Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 (*EVERYONE READ MOD POST in OP)

ThunbergsAreGo · 21-09-2015 01:41PM

It seems like it is already sealed with most fans, it is just a continuation of last year. utterly directionless

Kerrigooney · 21-09-2015 01:41PM

Lads,if ye're happy enough with Rodgers and the dung he is serving up then fair play to ye but it's breaking my heart. We are brutal.

PropJoe10 · 21-09-2015 01:41PM

Rodgers deserves a hell of a lot of credit for that 13/14 season, just as he deserves a hell of a lot of criticism for what's gone on since.

Buford T. Justice XIX · 21-09-2015 01:41PM

Demosthenese wrote: »

Regardless of what we've spent, regardless of who is in our first 11, what i find difficult with Brendan is that this exact time last season when we lost Sturridge he spent 10-12 games going through the motions with his players, swapping formations, tinkering with players positions and by the time he finally got them going, we were basically out of everything.

Fast forward to this season, we are still tinkering with formations, we are still unsure of our best 11 (as he is), and the most important thing that really grinds my gears is that he doesn't still seem to be able to get a consistent performance from his players. We were OK yesterday, we at least look ok in attack and the players performed - but goals win games and we missed some sitters that to be fair even Coutinho should have been shot for. (but he'll not be cos we all love him). But against United we were frozen with fear, we were passionless and we were totally flat, until they were out of sight.

That is my worry, we have enough quality that IF we were to get them firing like say Leicester (At times) it would be great to watch. Brendan doesn't seem to be able to motivate this group of players consistently. There's alot of teams in the PL that give us trouble purely cos they have a bit of bite, passion and organisation ... we need to match them. But you never know which Liverpool will turn up.

Then of course there is the Sahko/Moreno scenario ... is he sometimes stubborn or just stupid? Time will tell. I don't think any ONE game will decide his faith, but an accumulation of crappy results and performances until xmas ... he'll seal his own fate with decisions like those.

+1 on all the above.

We played well until Sturridge went off and we seemed to go for more of a 433 than the 352 we had before and the wheels came off the wagon.

Grayditch · 21-09-2015 01:43PM

Mr.H wrote: »

Of course Suarez was the only reason we got 2nd...................

You can say it like that if you like, but that's not what I posted.

It's time to start looking at that golden season and realising just how ignored the defensive frailties were by Rodgers and how obvious it would be that without Suarez, we'd have been in trouble in a lot if those games. I'm not saying he didn't get us playing some lovely football in midfield and up front, but where is it now? Chap has no plan.

Alonso77 · 21-09-2015 01:53PM

Still can't believe people are bringing up 2 seasons ago to justify Rodgers position now. Are we to ignore the sheer drudgery of the last 13 months? How long can these mediocre performances be accepted before the "but but but we nearly won the lg 2 years ago!" brigade stop using this as a deflection from the depressing here and now?

brevity · 21-09-2015 01:54PM

https://twitter.com/SportsJOEdotie/status/645942813394386948

Origi could be sent on loan. Again.

Not sure he was "big money" though. Click bait...

weldoninhio · 21-09-2015 02:03PM

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

You shouldn't argue, we're all adults here. Let's just have a simple talk.

Hahahahahahahaha, you shouldn't argue, are you not back from a 3 month holiday for exactly that???

prettyboy81 · 21-09-2015 02:11PM

ricero wrote: »

Jasus turning your nose up at Carlo ancelloti one of the the top 5 managers in world football. I'd take him in a heartbeat probaly even over klopp.

Not turning my nose up at him, just don't think we would have the resources to get him and for him to deliver longevity/success at the club.

Mr.H · 21-09-2015 02:11PM

Ok you guys are right in a way about bringing up 2 seasons ago.

But here is the thing. You are saying that Rodgers is not good enough to be at a club like Liverpool. But 2 years ago proves for a fact that he is.

Last year was a disaster. We lost the best player in the league to Barca. Some thought we didnt replace him which is a good point. But I dont think we needed to. Without Suarez we scored over 60 goals in the league (without his goals and assists) so really if we could get about 10 goals from a replacement we would have been fine. Our issue was try to stop conceding goals. Not how to score the goals Suarez would have.

Then things went worse when Sturridge missed most of the season. Even when he played he was injured. So effectively now we missed another 20-30 goals (from goals he could have scored and assists/assisted in build up play etc). That is like Real Madrid losing Bale and Ronaldo for a season. Or Arsenal losing Sanchez and Ozil or Chelsea losing Hazard and Costa or even City losing Silva and Aguero.

Last season was crazy what happened us and it happened not because of tactics but more that we were unprepared for losing Sturridge.

Now I can bring up the fact that Sturridge's injuries are b8llocks again if youd like but we dont really need to get into that.

Bringing up 2 years ago is only justifying why people have faith in Rodgers and feel he is of course good enough to be here. But results are not going our way right now and that means "deserve" or not, time is running out for Rodgers and when change has to happen I can only see it happening in one way

21-09-2015 02:12PM

Kerrigooney wrote: »

Lads,if ye're happy enough with Rodgers and the dung he is serving up then fair play to ye but it's breaking my heart. We are brutal.

I think there's an element of some of us are confident of him getting it together. We went on a great run pointswise for a 1/3 ish of last season without a functioning striker.

Ings has come on and done what he was told in a few games and impressed, he got time up front in his favoured position yesterday. I'd expect him to feature up there frequently from now on alongside either Sturridge or Benteke. I've no doubt Ings impressed in training, he's now shown that potentially he is well able for the step up to Top 4 aspiring club. All going well Sturridge & Benteke will start PL games and Ings will get at least half an hour, he's shown he's better than that though, which is good, might start with Sturridge or Benteke on the bench.

I reckon Sakho's Mrs having a kid at the start of the season was a factor in him not featuring, not being 100% in training or whatever. I'd expect him to remain in the starting 11 for the PL games going forward.

With Rodgers he seems to run something akin to a cult (ish), you don't come in and do your own thing and get the chance to get on the pitch, you come in do as the cult requires and than you get on the pitch. Like what Gerrard described with Balotelli defending corners, once Balotelli got p1ssed off with doing what the cult expected of him he was dropped regardless of there being little other options.

The result yesterday was poor, very poor, but the performance was much better than the result imo.

Now I don't expect folks to stop p1ssing and moaning about Rodgers out Klopp in, £300m spent, Sterling ushered out, Gerrard not kept et etc etc but personally I look forward to the games and do hope that we go on one of the customary great runs sooner rather than later and that it's more prolonged than last season's one.

Call me delusional or an apologist or whatever ye deem appropriate.

Francie Barrett · 21-09-2015 02:13PM

Has Origi slept with Rodgers daughter or something?

Speaking of loanees, not sure if it was mentioned, but I see Luis Alberto scored again.

redzerdrog · 21-09-2015 02:16PM

The season two years ago has proven to be the exception rather than the rule.

In every other league season he has proven he is not up to scratch.
In every league cup campaign he has proven he is not up to it.
In every fa cup campaign he has proven he is not up to it.
In every Europa league campaign he has proven he is not up to it.
In the champions league he has proven he is not up to it.
In the transfer market he has proven he is not up to it.

Grayditch · 21-09-2015 02:22PM

Mr.H wrote: »

Ok you guys are right in a way about bringing up 2 seasons ago.

But here is the thing. You are saying that Rodgers is not good enough to be at a club like Liverpool. But 2 years ago proves for a fact that he is.

One mediocre season. Then one great season. Then one disastrous season. Now the beginning of another disastrous season. Coupled with complete ineptitude in Europe and some terrible purchases, I have to disagree. It happens to players and managers. Sometimes it's just not going to work out.

Caovyn Lineah · 21-09-2015 02:30PM

weldoninhio wrote: »

Hahahahahahahaha, you shouldn't argue, are you not back from a 3 month holiday for exactly that???

Hey buddy xx

5starpool · 21-09-2015 02:31PM

Augeo wrote: »

I think there's an element of some of us are confident of him getting it together. We went on a great run pointswise for a 1/3 ish of last season without a functioning striker.

Just on this bit, while I know it is true in terms of points gained we were still not good in most of those games. The games we won in between the 2 united games were almost all by a single goal (Swansea 4-1 at home was the outlier result really).

Points are all that matters ultimately and if we struggled to a 2-1 win every week no one would ultimately complain, but that's not likely to happen. We were dogshít to watch almost all of last season, and it's been the same this season so far largely. I think he is under the most pressure now that he has been all along, and unless both results and performances improve, he won't last much longer.

I've already said that the performance yesterday was better, but it needs to continue to be better and bring results with it. When confidence is low though it's hard to string things together.

Caovyn Lineah · 21-09-2015 02:36PM

5starpool wrote: »

Just on this bit, while I know it is true in terms of points gained we were still not good in most of those games. The games we won in between the 2 united games were almost all by a single goal (Swansea 4-1 at home was the outlier result really).

Points are all that matters ultimately and if we struggled to a 2-1 win every week no one would ultimately complain, but that's not likely to happen. We were dogshít to watch almost all of last season, and it's been the same this season so far largely. I think he is under the most pressure now that he has been all along, and unless both results and performances improve, he won't last much longer.

I've already said that the performance yesterday was better, but it needs to continue to be better and bring results with it. When confidence is low though it's hard to string things together.

A good post.

NukaCola · 21-09-2015 02:39PM

We are fast approaching 1 ppg. Not sure how anyone could be confident about BR at this stage. I enjoyed the season we came second as much as any but how long can BR continue based on that season? We are so far from that season performance wise its unreal.

Instead of looking at what BR has done in the past, lets look at his future.

After Aston Villa we have Everton, Spurs, Southampton, Chelsea, Crystal Palace, ManCity. Those run of fixtures are a perfect opportunity for him to show us he has what it takes. Another poor run and he should be let go.

Caovyn Lineah · 21-09-2015 02:42PM

I'm glad to see a much more reasoned discussion about him and his future today. 100 times better than the predictable "Rodgers out" posts from yesterday.

Mr.H · 21-09-2015 02:47PM

Grayditch wrote: »

One mediocre season. Then one great season. Then one disastrous season. Now the beginning of another disastrous season. Coupled with complete ineptitude in Europe and some terrible purchases, I have to disagree. It happens to players and managers. Sometimes it's just not going to work out.

I get what your saying and even I think his time is almost up. I just dont like the way people are not giving hijm credit for what he has done here.

When he took over this was the state of Liverpool

8th in the premier league
Top scorer was Suarez with 11 goals

26 players (including some youths but not including loans out) in the first team set up on the books and 13 of them where over the age of 27. In fact 7 of them were over 30.

We had players such as:
Charlie Adam
Andy Carroll
Maxi Rodríguez
Fábio Aurélio
Doni
Aquilani
Joe Cole

All at the club picking up a lot of money in wages.

We had no European football, our wage bill was astronomical, our average age was late 20's and We fell further behind EL challenging teams let alone the top 4. We looked tactically inept

What Brendan did:
Reduced our average age to low 20's
Brought European football
Gave us a title challenge that was unexpected
Brought the best out of Suarez
Reduced the wage bill by getting rid of over paid old pensioners
Brought nice attacking football

He had 3 full seasons so far

First season he improved on Kenny's season while fixing the mess that was left for him

Second season he gave us a title challenge that Kenny would not have

Third season he lost THE best player in the league and the second top scorer in the league. That meant we had a bad season but qualified for EL which is a pathway into the CL

MightyMandarin · 21-09-2015 02:47PM

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

I'm glad to see a much more reasoned discussion about him and his future today. 100 times better than the predictable "Rodgers out" posts from yesterday.

RodgersOut

Alonso77 · 21-09-2015 02:49PM

Caovyn Lineah wrote: »

I'm glad to see a much more reasoned discussion about him and his future today. 100 times better than the predictable "Rodgers out" posts from yesterday.

Praise from Caesar.

jesus_thats_gre · 21-09-2015 02:51PM

brevity wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SportsJOEdotie/status/645942813394386948

Origi could be sent on loan. Again.

Not sure he was "big money" though. Click bait...

Quite a few here suggesting him in their starting 11s before matches too.

I really do wonder what the ****ing point is.

JB81 · 21-09-2015 02:58PM

Mr.H wrote: »

I get what your saying and even I think his time is almost up. I just dont like the way people are not giving hijm credit for what he has done here.

When he took over this was the state of Liverpool

8th in the premier league
Top scorer was Suarez with 11 goals

26 players (including some youths but not including loans out) in the first team set up on the books and 13 of them where over the age of 27. In fact 7 of them were over 30.

We had players such as:
Charlie Adam
Andy Carroll
Maxi Rodríguez
Fábio Aurélio
Doni
Aquilani
Joe Cole

All at the club picking up a lot of money in wages.

We had no European football, our wage bill was astronomical, our average age was late 20's and We fell further behind EL challenging teams let alone the top 4. We looked tactically inept

What Brendan did:
Reduced our average age to low 20's
Brought European football
Gave us a title challenge that was unexpected
Brought the best out of Suarez
Reduced the wage bill by getting rid of over paid old pensioners
Brought nice attacking football

He had 3 full seasons so far

First season he improved on Kenny's season while fixing the mess that was left for him

Second season he gave us a title challenge that Kenny would not have

Third season he lost THE best player in the league and the second top scorer in the league. That meant we had a bad season but qualified for EL which is a pathway into the CL

Thats a fair post.
I don't post here much but enjoy looking in before and after games.
I am a Liverpool Football Club Fan and as part of that I support all managers and players that are working for the club at any one time, and wish they do well at all times. That doesn't mean I always agree with decisions or lack of decisions to do with the club.
I was not over the moon when Rodgers signed as he hadn't managed a club as big as this yet but I supported him, and he won my admiration in conjunction with Suarez , Sturridge, Sterling, Gerrard, Skrtel etc 2 years ago with a title challenge no one expected.
Last year was very disappointing but I think he deserved to be kept on based on the title challenge.
And I still support him and would love for him and the current crop to turn things around, but alas my patience is waning. I just don't see improvement from year to year and from game to game. There is no 'Learn from your mistakes', obvious mistakes to everyone.
I really want him to succeed for the sake of the club and not setting it back another 3-5 years for a new manager to 'settle' and 're-build'.
But he is making it difficult for me, and if he were sacked in the morning I really do think he would only have himself to blame.

Agent Coulson · 21-09-2015 03:08PM

This sums up Rodgers to me.

Always next season.

https://twitter.com/JamesPearceEcho/status/558266963764707328

Blatter · 21-09-2015 03:13PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

This sums up Rodgers to me.

Always next season.

https://twitter.com/JamesPearceEcho/status/558266963764707328

I wonder if any journalist would have the balls to confront him with that quote. As much as a politician Rodgers is, he'd struggle to explain that one!

Mr.H · 21-09-2015 03:14PM

JB81 wrote: »

Thats a fair post.
I don't post here much but enjoy looking in before and after games.
I am a Liverpool Football Club Fan and as part of that I support all managers and players that are working for the club at any one time, and wish they do well at all times. That doesn't mean I always agree with decisions or lack of decisions to do with the club.
I was not over the moon when Rodgers signed as he hadn't managed a club as big as this yet but I supported him, and he won my admiration in conjunction with Suarez , Sturridge, Sterling, Gerrard, Skrtel etc 2 years ago with a title challenge no one expected.
Last year was very disappointing but I think he deserved to be kept on based on the title challenge.
And I still support him and would love for him and the current crop to turn things around, but alas my patience is waning. I just don't see improvement from year to year and from game to game. There is no 'Learn from your mistakes', obvious mistakes to everyone.
I really want him to succeed for the sake of the club and not setting it back another 3-5 years for a new manager to 'settle' and 're-build'.
But he is making it difficult for me, and if he were sacked in the morning I really do think he would only have himself to blame.

I tend to agree.

He would undoubtedly have himself to blame.

I like Brendan and like yourself was underwhelmed when he signed. In fact I was delighted he turned us down and hoped that we would sign "a bigger name". I was even hoping the Martinez talks would lead to nothing other than putting pressure on a bigger name to sign.

Now while he has very much swayed me and most fans, I do also feel like my patience is running thin.

If he turns things around I will be chuffed for him. He will deserve every accolade he gets if he turns this around.

But I fear a few things have gone wrong during his tenure here and a few bad decisions have taken him off track. I worry that he is gone too far from his actual philosophy now to get the team working as the unit we seen a couple of seasons ago. Maybe its stubbornness or maybe its a couple of decisions that felt right at the time but come with an inability to unmake those decisions.

He tried to sign young talent with the likes of Markovic, Can, Sakho, Origi, Ilori.

He then tried to sign Premier league proven players like Lovren, Lallana, Benteke, Mignolet.

On paper these are good decisions. But unfortunately bad luck had dictated otherwise.

If his tenure does come to a close it will be an exciting time getting a new manager in and seeing new players and more change. But as you alluded to, it will just be the start of a new 5 year plan which means a potential couple of more years away from where we want to be

J Mysterio · 21-09-2015 03:15PM

brevity wrote: »

https://twitter.com/SportsJOEdotie/status/645942813394386948

Origi could be sent on loan. Again.

Not sure he was "big money" though. Click bait...

ffs

Alonso77 · 21-09-2015 03:15PM

Blatter wrote: »

I wonder if any journalist would have the balls to confront him with that quote. As much as a politician Rodgers is, he'd struggle to explain that one!

He doesnt half make it harder for himself with his utterings does our Brendy!

J Mysterio · 21-09-2015 03:16PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Has Origi slept with Rodgers daughter or something?

Have you seen his daughter?

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