Liverpool FC Team Talk/Gossip/Rumours Thread 2015/16 (*EVERYONE READ MOD POST in OP)

Francie Barrett · 21-09-2015 11:17AM

Gary Monk will not be the replacement, it makes no sense to replace what used to be a flavour of the day with another flavour of the day. That is not to say Monk won't go on to do good things, but it's just far too risky an option. I think the next manager is going to be someone proven at a high level. De Boer is not that guy either given how woeful the Dutch league is these days. Klopp is the very obvious target - but with each day that passes, the window of opportunity in getting him narrows. I still reckon that there is a decent chance that Benitez is going to be our next full time manager. I know people laughed at me when I said I had money on it at the end of last season, but I was and am convinced that Rodgers will not last the season, and Benitez may not either if there is any kind of stumble at Real. If experience at the highest level is the brief and Klopp does not materialize - then the very obvious candidate would be Benitez. A lot of what if's but we know Benitez would want the job and we can be bpretty confident that an experienced manager will be FSG's priority. With that in mind, would there be a better fit than Benitez assuming Klopp is unavailable?

Agent Coulson · 21-09-2015 11:17AM

Mr.H wrote: »

That stat is a little one sided though isnt it?

That stat doesnt say what other teams in the same period have spent.

For example Arsenal spent 10-15 million this summer?? (Cech and some kid) If they where in the Scottish league they would have spent more than anyone...........

Villa spent more than the whole Dutch league put together...............

Means nothing.

Look at the money spent over the last 4 years

4 years ago the table stood like this (2011-2012 which is the final table just before Rodgers took over)
1st - Man City 89
2nd - Man United 89
3rd - Arsenal 70
4th - Spurs 69
.....................
6th - Chelsea 64
.....................
8th - Liverpool 61

Since summer 2011:
United have spent £390M (not including falcao loan fee)
City have spent £350M
Chelsea have spent £380M
Liverpool have spent £270M (not including Ings tribunal fee)
Spurs have spent £245M
Arsenal have spent £200M

In 4 years we have been the 4th biggest spenders on a team that was 8th best.

We spent £25M more than Spurs who where 4th (8pts better) and £70M more than Arsenal who where 3rd (9pts better)

So yes we have spent ALMOST £300 million BUT if nobody else spent anything, that would actually be a good point

I don't give a sh1t what other teams spend or do I give a sh1t about what Liverpool do and Liverpool football club under the management of Brendan Rodgers spent/wasted £300m on new players 90% of them are average and we are in a worse place now than when he was hired.

Brendan isn't and has never been good enough to manage Liverpool football club.

brevity · 21-09-2015 11:19AM

Hangball Doughboy wrote: »

Those guys don't understand what YNWA means. You got to live it and breathe it, and of course pay 24:99 for the Official Liverpool F.C Boxer Shorts.

And matching socks.

Blatter · 21-09-2015 11:24AM

You can get 13/8 on Rodgers to be sacked by the new year.

http://www.oddschecker.com/football/football-specials/liverpool/brendan-rodgers-to-be-in-charge-of-liverpool-on-1-1-16

Good value imo. There's actually an arb opportunity available there because PP are giving 11/10 that he will be manager by then.

corwill · 21-09-2015 11:25AM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

- then the very obvious candidate would be Benitez. A lot of what if's but we know Benitez would want the job and we can be bpretty confident that an experienced manager will be FSG's priority. With that in mind, would there be a better fit than Benitez assuming Klopp is unavailable?

Have you been away for a bit?

Turtyturd · 21-09-2015 11:27AM

corwill wrote: »

Have you been away for a bit?

He is due to start falling out with his bosses.

MD1990 · 21-09-2015 11:30AM

Sakho as well as being a good defender (apart from the mistake fo the corner) is also a huge reason why we attack better. His passes through the lines are brillant. Allen when fit should come in for Milner who isn't good enough in CM.

corwill · 21-09-2015 11:31AM

Turtyturd wrote: »

He is due to start falling out with his bosses.

Yeah, let's count on that. He's had a whole 4 La Liga games, 10 points, he'll be available by the end of September!

Agent Coulson · 21-09-2015 11:32AM

Milner was guaranteed a central midfield role and made Vice-Captain by Brendan Rodgers do you really think he will be dropped.

J Mysterio · 21-09-2015 11:36AM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

Milner was guaranteed a central midfield role and made Vice-Captain by Brendan Rodgers do you really think he will be dropped.

He should be shunted out to LM/ LW.

Washington Irving · 21-09-2015 11:47AM

5starpool wrote: »

I haven't clicked those links, but does he speak English at all? I think I remember seeing somewhere that he doesn't, but I might be thinking of someone else. If he doesn't speak decent English then no point considering him I reckon.

Rafa wasn't entirely fluent when he got the job. I'd imagine Klopp knows enough to keep things ticking.

EDIT: I see everyone is talking about Emery. I'm tired and hungover and have made a fool of myself. Apologies.

MD1990 · 21-09-2015 11:49AM

Im not saying it will happen but Milner should be a squad player in his current form. Firmino can play well from the left I think too. A 4-3-3 with 2 wide forwards in Firmino & Sturridge with Clyne & Moreno overlaping could work .Benteke probably won't be fit .
Something like this for Villa at home.

Mignolet
Clyne

Can

Sakho----Moreno

Lucas

Allen(if fit)---Coutinho
---Sturridge----Ings----Firmino----

Francie Barrett · 21-09-2015 11:51AM

corwill wrote: »

Have you been away for a bit?

I don't think anyone other than me has said Rafa has a realistic chance at returning.

corwill · 21-09-2015 11:57AM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

I don't think anyone other than me has said Rafa has a realistic chance at returning.

For good reason, until at least May.

Bandana boy · 21-09-2015 11:59AM

Rafa is not coming back this season and most likely never will. He would be well down my list for replacments anyway , his style is too Negative to win an English League .

brevity · 21-09-2015 12:02PM

Bandana boy wrote: »

Rafa is not coming back this season and most likely never will. He would be well down my list for replacments anyway , his style is too Negative to win an English League .

Too negative... Pffft...Mourinho style has also been considered negative and he has won loads.

Anyways, Rafa won't be back - he's managing Madrid at the moment.

Klopp or Ancelotti - they have to be our targets. They would walk into any of the teams we are supposed to be competing with. Need to get them in before they are snapped up.

Knex* · 21-09-2015 12:08PM

If we don't count all of the games till now, and if we win our next game against Aston Villa, then we're averaging three points a game.

So we're grand, like. Nothing to worry about.

corwill · 21-09-2015 12:08PM

brevity wrote: »

Too negative... Pffft...Mourinho style has also been considered negative and he has won loads.

Anyways, Rafa won't be back - he's managing Madrid at the moment.

Klopp or Ancelotti - they have to be our targets. They would walk into any of the teams we are supposed to be competing with. Need to get them in before they are snapped up.

I think FSG might be a bit more insistent on a DoF this time around, which I can't see Rafa going for.

Mr.H · 21-09-2015 12:10PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I don't give a sh1t what other teams spend or do I give a sh1t about what Liverpool do and Liverpool football club under the management of Brendan Rodgers spent/wasted £300m on new players 90% of them are average and we are in a worse place now than when he was hired.

Brendan isn't and has never been good enough to manage Liverpool football club.

I cant say I agree in anyway

It matters of course what other teams have spent.

Sure its great that we have spent almost 300 million but if other teams spent more than that then how is that relevant?

We "improved" the team by 300 million but they "improved" their teams by 400 million and they where already way ahead of us............

You slag off our own players but you fail to see that other teams also struggle to buy players.

Is Fellaini better than Lallana?? He cost more

Is Shaw better than Moreno??

Is Gabriel better than Lovren??? really!!!

I said a few weeks ago that John Terry was finished and by the end of the season he wouldnt be a regular in the Chelsea side. I said that he right now as one of Chelsea's very few center backs would not improve our team (on the basis that Chelsea are struggling for defenders right now). low and behold I was right and Terry is finished.

Our team back in 2011-12

Reina
Johnson---Carragher---Škrtel----Enrique
Downing---Henderson---Gerrard---Kuyt

Suarez----Carroll

Doni, Agger, Kuyt, Adam, Bellamy, Spearing, Maxi, Lucas

That team finished 8th by the way

Your telling me that our team right now isnt better than that??

Migs
Clyne----Skrtel----Sakho---Moreno

Lucas

Hendo----Milner

Coutinho

Sturridge----Benteke

Lovren, Gomez, Can, Firmino, Ings, Ibe

our team is in a much better place now than it was when Rodgers took over.

Francie Barrett · 21-09-2015 12:23PM

Mr.H wrote: »

Our team back in 2011-12
Reina
Johnson---Carragher---Škrtel----Enrique
Downing---Henderson---Gerrard---Kuyt
Suarez----Carroll

Doni, Agger, Kuyt, Adam, Bellamy, Spearing, Maxi, Lucas

That team finished 8th by the way

Your telling me that our team right now isnt better than that??
Migs
Clyne----Skrtel----Sakho---Moreno
Lucas
Hendo----Milner
Coutinho
Sturridge----Benteke

Lovren, Gomez, Can, Firmino, Ings, Ibe

our team is in a much better place now than it was when Rodgers took over.

Much better? I am not so sure. There is more strength in depth today, but the first 11 from your older team is actually stronger in my opinion.

MD1990 · 21-09-2015 12:24PM

The Everton game in 2 weeks will be huge for Rodgers. If we lose that I think he will be gone especially if its in any way similar to the Man Utd game. Win though & it could kickstart our season provided we beat Villa.

Mr.H · 21-09-2015 12:32PM

Francie Barrett wrote: »

Much better? I am not so sure. There is more strength in depth today, but the first 11 from your older team is actually stronger in my opinion.

The only way it looks stronger is because Gerrard and Suarez were in that team

But you are forgetting that, that season;

Gerrard only managed 28 games due to injury with 9 goals
Suarez only scored 11 and was being slated for not being an out and out striker

Our defence was a disaster and conceded loads of sloppy goals due to mistakes by Carra and Reina

On paper I love a lot of that older team but that year they were really poor

Mr.H · 21-09-2015 12:36PM

MD1990 wrote: »

The Everton game in 2 weeks will be huge for Rodgers. If we lose that I think he will be gone especially if its in any way similar to the Man Utd game. Win though & it could kickstart our season provided we beat Villa.

To be honest I dont think Rodgers has many poor games left. If we dont beat Carlisle comfortably he might get a reprieve but then Villa is a huge game.

I like Rodgers but I think he is facing his final couple of weeks at the very most, unless Liverpool turn things around overnight

Potential Underachiever · 21-09-2015 12:39PM

Agent Coulson wrote: »

I don't give a sh1t what other teams spend or do I give a sh1t about what Liverpool do and Liverpool football club under the management of Brendan Rodgers spent/wasted £300m on new players 90% of them are average and we are in a worse place now than when he was hired.

Brendan isn't and has never been good enough to manage Liverpool football club.

Apart from that one time at bandcamp when he nearly won the league, I'm sure you weren't complaining then, more than likely you were hoping he'd sign a new contract before Barca or City came in for him.

Ferris_Bueller · 21-09-2015 12:40PM

I think the squad is healthy enough at the moment, a new manager might want to sign one or two players but I think we have a squad that you would think most managers could work with, a bit light on wingers and a holding midfielder but apart from that it's not too bad. Trying to fit our best XI players into a formation that works is a different story though.. Considering our lack of natural wingers you would think that a diamond or 3-5-2 would suit us best but Rodgers has seemed reluctant to play two up front so far this season, hoping this will change now that Sturridge is back.

Milner hasn't been excellent but he was never going to be a player who grabbed a game by the scruff of the neck, realistically he is good enough to start for us (be it in CM or on the wing), he played in most games for City over the past couple of seasons. The problem with our midfield IMO is that all of the players seem a bit too similar, Henderson and Milner are presumably our two best central midfielders but they more or less are looking to do the same job.

Grayditch · 21-09-2015 12:43PM

Potential Underachiever wrote: »

Apart from that one time at bandcamp when he nearly won the league, I'm sure you weren't complaining then, more than likely you were hoping he'd sign a new contract before Barca or City came in for him.

Funnily enough you can use that quote for the actual guy who was most responsible for us getting second.

Potential Underachiever · 21-09-2015 12:46PM

Grayditch wrote: »

Funnily enough you can use that quote for the actual guy who was most responsible for us getting second.

Ah yeah it was the Suarez show I forgot that history was revised!

Mr.H · 21-09-2015 12:51PM

Of course Suarez was the only reason we got 2nd...................

Under Kenny, Suarez wanted to finish 8th....................

Suarez only scored 11 goals in the league the season before Brendan came here. He had a shot to goal ratio of about 15%. It was ridiculous. But yea no way did Brendan get the most out of the team

Caovyn Lineah · 21-09-2015 01:18PM

Grayditch wrote: »

Funnily enough you can use that quote for the actual guy who was most responsible for us getting second.

Why didn't he bother when Kenny was the manager? He was happy to finish 8th was he? More nonsense.

Demosthenese · 21-09-2015 01:36PM

Regardless of what we've spent, regardless of who is in our first 11, what i find difficult with Brendan is that this exact time last season when we lost Sturridge he spent 10-12 games going through the motions with his players, swapping formations, tinkering with players positions and by the time he finally got them going, we were basically out of everything.

Fast forward to this season, we are still tinkering with formations, we are still unsure of our best 11 (as he is), and the most important thing that really grinds my gears is that he doesn't still seem to be able to get a consistent performance from his players. We were OK yesterday, we at least look ok in attack and the players performed - but goals win games and we missed some sitters that to be fair even Coutinho should have been shot for. (but he'll not be cos we all love him). But against United we were frozen with fear, we were passionless and we were totally flat, until they were out of sight.

That is my worry, we have enough quality that IF we were to get them firing like say Leicester (At times) it would be great to watch. Brendan doesn't seem to be able to motivate this group of players consistently. There's alot of teams in the PL that give us trouble purely cos they have a bit of bite, passion and organisation ... we need to match them. But you never know which Liverpool will turn up.

Then of course there is the Sahko/Moreno scenario ... is he sometimes stubborn or just stupid? Time will tell. I don't think any ONE game will decide his faith, but an accumulation of crappy results and performances until xmas ... he'll seal his own fate with decisions like those.

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