US soldiers told to ignore Afghan allies raping boys

speedboatchase · 21-09-2015 06:44AM #1

Chilling story on the front of the New York Times right now.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share

Essentially, US soldiers were told by their superiors to ignore US-backed Afghan police officers and commanders who, once they took control of local villages, began sexually abusing boys. Soldiers who intervened are beat up the Afghani paedos were relieved of their command or discharged from the military. Some lines below:

'Rampant sexual abuse of children has long been a problem in Afghanistan, particularly among armed commanders who dominate much of the rural landscape and can bully the population. The practice is called bacha bazi, literally “boy play,” and American soldiers and Marines have been instructed not to intervene — in some cases, not even when their Afghan allies have abused boys on military bases, according to interviews and court records.'

'The American policy of nonintervention is intended to maintain good relations with the Afghan police and militia units the United States has trained to fight the Taliban. It also reflects a reluctance to impose cultural values in a country where pederasty is rife, particularly among powerful men, for whom being surrounded by young teenagers can be a mark of social status. Some soldiers believed that the policy made sense, even if they were personally distressed at the sexual predation they witnessed or heard about.'

'First, they were told, one of the militia commanders raped a 14- or 15-year-old girl whom he had spotted working in the fields. Captain Quinn informed the provincial police chief, who soon levied punishment. “He got one day in jail, and then she was forced to marry him,” Mr. Quinn said.'

Skykes · 21-09-2015 06:49AM

Old news, this has been public knowledge for a long time. Look up "the dancing boys of afghanistan" for more information.

In Afghan culture, men are for pleasure, women are for babies. They do not consider it gay to have sex with a man as long as you are the top and not the bottom.

Amazingfun · 21-09-2015 07:43AM

It's not "old news" to many. I saw The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan ages ago......was sorry I had to think of it again now this story has gone mainstram, just uuugh.

suicide_circus · 21-09-2015 07:50AM

Yeah the traditional lets say pre Christian/Islam societies were big fans of the man/boy dynamic especially from Greece eastwards.

mailforkev · 21-09-2015 07:57AM

suicide_circus wrote: »

Yeah the traditional lets say pre Christian/Islam societies were big fans of the man/boy dynamic especially from Greece eastwards.

As they say: "The Greeks invented sex. The Romans thought to try it with women."

Saw that documentary a few years back too, it all seemed fairly out in the open alright.

21-09-2015 08:01AM

What a pleasant thread to start my week off with.

StonyIron · 21-09-2015 08:04AM

Rape is rape and child abuse is absolutely abominable behaviour.

Whether it's homosexual or heterosexual, it's non consensual and abuse of minors.

Please do not do this thing of trying to conflate sexual orientation and being a despicable rapist! The two have nothing to do with each other.

This stuff is about power and very serious abuse. The US military should step in if they're aware of it. It's a serious human rights violation.

One eyed Jack · 21-09-2015 08:14AM

mailforkev wrote: »

As they say: "The Greeks invented sex. The Romans thought to try it with women."

Saw that documentary a few years back too, it all seemed fairly out in the open alright.

This just reminds me of that idiot David Norris' comments a couple of years back -

Norris: Yes they do but in terms of classic paedophilia, as practiced by the Greeks for example where it is an older man introducing a younger man or boy to adult life, I think that there can be something to be said for that and in terms the North African experience, this is kind of endemic.

Source: The Journal

Interestingly enough, it carried the death penalty under Taliban rule -

During the Taliban's rule (1994-2001), bacha bazi carried the death penalty. A documentary film by Najibullah Quraishi about dancing boys was screened by the UK Royal Society of Arts on March 29, 2010 and aired by the U.S. TV series PBS Frontline on 20 April 2010." The practice of dancing boys is illegal under Afghan law, being "against both sharia law and the civil code", but the laws are seldom enforced against powerful offenders and police have been reportedly complicit in related crimes.

Source: Bacha bazi, Wikipedia

zeffabelli · 21-09-2015 10:24AM

So the US is arming a pederast police force that is raping little boys.

Because it's there culture, don't interfere? Huh?

Why are the US still there anyway?

shane9689 · 21-09-2015 10:35AM

Its fine, lets just let them come to Europe, we have Welfare for everyone...you are all welcome here

Hande hoche! · 21-09-2015 10:36AM

zeffabelli wrote: »

So the US is arming a pederast police force that is raping little boys.

Because it's there culture, don't interfere? Huh?

Why are the US still there anyway?

They need to put some pressure on the Taliban during the peace talks.

StonyIron · 21-09-2015 10:44AM

It seems it's the usual case of power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

The same crowd that are doing this are probably also going around shouting about being devout Muslims and going on about everyone else being immoral.

The country needs rule of law and normal civil law enforcement. Without that, you've chaos, corruption and gross violations of human rights going on without any control.

Drumpot · 21-09-2015 10:49AM

Ah the US, steeped in its own self serving hypocrisy...

They are like a wife beater who can be so nice and friendly who turns into a monster when they don't get what they want or their own needs are threatened!

asherbassad · 21-09-2015 11:02AM

StonyIron wrote: »

Rape is rape and child abuse is absolutely abominable behaviour.

Whether it's homosexual or heterosexual, it's non consensual and abuse of minors.

Please do not do this thing of trying to conflate sexual orientation and being a despicable rapist! The two have nothing to do with each other.

This stuff is about power and very serious abuse. The US military should step in if they're aware of it. It's a serious human rights violation.

The US military shouldn't be there in the first place.

the dark phantom · 21-09-2015 11:06AM

zeffabelli wrote: »

So the US is arming a pederast police force that is raping little boys.

Because it's there culture, don't interfere? Huh?

Why are the US still there anyway?

To control the Heroin trade. Uncle Sam is the most ruthless dealer of them all.

StonyIron · 21-09-2015 11:10AM

asherbassad wrote: »

The US military shouldn't be there in the first place.

True, but while they're there they can't really just 'not notice' major human rights abuses.

OneOfThem · 21-09-2015 11:17AM

shane9689 wrote: »

Its fine, lets just let them come to Europe, we have Welfare for everyone...you are all welcome here

Ray Wilson is the second best left back to ever play for Everton.

kneemos · 21-09-2015 11:18AM

Think I saw something about UN peacekeepers being disiplined for interfering when women were being raped.
An Irish soldier I think reackoned it wasn't worth the grief he'd get and if she wasn't raped today it would probably happen tomorrow.

asherbassad · 21-09-2015 11:21AM

StonyIron wrote: »

True, but while they're there they can't really just 'not notice' major human rights abuses.

Of course they can. The US doesn't give a damn about human rights. Otherwise they wouldn't be arming and funding the ISIS head choppers in Syria and Libya would they? They'd have something to say about Saudi Arabia's catalogue of human rights abuses wouldn't they? They're certainly not going to incur the wrath of local Afghan warlords by taking away their harems of young boys.

whisky_galore · 21-09-2015 11:33AM

Like it or not, these countries have operated like this for milennia. Western style 'morals' or Western law and order simply does not exist nor can it be imposed.

Amalgam · 21-09-2015 11:40AM

TG4 had a documentary on this, seems widespread in certain Arabian countries too.. Underage camel jockeys etc. Grim.

The Afghan term is 'Bacha Bazi'..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi

Satan is Real · 21-09-2015 11:50AM

So glad our political masters threw open the borders and now these people can freely come here and bring their wonderful culture with them.

21-09-2015 11:58AM

Satan is Real wrote: »

So glad our political masters threw open the borders and now these people can freely come here and bring their wonderful culture with them.

Irish people getting smart about child abuse in other countries and cultures?

My irony-o-meter has exploded...

Satan is Real · 21-09-2015 12:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Irish people getting smart about child abuse in other countries and cultures?

My irony-o-meter has exploded...

We have enough pedos. We shouldn't be importing more.

granturismo · 21-09-2015 12:02PM

zeffabelli wrote: »

So the US is arming a pederast police force that is raping little boys. ...

The British soldiers knew about it as well. Afghan units has a tea boy - who was raped by the commander. The Brits referred to 'man love thursday' when the tea boy was abused on Thursday nights, why Thursday - because a good muslim cant do that sort of thing on holy Friday.

asherbassad · 21-09-2015 12:24PM

Satan is Real wrote: »

So glad our political masters threw open the borders and now these people can freely come here and bring their wonderful culture with them.

And in response to a rapist in Britain getting a longer sentence because his victims were Asian, you wrote:

Satan is Real wrote: »

Shows how sick British society is.

7 posts in and this is the level of analysis you've displayed.

Cuban Pete · 21-09-2015 12:43PM

Satan is Real wrote: »

So glad our political masters threw open the borders and now these people can freely come here and bring their wonderful culture with them.

Yeah, they're all a bunch of child rapists. Every last one of them. Goddamn our political masters for opening the borders to these countries composed entirely of rapists.

whisky_galore · 21-09-2015 12:47PM

Satan is Real wrote: »

So glad our political masters threw open the borders and now these people can freely come here and bring their wonderful culture with them.

We're gonna need a bigger tar-brush...

Paramite Pie · 21-09-2015 01:10PM

The title mentions boys but the example in the OP mentions a girl forced to marry a rapist.

Rape is simply pandemic there, full stop. Some families sell their boys to these local lords for training to be a 'dancing boy'. Girls aren't allowed to dance. They can only be daughters, wives or concubines. Also sold by their families.

Horrific.

El_Duderino 09 · 21-09-2015 01:24PM

The US are there and it's their job to keep peace and help build a stable country. Step one is to keep the local police and army onside. Preventing paedophilia is not one of the US's objectives.I'll bet they have enough trouble getting the local authorities to cooperate on their stated objectives, let alone going off script and trying to change their practices.

I bet they turn a blind eye to all sorts of illegal behaviour which doesn't effect the mission. They aren't there as a police force. These are exactly the sorts of things you sign up for when you decide to invade another country. It's a case of necessity and the cooperation of the local commanders is necessary to the mission. The number of paedophilia victims is immaterial to the mission.

Dravokivich · 21-09-2015 01:28PM

Come baring freedom, for some, a pain in the ass for others.

US soldiers told to ignore Afghan allies raping boys

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