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namloc1980 · 25-09-2015 7:38am

Are these going to be direct flights? Norwegian Air fly 787 Dreamliners.

keithclancy · 25-09-2015 9:23am

namloc1980 wrote: »

Are these going to be direct flights? Norwegian Air fly 787 Dreamliners.

Doubt it .. runway is too short, would probably be a stopover somewhere.

namloc1980 · 25-09-2015 9:34am

keithclancy wrote: »

Doubt it .. runway is too short, would probably be a stopover somewhere.

Most sources on twitter saying it's direct. But if it's a stopover can't see it being a success. Who wants to fly 2 hours to Oslo, layover and then 7 hours to Boston?

gimmick · 25-09-2015 9:52am

keithclancy wrote: »

Doubt it .. runway is too short, would probably be a stopover somewhere.

Is this not an over told myth?

draiochtanois · 25-09-2015 9:57am

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namloc1980 · 25-09-2015 10:12am

gimmick wrote: »

Is this not an over told myth?

Not when it comes to a 787. According to Boeings own fact sheet Cork's runway is too short to accommodate it.

namloc1980 · 25-09-2015 10:13am

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What type of plane though?

draiochtanois · 25-09-2015 10:17am

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keithclancy · 25-09-2015 10:52am

gimmick wrote: »

Is this not an over told myth?

http://modernairliners.com/boeing-787-dreamliner/boeing-787-dreamliner-specs

Take Off distance at MTOW at sea level (ISA)
10,300 ft (3,100 m)
High Thrust Rating: 8,500 ft (2,600 m)

Cork is 2133 meters (6988 feet)

Fabio · 25-09-2015 10:57am

It would likely be a 737-800 which they already use on their Oslo to Dubai route which is slightly longer than Cork to Boston. Also they've an A320NEO on order which could do it too.

Cosmo Kramer · 25-09-2015 10:59am

So is this just going to be a 737 service then? That would cause issues westbound in strong winds - a refueling stop somewhere in Canada like Gander or St John's may often be required.

thomil · 25-09-2015 11:12am

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That is not entirely correct. The take-off run for the Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner, which is the backbone of Norwegian's long haul fleet, is between 2600 and 3100 meters at MTOW (Maximum Take Off Weight), depending on configuration. The thing is, the aircraft will not be taking off from Cork at anywhere near MTOW, mainly because it doesn't need to.
The Great Circle Distance from ORK to BOS is 4708 kilometers. This is a bit over one quarter of the maximum range of the Dreamliner at 13600 kilometers. So, they'll take off with their tanks half filled at maximum, which should drastically cut down on take-off weight. I don't think there'll be much underbelly cargo outbound from Cork as well, which will further cut down the take-off weight. I can see it working out from Cork.
Operationally, it also makes sense. Apparently, Norwegian is setting up a base in Boston, operation a range of other long and medium haul flights as well, so the aircraft will probably operate straight BOS-ORK-BOS, without being routed through OSL or other airports.

AugustusMinimus · 25-09-2015 11:18am

Is the runway extension still on the cards?

draiochtanois · 25-09-2015 11:30am

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keithclancy · 25-09-2015 11:43am

thomil wrote: »

That is not entirely correct. The take-off run for the Boeing 787-8 Dreamliner, which is the backbone of Norwegian's long haul fleet, is between 2600 and 3100 meters at MTOW (Maximum Take Off Weight), depending on configuration. The thing is, the aircraft will not be taking off from Cork at anywhere near MTOW, mainly because it doesn't need to.
The Great Circle Distance from ORK to BOS is 4708 kilometers. This is a bit over one quarter of the maximum range of the Dreamliner at 13600 kilometers. So, they'll take off with their tanks half filled at maximum, which should drastically cut down on take-off weight. I don't think there'll be much underbelly cargo outbound from Cork as well, which will further cut down the take-off weight. I can see it working out from Cork.
Operationally, it also makes sense. Apparently, Norwegian is setting up a base in Boston, operation a range of other long and medium haul flights as well, so the aircraft will probably operate straight BOS-ORK-BOS, without being routed through OSL or other airports.

That's true, but you don't have a fall back plan if the wind is not blowing the correct way.

At least you can switch runway at Dublin if you have a problem.

thomil · 25-09-2015 11:50am

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Nice attempt at attacking the poster instead of dealing with the facts. Says a lot more about you, than it does about me.

However, that doesn't change the facts. The figures you quoted are for a full 787-8, with the maximum number of passengers, cargo and fuel technically possible crammed in there. That will simply not be needed from Cork, and no airline will fly around excess fuel. If the tanks only need to be half full, that's all the fuel that will be taken on. That goes for EVERY airline that wants to run a profit.

I won't rule out that they may operate the route using another aircraft, it certainly is doable for a 737 as well, but from all that I can see, there's no reason to rule out a Dreamliner right from the start.

draiochtanois · 25-09-2015 11:54am

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keithclancy · 25-09-2015 12:01pm

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Well not really ... if the tank isn't full of fuel then it's not full.

thomil · 25-09-2015 12:02pm

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Except that you're not, but don't let me keep you from living in your dream world. If you believe that ANY airline will just fly around with excess weight, then there's no further purpose in discussing this matter with you.

leahyl · 25-09-2015 12:11pm

Lets move on please and keep discussing this in a civil manner

namloc1980 · 25-09-2015 12:20pm

would want to be very competitive fares to sit on a 737 for 7 hours!

lisasimpson · 25-09-2015 12:41pm

Hopefully if this goes head the opportunity is grabbed with both hands and made a success.
Also on a side note i hope the city jet service is a success....they have put a lot of advertising onto it even on a national scale, its not too often you hear cork airport getting promoted nationally..twill help put the airport in the minds of people outside of cork

keithclancy · 25-09-2015 1:14pm

lisasimpson wrote: »

Hopefully if this goes head the opportunity is grabbed with both hands and made a success.
Also on a side note i hope the city jet service is a success....they have put a lot of advertising onto it even on a national scale, its not too often you hear cork airport getting promoted nationally..twill help put the airport in the minds of people outside of cork

Hopefully they have a stairs this time :pac:

Jamie2k9 · 25-09-2015 1:46pm

Do you work for Aer Lingus by any chance?

Aircraft wise EI never had suitable ones to operate from Cork and still don't.

leahyl · 25-09-2015 2:04pm

namloc1980 wrote: »

would want to be very competitive fares to sit on a 737 for 7 hours!

I know nothing about planes - is a 737 not very big?

Jamie2k9 · 25-09-2015 2:11pm

leahyl wrote: »

I know nothing about planes - is a 737 not very big?

Have you ever flown Ryanair, if so that's it.

namloc1980 · 25-09-2015 2:13pm

thomil wrote: »

Except that you're not, but don't let me keep you from living in your dream world. If you believe that ANY airline will just fly around with excess weight, then there's no further purpose in discussing this matter with you.

leahyl wrote: »

I know nothing about planes - is a 737 not very big?

Same as the ones Ryanair fly.

leahyl · 25-09-2015 2:18pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Have you ever flown Ryanair, if so that's it.

Ah you're not serious!! Would definitely want to be very reasonable prices alright!

Jamie2k9 · 25-09-2015 2:20pm

leahyl wrote: »

Ah you're not serious!! Would definitely want to be very reasonable prices alright!

Indeed but it's only for the year, the MAX may be a better aircraft in terms of space inside which comes in 2017.

You could easily be looking at fares for less than 300 return with these guys.

leahyl · 25-09-2015 2:21pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Indeed but it's only for the year, the MAX may be a better aircraft in terms of space inside which comes in 2017.

You could easily be looking at fares for less than 300 return with these guys.

Yeah I just stuck it into Wikipedia there and I saw that about the new aircraft coming on stream.

Less than 300 return sounds good to me!

gimmick · 25-09-2015 2:41pm

Confimred now by various outlets.

I have no real problem with a 737. Not a huge difference between seating in these and economy in the usual trans atlantic planes.

Handy as well as we are planning to go to DC again next year in Novmeber. Looking forward to see prices.

Jamie2k9 · 25-09-2015 2:52pm

gimmick wrote: »

Confimred now by various outlets.

I have no real problem with a 737. Not a huge difference between seating in these and economy in the usual trans atlantic planes.

Handy as well as we are planning to go to DC again next year in Novmeber. Looking forward to see prices.

I would expect the service will be a May-October service, would be very surprised if they go year round right away however suspect it will depend and won't be known for some time.

They will offer no connections from BOS so you would have to self connect if you want to get to DC.

namloc1980 · 25-09-2015 2:55pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

Indeed but it's only for the year, the MAX may be a better aircraft in terms of space inside which comes in 2017.

You could easily be looking at fares for less than 300 return with these guys.

The MAX and 737-800 are the same size.

gimmick · 25-09-2015 2:55pm

Jamie2k9 wrote: »

I would expect the service will be a May-October service, would be very surprised if they go year round right away however suspect it will depend and won't be known for some time.

They will offer no connections from BOS so you would have to self connect if you want to get to DC.

Nope - year round

Boston flights will be operated four to five times weekly.

“The addition of direct year-round connectivity to North America has long been a target for Cork Airport," MacCarthy said, adding that the news was a major strategic boost for the region.

Ive gotten the train from DC to NY before, so wouldnt mind doing the same from Boston to DC tbh. Or just fly from Boston to DC. Point is, We dont have to go via London or drive to Dublin

leahyl · 25-09-2015 3:06pm

It really is great news for our city

Hopefully they will roll out a New York flight before long

keithclancy · 25-09-2015 3:07pm

https://twitter.com/CorkAirport/status/647399325094531072

Official for sure and looks like Barcelona is another route as well !

Jamie2k9 · 25-09-2015 3:15pm

gimmick wrote: »

Nope - year round

Ive gotten the train from DC to NY before, so wouldnt mind doing the same from Boston to DC tbh. Or just fly from Boston to DC. Point is, We dont have to go via London or drive to Dublin

We will see, it will be leisure heavy dependent so I expect nothing is certain yet. Anyway whichever, it's positive and hopefully will be supported.

pwurple · 25-09-2015 3:34pm

Wahoo!

I'd see these Boston flights being hugely popular with Cork business, depending on the times. Couple of big hitters are going to eat these up, hopefully. Which might make them put on more.

Looks like the plane will be gonig Barcelona - cork - boston - cork - barcelona?

roundymac · 25-09-2015 3:35pm

Don't know why people are getting excited about 737s. There will still be 31/32" seat pitch which is the same as Aer Lingus/Delta/BA.

keithclancy · 25-09-2015 3:38pm

roundymac wrote: »

Don't know why people are getting excited about 737s. There will still be 31/32" seat pitch which is the same as Aer Lingus/Delta/BA.

If you live in Cork it's potentially cutting 3-4 hours off your Journey and far less stress.

I'd definitely put up with that

smurfjed · 25-09-2015 3:40pm

On a DRY runway @ 10C the aircraft will be limited to 425,000 lbs, with an empty weight of around 260,000 lbs, the trip fuel with a 40 kt headwind will be about 57,000 and another 7000 for the alternate, so the payload will be 100,000 lbs.

The problem is when it rains, if the runway is considered WET, then the minimum VMCG limited runway length will be 7700 feet which is longer than Corks longest runway.

Its quite a gamble to plan a route with the expectation that the runway will always stay dry (even with grooving). So i doubt that it will be a 787-8.

(Source of data FAA QRH, hence the units in LBS)

namloc1980 · 25-09-2015 3:49pm

Confirmed on the Norwegian website that the routes will be serviced by 737-800 and 737 MAX when they are delivered in 2017.

mickmmc · 25-09-2015 6:00pm

Aircoach services to Dublin Airport/City were very busy during the summer months; Kearney's of Cork were also providing relief services.

On some occasions, Aircoach were leaving passengers behind.

In my opinion, the Aircoach bus service has been damaging to Cork Airport; the Aircoach service has been an outstanding success.

Are people from Munster going to use these new services rather than travel to Dublin Airport via Aircoach?

namloc1980 · 25-09-2015 6:02pm

mickmmc wrote: »

Aircoach services to Dublin Airport/City were very busy during the summer months; Kearney's of Cork were also providing relief services.

On some occasions, Aircoach were leaving passengers behind.

In my opinion, the Aircoach bus service has been damaging to Cork Airport; the Aircoach service has been an outstanding success.

Are people from Munster going to use these new services rather than travel to Dublin Airport via Aircoach?

If the price is right why wouldn't they?

Jamie2k9 · 25-09-2015 6:14pm

mickmmc wrote: »

Aircoach services to Dublin Airport/City were very busy during the summer months; Kearney's of Cork were also providing relief services.

On some occasions, Aircoach were leaving passengers behind.

In my opinion, the Aircoach bus service has been damaging to Cork Airport; the Aircoach service has been an outstanding success.

Are people from Munster going to use these new services rather than travel to Dublin Airport via Aircoach?

They carry a lot of passengers to Dublin City only, I don' really believe it's damaging the airport as if there was no bus people would still get to Dublin to fly where ever they wanted.

lisasimpson · 25-09-2015 6:22pm

Its great news. EMC must be delighted.... with all the mutli nationals in cork, UCC, etc can see a demand for it. Cork Airport please don't let this opportunity to be messed up... great for the hotels, b&bs car hire companies taxis, retail etc.. Shannon Airport wont be happy though
There are no pleasing some people though I had a good giggle at some comments on social media for the announcement.. someone even said they would rather stay using Dublin because they didn't want to go through the Kinsale road roundabout..

I do wonder about the 3/4 times a week flight and then with New York flights coming along in 2017, I doubt it will stay that frequent once New York starts. would there be that much demand all year round... hopefully they will be priced reasonable enough, if they are I will definitely avail of the service

roundymac · 25-09-2015 6:23pm

Like ya, 3am coach to Dublin or a 9am taxi to Cork International Airport:P I know the one I'd take.

Ludo · 25-09-2015 7:43pm

roundymac wrote: »

Like ya, 3am coach to Dublin or a 9am taxi to Cork International Airport:P I know the one I'd take.

Add to that the unbelievable annoyance of dealing with the crowding in Dublin airport compared to the complete simplicity of breezing thru security in Cork airport....I cant understand people who travel to Dublin if there is a suitable flight from Cork. It is worth paying more for a Cork flight for the time and hassle saving unless there is a huge difference which there nearly never is.

Cork Lass · 25-09-2015 7:44pm

I'm thrilled to hear this news. I normally fly to the US via London in order to support our little airport. This is a massive boost so I hope everyone supports it.

namloc1980 · 25-09-2015 8:13pm

The is some amount of people whinging and moaning on twitter and Facebook about no US preclearance in Cork for these flights. Some ppl are never happy.

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