US soldiers told to ignore Afghan allies raping boys

speedboatchase

Chilling story on the front of the New York Times right now.

http://www.nytimes.com/2015/09/21/world/asia/us-soldiers-told-to-ignore-afghan-allies-abuse-of-boys.html?smprod=nytcore-iphone&smid=nytcore-iphone-share

Essentially, US soldiers were told by their superiors to ignore US-backed Afghan police officers and commanders who, once they took control of local villages, began sexually abusing boys. Soldiers who intervened are beat up the Afghani paedos were relieved of their command or discharged from the military. Some lines below:


'Rampant sexual abuse of children has long been a problem in Afghanistan, particularly among armed commanders who dominate much of the rural landscape and can bully the population. The practice is called bacha bazi, literally “boy play,” and American soldiers and Marines have been instructed not to intervene — in some cases, not even when their Afghan allies have abused boys on military bases, according to interviews and court records.'

'The American policy of nonintervention is intended to maintain good relations with the Afghan police and militia units the United States has trained to fight the Taliban. It also reflects a reluctance to impose cultural values in a country where pederasty is rife, particularly among powerful men, for whom being surrounded by young teenagers can be a mark of social status. Some soldiers believed that the policy made sense, even if they were personally distressed at the sexual predation they witnessed or heard about.'

'First, they were told, one of the militia commanders raped a 14- or 15-year-old girl whom he had spotted working in the fields. Captain Quinn informed the provincial police chief, who soon levied punishment. “He got one day in jail, and then she was forced to marry him,” Mr. Quinn said.'

Skykes

Old news, this has been public knowledge for a long time. Look up "the dancing boys of afghanistan" for more information.

In Afghan culture, men are for pleasure, women are for babies. They do not consider it gay to have sex with a man as long as you are the top and not the bottom.

Amazingfun

It's not "old news" to many. I saw The Dancing Boys of Afghanistan ages ago......was sorry I had to think of it again now this story has gone mainstram, just uuugh.

suicide_circus

Yeah the traditional lets say pre Christian/Islam societies were big fans of the man/boy dynamic especially from Greece eastwards.

mailforkev

suicide_circus wrote: »

Yeah the traditional lets say pre Christian/Islam societies were big fans of the man/boy dynamic especially from Greece eastwards.

As they say: "The Greeks invented sex. The Romans thought to try it with women."

Saw that documentary a few years back too, it all seemed fairly out in the open alright.

Omackeral

What a pleasant thread to start my week off with.

StonyIron

Rape is rape and child abuse is absolutely abominable behaviour.

Whether it's homosexual or heterosexual, it's non consensual and abuse of minors.

Please do not do this thing of trying to conflate sexual orientation and being a despicable rapist! The two have nothing to do with each other.

This stuff is about power and very serious abuse. The US military should step in if they're aware of it. It's a serious human rights violation.

One eyed Jack

mailforkev wrote: »

As they say: "The Greeks invented sex. The Romans thought to try it with women."

Saw that documentary a few years back too, it all seemed fairly out in the open alright.

This just reminds me of that idiot David Norris' comments a couple of years back -

Norris: Yes they do but in terms of classic paedophilia, as practiced by the Greeks for example where it is an older man introducing a younger man or boy to adult life, I think that there can be something to be said for that and in terms the North African experience, this is kind of endemic.

Source: The Journal


Interestingly enough, it carried the death penalty under Taliban rule -

During the Taliban's rule (1994-2001), bacha bazi carried the death penalty. A documentary film by Najibullah Quraishi about dancing boys was screened by the UK Royal Society of Arts on March 29, 2010 and aired by the U.S. TV series PBS Frontline on 20 April 2010." The practice of dancing boys is illegal under Afghan law, being "against both sharia law and the civil code", but the laws are seldom enforced against powerful offenders and police have been reportedly complicit in related crimes.

Source: Bacha bazi, Wikipedia

zeffabelli

So the US is arming a pederast police force that is raping little boys.

Because it's there culture, don't interfere? Huh?

Why are the US still there anyway?

shane9689

Its fine, lets just let them come to Europe, we have Welfare for everyone...you are all welcome here

Hande hoche!

zeffabelli wrote: »

So the US is arming a pederast police force that is raping little boys.

Because it's there culture, don't interfere? Huh?

Why are the US still there anyway?

They need to put some pressure on the Taliban during the peace talks.

StonyIron

It seems it's the usual case of power corrupts and absolute power corrupts absolutely.

The same crowd that are doing this are probably also going around shouting about being devout Muslims and going on about everyone else being immoral.

The country needs rule of law and normal civil law enforcement. Without that, you've chaos, corruption and gross violations of human rights going on without any control.

Drumpot

Ah the US, steeped in its own self serving hypocrisy...

They are like a wife beater who can be so nice and friendly who turns into a monster when they don't get what they want or their own needs are threatened!

asherbassad

StonyIron wrote: »

Rape is rape and child abuse is absolutely abominable behaviour.

Whether it's homosexual or heterosexual, it's non consensual and abuse of minors.

Please do not do this thing of trying to conflate sexual orientation and being a despicable rapist! The two have nothing to do with each other.

This stuff is about power and very serious abuse. The US military should step in if they're aware of it. It's a serious human rights violation.

The US military shouldn't be there in the first place.

the dark phantom

zeffabelli wrote: »

So the US is arming a pederast police force that is raping little boys.

Because it's there culture, don't interfere? Huh?

Why are the US still there anyway?

To control the Heroin trade. Uncle Sam is the most ruthless dealer of them all.

StonyIron

asherbassad wrote: »

The US military shouldn't be there in the first place.

True, but while they're there they can't really just 'not notice' major human rights abuses.

OneOfThem

shane9689 wrote: »

Its fine, lets just let them come to Europe, we have Welfare for everyone...you are all welcome here

Ray Wilson is the second best left back to ever play for Everton.

kneemos

Think I saw something about UN peacekeepers being disiplined for interfering when women were being raped.
An Irish soldier I think reackoned it wasn't worth the grief he'd get and if she wasn't raped today it would probably happen tomorrow.

asherbassad

StonyIron wrote: »

True, but while they're there they can't really just 'not notice' major human rights abuses.

Of course they can. The US doesn't give a damn about human rights. Otherwise they wouldn't be arming and funding the ISIS head choppers in Syria and Libya would they? They'd have something to say about Saudi Arabia's catalogue of human rights abuses wouldn't they? They're certainly not going to incur the wrath of local Afghan warlords by taking away their harems of young boys.

whisky_galore

Like it or not, these countries have operated like this for milennia. Western style 'morals' or Western law and order simply does not exist nor can it be imposed.

Amalgam

TG4 had a documentary on this, seems widespread in certain Arabian countries too.. Underage camel jockeys etc. Grim.

The Afghan term is 'Bacha Bazi'..

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bacha_bazi

Satan is Real

So glad our political masters threw open the borders and now these people can freely come here and bring their wonderful culture with them.

Satan is Real

Satan is Real wrote: »

So glad our political masters threw open the borders and now these people can freely come here and bring their wonderful culture with them.

Irish people getting smart about child abuse in other countries and cultures?

My irony-o-meter has exploded...

Satan is Real

Deleted User wrote: »

Irish people getting smart about child abuse in other countries and cultures?

My irony-o-meter has exploded...

We have enough pedos. We shouldn't be importing more.

granturismo

zeffabelli wrote: »

So the US is arming a pederast police force that is raping little boys. ...

The British soldiers knew about it as well. Afghan units has a tea boy - who was raped by the commander. The Brits referred to 'man love thursday' when the tea boy was abused on Thursday nights, why Thursday - because a good muslim cant do that sort of thing on holy Friday.

asherbassad

Satan is Real wrote: »

So glad our political masters threw open the borders and now these people can freely come here and bring their wonderful culture with them.

And in response to a rapist in Britain getting a longer sentence because his victims were Asian, you wrote:

Satan is Real wrote: »

Shows how sick British society is.

7 posts in and this is the level of analysis you've displayed.

Cuban Pete

Satan is Real wrote: »

So glad our political masters threw open the borders and now these people can freely come here and bring their wonderful culture with them.

Yeah, they're all a bunch of child rapists. Every last one of them. Goddamn our political masters for opening the borders to these countries composed entirely of rapists.

whisky_galore

Satan is Real wrote: »

So glad our political masters threw open the borders and now these people can freely come here and bring their wonderful culture with them.

We're gonna need a bigger tar-brush...

Paramite Pie

The title mentions boys but the example in the OP mentions a girl forced to marry a rapist.

Rape is simply pandemic there, full stop. Some families sell their boys to these local lords for training to be a 'dancing boy'. Girls aren't allowed to dance. They can only be daughters, wives or concubines. Also sold by their families.

Horrific.

El_Duderino 09

The US are there and it's their job to keep peace and help build a stable country. Step one is to keep the local police and army onside. Preventing paedophilia is not one of the US's objectives.I'll bet they have enough trouble getting the local authorities to cooperate on their stated objectives, let alone going off script and trying to change their practices.

I bet they turn a blind eye to all sorts of illegal behaviour which doesn't effect the mission. They aren't there as a police force. These are exactly the sorts of things you sign up for when you decide to invade another country. It's a case of necessity and the cooperation of the local commanders is necessary to the mission. The number of paedophilia victims is immaterial to the mission.

Dravokivich

Come baring freedom, for some, a pain in the ass for others.

kylith

The best the US and British forces might be able to do, and the least they should do, is promise protection for any of these boys who comes to them.

suicide_circus

Saddam Hussein commits a decade of genocide against the Kurds - America ousts him - America bad.

Muslim terrorists murder tens of thousands of their fellow Muslims in suicide bombings - America's fault.

Bronze age Afghan nonses rape little boys - America's fault.

asherbassad

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

The US are there and it's their job to keep peace and help build a stable country. Step one is to keep the local police and army onside. Preventing paedophilia is not one of the US's objectives.I'll bet they have enough trouble getting the local authorities to cooperate on their stated objectives, let alone going off script and trying to change their practices.

I bet they turn a blind eye to all sorts of illegal behaviour which doesn't effect the mission. They aren't there as a police force. These are exactly the sorts of things you sign up for when you decide to invade another country. It's a case of necessity and the cooperation of the local commanders is necessary to the mission. The number of paedophilia victims is immaterial to the mission.

Oh to be so blissfully naive

riffmongous

suicide_circus wrote: »

Saddam Hussein commits a decade of genocide against the Kurds - America ousts him - America bad.

Muslim terrorists murder tens of thousands of their fellow Muslims in suicide bombings - America's fault.

Bronze age Afghan nonses rape little boys - America's fault.

You mean America's ally at the time of the genocide Saddam Hussein? America ousting him had nothing to do with the Kurds.

And you seem to have missed the point of the article, America's at fault for standing by when little boys are being raped. You know things are bad when the Taliban have moral high ground over you

asherbassad

suicide_circus wrote: »

Saddam Hussein commits a decade of genocide against the Kurds - America ousts him - America bad.

Muslim terrorists murder tens of thousands of their fellow Muslims in suicide bombings - America's fault.

Bronze age Afghan nonses rape little boys - America's fault.

You're catching on.

El_Duderino 09

asherbassad wrote:

Oh to be so blissfully naive

That's what they are nominally there for. They never even pretended they are there to help combat local paedophilia.

Gatling

Unfortunately nothing the US can do here ,
Intervene piss off the people you want to fight the Taliban and other forces .
Take the scum bags and shoot them American forces face charges of murder and or ending individual military careers with dishonorable discharges.
The afghans can't deal with it either either politically or judicially.

Satan is Real

asherbassad wrote: »

And in response to a rapist in Britain getting a longer sentence because his victims were Asian, you wrote:



7 posts in and this is the level of analysis you've displayed.

The issue was that a Muslim child was ruled to suffer more from sex abuse than a white child. That is wrong. All victims are equal and the sentence for the abuser should be the same (and much tougher).

British society is sick because the judge was concerned that her prospects for arranged marriage were damaged. Arranged marriages should not be tolerated in a modern western society.

Satan is Real

Paramite Pie wrote: »

The title mentions boys but the example in the OP mentions a girl forced to marry a rapist.

Rape is simply pandemic there, full stop. Some families sell their boys to these local lords for training to be a 'dancing boy'. Girls aren't allowed to dance. They can only be daughters, wives or concubines. Also sold by their families.

Horrific.

Shows the warped view Islam has of human sexuality 'girls for marrying, boys for fun'. Sick.

FTA69

suicide_circus wrote: »

Saddam Hussein commits a decade of genocide against the Kurds - America ousts him - America bad.

What nonsense is this? The Halabja attack on the Kurds took place in 1988 while Saddam Hussein was an American ally, the weapons he used primarily came from European countries and also a hefty dose of American chemicals which were personally approved by Ronald Reagan as he was fighting the Iranians at the time.

The notion that the American invasion was predicated on Hussein's abuse of the Kurds is a lie and a distortion. The biggest danger to the Kurds today are the Turkish government, a staunch US ally and people who are currently bombing the sh*te out of Syrian Kurds who are currently trying to fight ISIS.

FTA69

Satan is Real wrote: »

Shows the warped view Islam has of human sexuality 'girls for marrying, boys for fun'. Sick.

Islam is homophobic, it doesn't promote sex with boys.

riffmongous

Satan is Real wrote: »

Shows the warped view Islam has of human sexuality 'girls for marrying, boys for fun'. Sick.

It's not islamic, it was banned by the Taliban

stevedublin

zeffabelli wrote: »

Why are the US still there anyway?

I'm fairly sure they want to control the heroin trade.

Paramite Pie

suicide_circus wrote: »

Saddam Hussein commits a decade of genocide against the Kurds - America ousts him - America bad.

The West kept their heads down during the Kurdish genocide (1987-88). The genocide was long over before the war in the 2000s. The world didn't give a **** about the Kurds.

The US sold Saddam the biological weapons in the 80s. They vetoed UN resolutions (with Britain) to stop the use of bio & chemical weapons.

So the US still clearly is a villain here, backing another villain to weaken Iran (also a villain), whatever the cost.

suicide_circus wrote: »

Muslim terrorists murder tens of thousands of their fellow Muslims in suicide bombings - America's fault.

Bronze age Afghan nonses rape little boys - America's fault.

The US often support terror groups until the get too big, so they are partially responsible. The Taliban were US allies. ISIS were financially supported by the US originally.

The US is not responsible for the last one.

end of the road

FTA69 wrote: »

a hefty dose of American chemicals which were personally approved by Ronald Reagan

exactly. i wouldn't be surprised if he approved the use of them against the Kurds as well, considering he was a nut

end of the road

El_Duderino 09 wrote: »

That's what they are nominally there for. They never even pretended they are there to help combat local paedophilia.

no they are only there to take over the drug trade so they can ultimately be the main dealer to ensure subdued population and fill the private prisons

Azalea

The book The Kite Runner is largely about the warped dancing boys "custom". Awfully upsetting.

asherbassad

Satan is Real wrote: »

The issue was that a Muslim child was ruled to suffer more from sex abuse than a white child. That is wrong. All victims are equal and the sentence for the abuser should be the same (and much tougher).

British society is sick because the judge was concerned that her prospects for arranged marriage were damaged. Arranged marriages should not be tolerated in a modern western society.

So British society as a whole is "sick" according to you because of the reasons you mentioned, right?

Also everyone fleeing war in the Middle East is a child molester right?

asherbassad

Satan is Real wrote: »

Shows the warped view Islam has of human sexuality 'girls for marrying, boys for fun'. Sick.

It has fucking nothing to do with Islam but trust you to equate the two.

asherbassad

FTA69 wrote: »

Islam is homophobic, it doesn't promote sex with boys.

As is Christianity.....or at least some parts of the Bible. Old testament I think.