattern of repeating whatever offences they were, no?

Brian from Bray

I wonder what percentage of the prison population in this country is made up of travellers ?

Ellie2008

Ellie2008 wrote: »

If you're in for fines you'll be in there a whole 5 minutes OP I wouldn't worry too much about it, in fact I heard in a lot of places they process you & then release you straight after.

And give you money to get a bus home.

sean2591

krazyklown wrote: »

Unfortunately my brother had to go for a little 'holiday' for a driving offence almost five years ago. He got six weeks, served five and got Temporary Release for the last week. It was in the West of Ireland - he did three weeks in Castlerea in a campus inside the prison walls but not in the main prison. Basically, it was a group of houses, kind of like a college campus, with four bedrooms sharing two to a room. It was fairly relaxed, the visiting hours were more flexible than the main prison and you could hang out together in the yard. Surreal experience for our family as we have never been in that environment. He said the first night was terrifying - when he arrived at the prison he spent the night in a holding cell with a load of other guys who had just gone down (in court) and were fairly hyper. There were no beds only matresses on the ground and no toilets. Pretty grim stuff. The following day he was moved to the campus. He found he had to be on gaurd the whole time - as the newbie he was quizzed up and down; it was mostly travellers and he nearly got in a bit of trouble when he ended sitting at a table with the paedos which his housemates werent happy about. Seemingly, its social suicide on the inside. After a couple of days he settled a bit and felt relaxed enough. Ended up doing some training with one traveller who was awful keen to go sparring with my brother. He had a bare knuckle fight arranged for the day he was to be released and this was his training camp. My brother politely declined. Would have been massacred. The only hassle he had for fellas robbing stuff off him (cigarettes, confectionary) and eventually told us to stop bringing in stuff as he knew it would be taken on him.
He was then moved to an open prison in Loughlinstown in Cavan. This was basically like a boarding school for very low risk inmates. Literally you could walk out if you wanted - the gates were open during the day and they had classes in a nearby building (woodwork etc). He felt more unsafe here as again it was mostly travellers and with the shortage of gaurds there was a fair bit of intimidation. Drug use was rife in the place and my brother had the misfortune to bunk with a dealer. One day, when on his own, a guy came in and threatened to knife my brother if he didnt tell him where the dealer kept his stash. 'Ratting' was a big thing there - when my brother was granted temporary release (where you leave the prison and are confined to your home for the remainder of your sentence) he was confronted and challenged on who he 'ratted' on to get TR....
I think my brother adapted quite quickly and kept his head down, talked when he had to and tried to give as little away about himself as he could (didnt want anyone following him home!). Not a great experience for us as a family, had a big affect on my mother and the social stigma was felt for a bit. I would suggest avoiding it if possible. Best of luck with it.

Thanks for writing all that. Didn't think that prisons were like that here. Must have been rough on him. He wasn't in for fines though was he?

I don't live at home anymore. Wasn't going to say anything to the folks - just gonna say I was going away for a few days to cover it

DEFTLEFTHAND

Brian from Bray wrote: »

I wonder what percentage of the prison population in this country is made up of travellers ?

Careful now Brian.

Brian from Bray

Brian from Bray wrote: »

I wonder what percentage of the prison population in this country is made up of travellers ?

Well if the OP brings his gates and power tools with him, they'll be nicked. But I suspect he won't, and the traveller population in remand will be a lot less troubling than the ones in for more serious offences. But even still, remand and fine defaulters sections are not known for violent crime.