Crane crashes in Mecca's Grand Mosque

Guy:Incognito · 11-09-2015 08:30PM

Nathaniel Unimportant Signpost wrote: »

And so, this is not a tragic loss of life due to an accident? They had a faith, any faith, so tough? Is that it?

Yes, thats clearly what I said. It's right there in the words sure.

That or my posts were about questioning the reasons for people faith and their unwavering support of it. If you believe your god cares about you personally enough to pray directly to him and ask him for help with things and he then allows people of similar levels of faith to not only die but die during the very act of showing him how much you care for him (this applies to any religion, ie the people killed in the church in america) , do you not think thats a reasonable sign of how futile the whole religion thing is and that you're better off spening your time looking after yourself that hoping a spirit in the sky will do it?

Stheno · 11-09-2015 08:34PM

87 dead now awful tragedy

KERSPLAT! · 11-09-2015 08:55PM

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We've already had 2 warnings so if people can't take them on board, keep it civil and on topic we'll just go straight to bans

Mena · 11-09-2015 08:59PM

Tragic :-(

What are those monster cranes for in this instance?

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 11-09-2015 09:05PM

Guy:Incognito wrote: »

Yes, thats clearly what I said. It's right there in the words sure.

That or my posts were about questioning the reasons for people faith and their unwavering support of it. If you believe your god cares about you personally enough to pray directly to him and ask him for help with things and he then allows people of similar levels of faith to not only die but die during the very act of showing him how much you care for him (this applies to any religion, ie the people killed in the church in america) , do you not think thats a reasonable sign of how futile the whole religion thing is and that you're better off spening your time looking after yourself that hoping a spirit in the sky will do it?

But, this is nothing to do with religion. Is the death of 87 people not tragic regardless of whether they were religious or not?

moc moc a moc · 11-09-2015 09:07PM

Nathaniel Unimportant Signpost wrote: »

Cheap shot and no comparison. That's like branding all Catholics for IRA murders. This was a tragic accident.

IRA murders were not perpetrated in the name of Catholicism.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 11-09-2015 09:08PM

moc moc a moc wrote: »

IRA murders were not perpetrated in the name of Catholicism.

Fair enough. Point taken but you still can't equate every Muslim with ISIS either.

Overheal · 11-09-2015 09:10PM

Mena: according to the article it was upgrades to the mosque to accommodate more tourism

moc moc a moc · 11-09-2015 09:14PM

Nathaniel Unimportant Signpost wrote: »

you still can't equate every Muslim with ISIS either.

Good thing I didn't do that then, isn't it?

Quoted post: "Human life has been lost in a tragedy, what difference does their religious affiliation make?"

My response: "Would you be crying at the thought of ISIS lives being lost?"

ISIS lives lost = human (muslim) lives lost. Who gives a bollix? Nobody.

Yes, it's a bit off-topic, but that's pretty much the whole point of After Hours. You want serious discussion of current events? We have Politics and Humanities forums for that.

RDM_83 again · 11-09-2015 09:16PM

Overheal wrote: »

Mena: according to the article it was upgrades to the mosque to accommodate more tourism

Is tourism really the right word, like AFAIK if your devout and have the means your meant to take the Hajj at least once in your life (something that historically helped bind the muslim world together back when us Europeans were squabbling with the next Baron over).
Anyway RIP

RobertKK · 11-09-2015 09:19PM

Overheal wrote: »

Mena: according to the article it was upgrades to the mosque to accommodate more tourism

Who can only be Muslim, given non Muslims are banned from entering Mecca.

If it wasn't so serious and not in Saudi Arabia, one would have the image of Miley Cyrus on her wrecking ball, given the damage done to the mosque.

The_Valeyard · 11-09-2015 09:20PM

Horrible random event.

RIP to all the victims.

Overheal · 11-09-2015 09:20PM

moc moc a moc wrote: »

Good thing I didn't do that then, isn't it?

Quoted post: "Human life has been lost in a tragedy, what difference does their religious affiliation make?"

My response: "Would you be crying at the thought of ISIS lives being lost?"

ISIS lives lost = human (muslim) lives lost. Who gives a bollix? Nobody.

Yes, it's a bit off-topic, but that's pretty much the whole point of After Hours. You want serious discussion of current events? We have Politics and Humanities forums for that.

Bit off topic - it's actually just a strawman argument.

Overheal · 11-09-2015 09:21PM

RDM_83 again wrote: »

Is tourism really the right word, like AFAIK if your devout and have the means your meant to take the Hajj at least once in your life (something that historically helped bind the muslim world together back when us Europeans were squabbling with the next Baron over).

Anyway RIP

RobertKK wrote: »

Who can only be Muslim, given non Muslims are banned from entering Mecca.

If it wasn't so serious and not in Saudi Arabia, one would have the image of Miley Cyrus on her wrecking ball, given the damage done to the mosque.

Should have said traffic.

Royal Irish · 11-09-2015 09:21PM

Fact is 9/11 was perpetrated by Islamic extremists and on the anniversary of 9/11 a crane falls not only in the home country of 15 of the 19 hijackers, but in the home of the most extreme form of Islam, Wahhabism and at Islams most holy site. So much irony.

Overheal · 11-09-2015 09:23PM

Royal Irish wrote: »

Fact is 9/11 was perpetrated by Islamic extremists and on the anniversary of 9/11 a crane falls not only in the home country of 15 of the 19 hijackers, but in the home of the most extreme form of Islam, Wahhabism and at Islams most holy site. So much irony.

<--- Conspiracy Theory forum link here.

inocybe · 11-09-2015 09:23PM

Articles don't state, but I'm guessing a lot were 'guest' workers.

Sheep Lover · 11-09-2015 09:24PM

Overheal wrote: »

<--- Conspiracy Theory forum link here.

Wheres the conspiracy? He said irony?

Royal Irish · 11-09-2015 09:24PM

Overheal wrote: »

<--- Conspiracy Theory forum link here.

Where is the conspiracy theory in my post?

Overheal · 11-09-2015 09:24PM

inocybe wrote: »

Articles don't state, but I'm guessing a lot were 'guest' workers.

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Muslims can't be contractors?

keeponhurling · 11-09-2015 09:26PM

Let's take religion out of it altogether, and change the thread title to "Crane crashes on Large Building in Mecca".

RIP to all affected by the tragedy

inocybe · 11-09-2015 09:26PM

Overheal wrote: »

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Muslims can't be contractors?

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I missed the religious debate, I don't care if they were Rastafarians.

Sheep Lover · 11-09-2015 09:29PM

inocybe wrote: »

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I missed the religious debate, I don't care if they were Rastafarians.

They couldn't be as only Muslims are permitted within Mecca.

Overheal · 11-09-2015 09:32PM

That's why I interpreted the comment thusly.

shamrock55 · 11-09-2015 09:38PM

Well the place is even more holier now if thats possible

Mod: Banned

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 11-09-2015 09:42PM

shamrock55 wrote: »

Well the place is even more holier now if thats possible

Hilarious. AH at a low point following the deaths of 87 people. Respect has no place here, obviously.

Stheno · 11-09-2015 09:45PM

Sheep Lover wrote: »

They couldn't be as only Muslims are permitted within Mecca.

How do they check you are Muslin before allowing you in?

Overheal · 11-09-2015 09:46PM

Stheno wrote: »

How do they check you are Muslin before allowing you in?

I imagine they do a basic screening for crucifixes and pasta strainers.

Royal Irish · 11-09-2015 09:53PM

Overheal wrote: »

<--- Conspiracy Theory forum link here.

I'd still like to know where the conspiracy theory is in my post?

11-09-2015 09:55PM

Overheal wrote: »

Mena: according to the article it was upgrades to the mosque to accommodate more tourism

With the rapidly expanding Muslim population, they'll be building extra accommodation every year for the foreseeable future, the BBC news page says that there was a storm at the time.

Crane crashes in Mecca's Grand Mosque

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