Michael Collins always on the television

DanielODonnell

I wonder why Michael Collins is always on RTE? it is only a few months ago since it was last on the television after the late late show, it is still fresh in peoples memories.

tomwaterford

I hear there making a new version :eek:

Ruu

How is Strictly???

Gwynplaine

Never seen it. Never will either.

freshpopcorn

We're going to be in for lot of Michael Collins/1916 programmes for about the next 10 months.

Harry Palmr

DanielODonnell wrote: »

I wonder why Michael Collins is always on RTE? it is only a few months ago since it was last on the television after the late late show, it is still fresh in peoples memories.

Heretic! Non-believer! Fianna Fail-er!

timthumbni

DanielODonnell wrote: »

I wonder why Michael Collins is always on RTE? it is only a few months ago since it was last on the television after the late late show, it is still fresh in peoples memories.

You think that's bad. The fec@ing Bourne Identity is shown about twice a week on ITV2 this last 3 or 4 years. Now that is taking the pis@.

Sheep Lover

Rightly so, it should be shown just after the one o clock news everyday even. Should be an intermission in the middle for a tea break and ringing of the Angelus also

NachoBusiness

What did the fly on Kojack's head say to the other fly which was flying past?

Hey look, I'm on telly!

kneemos

Haven't seen a decent film on RTE in years.TnaG used to have good movies but even they've given up.

voz es

Michael Collins what a brilliant man he was!

Duckworth_Luas

All filmed by Stanley Kubrick in Nevada

dxhound2005

voz es wrote: »

Michael Collins what a brilliant man he was!

It's a shame he never go to walk on the Moon.

KungPao

timthumbni wrote: »

You think that's bad. The fec@ing Bourne Identity is shown about twice a week on ITV2 this last 3 or 4 years. Now that is taking the pis@.

The ITVs are great for a bit of Cliffhanger and Daylight on heavy rotation. They love a bit of Stallone.

I like Mick Collins but the love triangle with the awful Julia Roberts ruins it.

Hitchens

Dev the treacherous hoor :mad:

DanielODonnell

It was shot in 1995, the same year Julia Roberts made Chandler Bing wear her panties on Friends.

Mackas_view

De Valera was the worst thing to happen ireland since the famine

timthumbni

KungPao wrote: »

The ITVs are great for a bit of Cliffhanger and Daylight on heavy rotation. They love a bit of Stallone.

I like Mick Collins but the love triangle with the awful Julia Roberts ruins it.

I haven't watched mickey collins to be honest but can only guess the unimaginable horror involved in Julia Roberts attempting an Irish accent. Plastic face Mickey Rourke has a lot to answer for imo.

Hitchens

the Irish actors accents were worse attempts than Julia's

gormdubhgorm

Only bit about that film that annoys me is that people believe tanks went into croke park because of the film. I know the bomb bit was thrown in for the criaic. But the uninitiated take it as history. Rickman is great as dev in though he is great at the deadpan lines. If RTE want to go the 1916 route they should keep playing "the wind that shakes the barley" better film.

timthumbni

Hitchens wrote: »

the Irish actors accents were worse attempts than Julia's

What was Alan rickman like as de valera? I quite like Rickman actually. I was going to say what's his Irish accent like but with de Valera maybe that wasn't an issue.

Gatling

timthumbni wrote: »

What was Alan rickman like as de valera? I quite like Rickman actually. I was going to say what's his Irish accent like but with de Valera maybe that wasn't an issue.

He was actually ok for most parts .

The odd part nesson is a image of enda Kenny in some scenes

FloatingVoter

timthumbni wrote: »

What was Alan rickman like as de valera? I quite like Rickman actually. I was going to say what's his Irish accent like but with de Valera maybe that wasn't an issue.

Scarily good. A lot of people who never heard the real Dev think Rickman is taking the piss doing a Sheriff of Nottingham routine villain. Dev did actually speak like that. Very.....slow......and con----si--dered.

Faith+1

Does anyone remember going to the Grangegorman to see the GPO set? Fecking brilliant so it was!

efb

MC->FG->DO'B

That's why RTE show it, now where's my tinfoil hat' no contract no conscent!

RobertKK

I have never seen it, nor do I want to see it.

DanielODonnell

Maybe Robert would get too upset seeing a pro treatyman like Collins getting shot

DanielODonnell

regarding the set

http://www.rte.ie/archives/2015/0807/719815-michael-collins-film/

Nodin

DanielODonnell wrote: »

I wonder why Michael Collins is always on RTE? .

He's popular and better than that O'Se eejit. He'll be doing the Rose next year.

Nodin

RobertKK wrote: »

I have never seen it, nor do I want to see it.

Why, might I ask?

theteal

That the lotto guy?

Qualitymark

Hate the diddly-i music used in all kinds of action and 'humour' scenes in Michael Collins. It's as if every vigorous scene in a film about Henry VIII or Elizabeth I were illustrated with morris dance music.

Tony EH

'Michael Collins' is a pretty bad picture, with some dubious "history" and piss poor acting, but I thought the sets were very good in general. In fact I remember cycling through Dublin one Sunday afternoon and onto the set. There were rubber cobblestones laid on the roads and they were as convincing as anything. The only way you would have know they were rubber is if you touched them.

Hard to believe that was 20 years ago.

biko

Without Michael Collins we'd all be speaking British still.

kneemos

biko wrote: »

Without Michael Collins we'd all be speaking British still.

Al'right mate.

Cee-Jay-Cee

DanielODonnell wrote: »

I wonder why Michael Collins is always on RTE? it is only a few months ago since it was last on the television after the late late show, it is still fresh in peoples memories.

So it's been on twice.

RobertKK

Nodin wrote: »

Why, might I ask?

I think he is over rated. It was his actions signing a treaty that led to a civil war, the division of the island into two separate states which led to thousands of lives being lost.

Plus I expect he got shot in the film and died and it is all romanticised.

Boring username

biko wrote: »

Without Michael Collins we'd all be speaking British still.

What's on the papers, Paddy?

valoren

For me Michael Collins is a film made for an American audience. To watch it in that context, then yes, it's a rip roaring yarn through a turbulent time in Irish history and a quality film.

The score is wonderful and the cinematography is fantastic, take a bow Chris Menges.

It was for me a missed opportunity. It could have had the pathos of a Godfather movie (a slow burning character driven period piece), where the talented guerilla fighter turns politcian and is assassinated by his former brothers in arms, died before his time etc. The film lacks that kind of pathos.

Liam Neeson and Julia Roberts are miscast in this and Neeson's overacting is particularly grating. Brendan Gleeson nailed playing Collins in RTE's 'The Treaty', he portrayed him as a charming and charismatic bully, which he probably would have been but that doesn't play well for the "Tragic Hero" trope the movie portrays him as. An unknown would have been better but again Neeson was the household name that would bring in the big bucks. Some of the attempted humour wouldn't feel out of place in Mrs Brown's Boys, "All I'm missing is the high heels!" but again that is to appeal to a broader audience.

If anyone is looking at this film from an academic perspective (or any historical film), then they will be inevitably disappointed but it certainly has it's merits.

It's like our country's Forrest Gump. When you're flicking through the channels and you land on it, then you always end up watching it.

Gatling

RobertKK wrote: »

I think he is over rated. It was his actions signing a treaty that led to a civil war, the division of the island into two separate states which led to thousands of lives being lost.
.

What Dev has no blame

Nodin

RobertKK wrote: »

I think he is over rated. It was his actions signing a treaty that led to a civil war, the division of the island into two separate states which led to thousands of lives being lost.

Plus I expect he got shot in the film and died and it is all romanticised.

You don't get me slagging off Biblical films because Jesus gets caught and killed by the romans......

RobertKK

Nodin wrote: »

You don't get me slagging off Biblical films because Jesus gets caught and killed by the romans......

The Romans eventually worshipped Jesus.

Will we become British Irish in a few hundred years?

RobertKK

Gatling wrote: »

What Dev has no blame

Yes for giving Michael Collins too much freedom and allowing him sign away 6 counties, divide a country and eventually thousands of deaths.
Michael Collins did a worse job than signing up to a troika bailout.
Dev shouldn't have allowed such an amateur have so much power.

Nodin

RobertKK wrote: »

The Romans eventually worshipped Jesus.

Will we become British Irish in a few hundred years?

Maybe its because its early, but you've lost me.

osarusan

Faith+1 wrote: »

Does anyone remember going to the Grangegorman to see the GPO set? Fecking brilliant so it was!

I might have been in the film.

I was an extra for a day - one of a few thousand running down a street cheering in some scene. It was just background to whatever was going on in the foreground. We could see Julia Roberts a good way off in the distance.

They had asked people to dress properly, and had loads and loads of old caps and scarves to help people look the part. Still,they kept having to re-shoot it again an again as there was some idiot with sunglasses on, or somebody with a football shirt, or stuff like that. They kept calling out the problems with a loudspeaker, hopefully to shame whatever clown was doing it into copping on.

Anyway we ran up and down a load of times, and eventually I got sick of it and left. They were still filming the same scene when I left.

I watched the movie and tried to identify myself in it, but it was all too far in the background and unclear.

Dyr

I liked when he gets shot in the end, that's for nicking cathal brughas burd ya shneaky cork bollix!

McAlban

RobertKK wrote: »

Yes for giving Michael Collins too much freedom and allowing him sign away 6 counties, divide a country and eventually thousands of deaths.
Michael Collins did a worse job than signing up to a troika bailout.
Dev shouldn't have allowed such an amateur have so much power.

Read some history will you? or are you being deliberately revisionist.

The Govt. of Ireland Act 1920 is what effectively gave the Unionists in the North the right to secede from the Irish Free State. This was signed into Law 2 years before the Treaty was signed.

Collins did not start the civil war. The General Election of 1922 was won by Pro Treaty SF, Anti Treaty IRA units seized barracks and installations all over the country and wanted to resume the war against the british, reluctantly Collins had to use force to supress them before the british did.

RobertKK

McAlban wrote: »

Read some history will you? or are you being deliberately revisionist.

The Govt. of Ireland Act 1920 is what effectively gave the Unionists in the North the right to secede from the Irish Free State. This was signed into Law 2 years before the Treaty was signed.

Collins did not start the civil war. The General Election of 1922 was won by Pro Treaty SF, Anti Treaty IRA units seized barracks and installations all over the country and wanted to resume the war against the british, reluctantly Collins had to use force to supress them before the british did.

The government of Ireland act 1920 was a bill of the British parliament.
It just went to show how poor a negotiator Collins was, the consequences didn't change.

Riskymove

Bambi wrote: »

that's for nicking cathal brughas burd ya shneaky cork bollix!

Cathal Brugha's bird???

0ph0rce0

Brits Out!!!

Temptamperu

I cant believe people still watch rte.