Michael Collins always on the television

BattleCorp · 14-09-2015 05:10PM

Michael Collins - isn't he the pikey actor from Glenroe and anything else that they need a pikey for? Didn't know he was such a big player in 1916.

Agent Smith · 14-09-2015 05:18PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Just isn't enough facepalms for this post.

Tbh

philstar · 14-09-2015 07:11PM

biko wrote: »

Without Michael Collins we'd all be speaking British still.

and shopping in Tesco and watching BBC and reading Brit papers....oh hold on

The_Valeyard · 14-09-2015 07:24PM

tomwaterford wrote: »

I hear there making a new version :eek:

Better have Liam Neeson.

Although Brendan Gleesons 'The Treaty' is well worth a watch.

DarkyHughes · 14-09-2015 07:28PM

Nodin wrote: »

Bit harsh there. It's a good movie.

Yeah but it's clearly a propaganda piece for the pro-treaty view. It portrays the IRA in the Civil War as mindless hooligans who deserved everything that happened to them. And I was never a big fan of Dev but the movie portrays him very unfairly as a sniveling per-Madonna who had no leadership skills at all . It's clear Neil Jordan is a FG man that's for sure.

I thought it was a good movie the first few times I seen it but the more I see it I think it's average at best. Like one example the 1916 Rising is confined to the GPO in the movie giving it the feeling of the Rising being much smaller than it actually was & I don't remember Dev or Countess Markievicz being in the GPO for the surrender but sure what ya gonna do?

Nodin · 14-09-2015 08:00PM

DarkyHughes wrote: »

Yeah but it's clearly a propaganda piece for the pro-treaty view. It portrays the IRA in the Civil War as mindless hooligans who deserved everything that happened to them. And I was never a big fan of Dev but the movie portrays him very unfairly as a sniveling per-Madonna who had no leadership skills at all . It's clear Neil Jordan is a FG man that's for sure.

I thought it was a good movie the first few times I seen it but the more I see it I think it's average at best. Like one example the 1916 Rising is confined to the GPO in the movie giving it the feeling of the Rising being much smaller than it actually was & I don't remember Dev or Countess Markievicz being in the GPO for the surrender but sure what ya gonna do?

But it's fairly unapologetic about putting the Brits out and the way it was done.

Arytonblue · 14-09-2015 08:15PM

I just can't wait until Alan Rickman begrudgingly stumbles onto the Late Late and good ol' fogey Turbo Tubs completely bypasses the man's entire career in order to get to the real juicy burning question every household in Ireland wants to hear answered......

.........what was it like playing Dev?????

fryup · 14-09-2015 11:02PM

half of it is a work of fiction....

there were no car bombs, the british army didn't use a an armoured car at croke park and ned broy wasn't killed he lived to a ripe old age

FloatingVoter · 15-09-2015 12:24AM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Found it quite odd the brits arrested him in 1916 released him few years later but never had a clear picture of him.

He was the most wanted man at one time yet he openly walked around Dublin.

You would think when releasing him they would photograph him etc.

Also found it odd the Brits negotiated in England with him so easy knowing he was responsible for the murder of many of their men in Ireland especially the Cairo gang who were very high up with the authorities and government.

They probably did have a mugshot of some GPO footsoldier somewhere in the archives. They had no photo of the mastermind behind the guerrilla war against them. And while they were searching under hedgerows, a pint beside a nice warm fire is your only man for the eavesdropping.
Did he play both sides ? Stalin did with the Cheka. I'm sure Collins used squealers and squealing to his advantage as well.
There was a private plane ready for immediate take off if things went awry at the Downing Street negotiations. Those negotiations took place within full glare of the world media so sticking a bag on his head and shooting him would not have played well. Even today, I'm not 100% sure if the Brits then were 100% sure that the M.Collins at the negotiating table was the "terrorist mastermind" of fame and legend.

JustTheOne · 15-09-2015 06:55AM

DarkyHughes wrote: »

Did you think they would negotiate on top of the North pole?

That's not what I meant.

But you are aware many treaties throughout history have been negotiated in neutral countries?

DarkyHughes · 15-09-2015 10:52AM

JustTheOne wrote: »

That's not what I meant.

But you are aware many treaties throughout history have been negotiated in neutral countries?

Yeah well the Brits didn't see as a negotiating between between two different countries. They seen it as a domestic issue in their own country.

DarkyHughes · 15-09-2015 10:57AM

Nodin wrote: »

But it's fairly unapologetic about putting the Brits out and the way it was done.

Suppose, Ken Loachs film does that a lot better.

I also think Neil Jordan took the idea of the Dail having to go "underground" a little to literal. Are they meeting in a sewer?

Nodin · 15-09-2015 11:10AM

DarkyHughes wrote: »

Suppose, Ken Loachs film does that a lot better.

I also think Neil Jordan took the idea of the Dail having to go "underground" a little to literal. Are they meeting in a sewer?

It may have been a metaphorical dig at their modern day successors.

Robsweezie · 15-09-2015 11:15AM

its all a conspiracy joe !

DanielODonnell · 15-09-2015 03:29PM

Cee-Jay-Cee wrote: »

So it's been on twice.

plus it was on BBC one recently too

DanielODonnell · 15-09-2015 03:29PM

DarkyHughes · 15-09-2015 10:55PM

Nodin wrote: »

It may have been a metaphorical dig at their modern day successors.

Prehaps but I doubt it.

I hate Jordan's hero worship of Collins. There's a scene of Collins organizing a flying colunm when he never took part in battle or commanded a flying column. And the best Generals in the field like Tom Barry, Sean Hogan, Sean Mac Eoin, Sean O Hegarty, Sean Moylan etc.. are lucky if their barely given a mention. And maybe the most important men in terms of winning sympathy for the Irish case Terrence McSweeny & Kevin Barry aren't mentioned at all even tho Collins had drawn up plans to try & rescue Barry.

byhookorbycrook · 15-09-2015 11:00PM

Our local GAA club were involved in the "Croke Park scene. There was a "premier" in Carlow where they all dressed up in tuxes etc. Great craic.

Nodin · 15-09-2015 11:02PM

DarkyHughes wrote: »

Prehaps but I doubt it.

I hate Jordan's hero worship of Collins. There's a scene of Collins organizing a flying colunm when he never took part in battle or commanded a flying column. And the best Generals in the field like Tom Barry, Sean Hogan, Sean Mac Eoin, Sean O Hegarty, Sean Moylan etc.. are lucky if their barely given a mention. And maybe the most important men in terms of winning sympathy for the Irish case Terrence McSweeny & Kevin Barry aren't mentioned at all even tho Collins had drawn up plans to try & rescue Barry.

It's a Hollywood movie. It's a miracle they didn't credit the whole thing to an unknown square jawed American volunteer and flim it in Bruge.

padd b1975 · 16-09-2015 04:35AM

byhookorbycrook wrote: »

Our local GAA club were involved in the "Croke Park scene. There was a "premier" in Carlow where they all dressed up in tuxes etc. Great craic.

I think that was filmed at the Carlisle Grounds in Bray, was it not?

Menas · 16-09-2015 07:24AM

padd b1975 wrote: »

I think that was filmed at the Carlisle Grounds in Bray, was it not?

Thats correct.

tuisginideach · 16-09-2015 07:34AM

padd b1975 wrote: »

I think that was filmed at the Carlisle Grounds in Bray, was it not?

Yes I was there - one of the crowd.

I did tell Neil Jordan & Co that Tiobraid Árann was spelt incorrectly on the scoreboard

but they said it wouldn't be seen anyway!

Michael Collins always on the television

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