Hawkers coming to the door

bucketybuck · 11-09-2015 12:00PM

ken wrote: »

Its simple.
Hawker-I'm here about changing you to airtricity,electric Ireland,UPC,Sky,Eircom,Vodaphone etc etc.
Ken- You're too late only signed up last week with your competitor and am locked in for 12 months. Try again next year.

Why are you complicating things? Open door, see chugger, close door again. Why is there need to be polite and respond in any fashion to one of these scumbags?

Same with the chuggers on the street, let them natter away with their spiel as you walk past, there is nothing in law that says you have to respond to it in any way. Personally I like to look them in the eye as I walk past just so they can see my contempt, but I certainly don't feel the need to say a ****ing word to them in response.

RWCNT · 11-09-2015 12:36PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Why are you complicating things? Open door, see chugger, close door again. Why is there need to be polite and respond in any fashion to one of these scumbags?

Same with the chuggers on the street, let them natter away with their spiel as you walk past, there is nothing in law that says you have to respond to it in any way. Personally I like to look them in the eye as I walk past just so they can see my contempt, but I certainly don't feel the need to say a ****ing word to them in response.

"Scumbags"? Tad harsh, did your spouse invite a chugger in and ride them while you were out one day or something?

bucketybuck · 11-09-2015 12:41PM

RWCNT wrote: »

"Scumbags"? Tad harsh, did your spouse invite a chugger in and ride them while you were out one day or something?

Scumbag is not a harsh term for them at all.

RWCNT · 11-09-2015 12:47PM

bucketybuck wrote: »

Scumbag is not a harsh term for them at all.

Ah, it is though. They're doing a job.

Mesrine65 · 11-09-2015 12:50PM

Ally Dick wrote: »

I've a pain in my nads dealing with these people. A sunny mild autumn evening seems to bring them out.

newacc2015 wrote: »

It still not as bad as Chuggers on Westmoreland Street/College Green.

A simple but assertive FÚCK OFF works for me :mad:

rubadub · 11-09-2015 12:58PM

Just get rid of your doorbell, most people probably do not need one in this day & age. I have had none for over 10 years and do not miss it one bit.

When I am minding other people houses I still get the annoyance and am so used to not having one it seems just seems odd why you would want one, and can see no reason I would ever want one back. Some have given possible reasons but I had an argument against every single one I heard. I could understand that some might have their own reasons to have one.

RayM · 11-09-2015 01:01PM

If they look like they're from Airtricity, Vodafone or whatever, I just don't bother answering the door. I don't care if it seems rude - it's not as rude as calling unannounced at someone's house to try and rope them into an 18-month contract.

rubadub · 11-09-2015 01:02PM

RWCNT wrote: »

Ah, it is though. They're doing a job.

So are burglars, many would like to see chugging and door to door sales made illegal. I could pay you to go around town making loud screeching noises and farting, knowingly annoying the fuck out of people and all perfectly legal and "just doing a job". Only a complete cunt would take up such a job, knowing fine well how socially unacceptable it is, and yes I would rather them be on the dole than taken advantage of.

Bio Mech · 11-09-2015 01:04PM

rubadub wrote: »

I could pay you to go around town making loud screeching noises and farting, knowingly annoying the fuck out of people and all perfectly legal and "just doing a job"

CV sent

bucketybuck · 11-09-2015 01:08PM

RWCNT wrote: »

Ah, it is though. They're doing a job.

Butthurt chugger detected.

RWCNT · 11-09-2015 02:00PM

rubadub wrote: »

So are burglars, many would like to see chugging and door to door sales made illegal. I could pay you to go around town making loud screeching noises and farting, knowingly annoying the fuck out of people and all perfectly legal and "just doing a job". Only a complete cunt would take up such a job, knowing fine well how socially unacceptable it is, and yes I would rather them be on the dole than taken advantage of.

Only a complete cùnt or someone who simply needs the money and has no other way of getting it. I wouldn't lecture you for being rude to them, its part of the gig. However, comparing them to burglars? Id say you, and many of the people posting, need to get a grip.

Not a chugger, buckety, although I do work for a large charity.

RayM · 11-09-2015 02:05PM

I'd never lower myself to being rude to them - which is why I don't answer the door. Quite often, the only way to get rid of them is by being rude, whether that involves telling them to fuck off or slamming the door in their face. I don't really think they deserve either.

Boom_Bap · 11-09-2015 02:08PM

I had a guy knock on my door one day from Concern I think. I immediately told him that I already donated to X, Y & Z charities. He was cool about it and ended up having a natter to him for a while.
It turns out he was genuinely passionate about what he was doing and was never trying to force anyone to donate, just to spread awareness and tell people if they wanted to donate, how to go about it and where the funds go.

Compared to the guys who are into thier sales speech as the door starts to open....sometimes I don't get to see their faces as I'm saying No and closing the door.

ThinkProgress · 11-09-2015 02:11PM

RWCNT wrote: »

Only a complete cùnt or someone who simply needs the money and has no other way of getting it. I wouldn't lecture you for being rude to them, its part of the gig. However, comparing them to burglars? Id say you, and many of the people posting, need to get a grip.

Not a chugger, buckety, although I do work for a large charity.

A large, prosperous and wealthy multi-national charitable organisation?

rubadub · 11-09-2015 02:13PM

RWCNT wrote: »

Only a complete cùnt or someone who simply needs the money and has no other way of getting it. I wouldn't lecture you for being rude to them, its part of the gig. However, comparing them to burglars?.

The burglary comment was taking the piss, but many think this job should similarly be illegal. My other theoretical job was legal, and though I was also taking the piss I am now wondering if someone took it up would you similarly have no issue, since it could be "someone who simply needs the money and has no other way of getting it"

-so would you have an issue if someone took that theoretical job?

People say there is no need to be rude, the last thing I would want to do is encourage them. If an uninvited dog comes into my garden and shits I am not going to calmly go out and whisper "please leave" in a pleasant tone. If you have an issue let these cunts know. The last thing you want is them telling others that its a grand job and encouraging others to take it up.

11-09-2015 02:13PM

ken wrote: »

I did have trouble with one guy from Airtricity who knocked the door and had a form with the address and the MPRN number already filled out. He'd opened the box on the side of the house and got it off it. I asked him for a look at it to check the details and took the form and tore it up in front of him and told him not to come near the place again.

This doesn't make any sense, the outside box does not contain your MPRN number - he would already have it surely from ESB database....

That information is most likely shared with Airtricity anyway - similar to if you switch from Eircom to a different provider - they need your UAN.... (I think they call it)

CruelCoin · 11-09-2015 02:20PM

ken wrote: »

I did have trouble with one guy from Airtricity who knocked the door and had a form with the address and the MPRN number already filled out. He'd opened the box on the side of the house and got it off it.

Sorry he what? :eek:

In my mind, interfering with my stuff is as bad as spitting at me.

What are those? · 11-09-2015 02:52PM

dont know if this counts ..but kids packing your groceries at the till and expecting you to dish out money,i can pack my bags myself thank you very much!well thats what i think anyway i usually let them do it and contribute to their association with a smile on my face but im not one bit happy about it...you hear me!!!

allibastor · 11-09-2015 03:29PM

I do remember a few weeks back, bloody hilarious one.

A young lad from an Alarm company was trying to sell me their system, but didn't know anything about how it worked, so got the manager to call back with him.

Manager told me about it, but to be fair didn't know the full in's and out's of it either. I said I might be interested, but wanted to ask people about it first.
Guy said they would call back tomorrow.

They came back, same young lad who seemed to know less, I had a few more questions. Knew nothing of how the system would work with my existing systems or did they need to pull the sensors off the door.

Young lad proceeds to ring manager from 5 feet away from me, tells managers that I had more questions. Managers says very loudly on phone" FúCk sake, who the fúCk does that nob think he is, just buy the bloody system"

Young lad calls back to door, and looks surprised when I tell him I just heard manager and to please remove himself from my house. Still try's to sell the system!!!

StonyIron · 11-09-2015 03:30PM

lertsnim wrote: »

Say "I'm not interested" and if they persist "I am really not interested". If that still doesn't work a polite "**** off"

Just get one of those Monty Burns "The Hounds" buttons installed.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 11-09-2015 03:31PM

CruelCoin wrote: »

Sorry he what? :eek:

In my mind, interfering with my stuff is as bad as spitting at me.

Technically the meter and meter box are not yours. Anyway there is no information in the box regarding MPRN.

ytpe2r5bxkn0c1 · 11-09-2015 03:32PM

What are those? wrote: »

dont know if this counts ..but kids packing your groceries at the till and expecting you to dish out money,i can pack my bags myself thank you very much!well thats what i think anyway i usually let them do it and contribute to their association with a smile on my face but im not one bit happy about it...you hear me!!!

Hardly counts as hawkers at your door, unless they arrive with the Tesco home delivery.

StonyIron · 11-09-2015 03:34PM

Fieldog wrote: »

This doesn't make any sense, the outside box does not contain your MPRN number - he would already have it surely from ESB database....

That information is most likely shared with Airtricity anyway - similar to if you switch from Eircom to a different provider - they need your UAN.... (I think they call it)

He wouldn't have it and shouldn't have it! That would be a massive breech of the data protection act.

Airtricity regularly call to our house and I AM already an Airtricity customer. So they clearly have no data at all.

I'm getting fed up enough with it that I may shop around for a less pushy outfit !

StonyIron · 11-09-2015 03:36PM

Anton Bitter Ferryboat wrote: »

Technically the meter and meter box are not yours. Anyway there is no information in the box regarding MPRN.

Technically the meter box is yours although you're not allowed to install anything in it. Normally the cabinets and ducts are provided by whoever built the house/building to ESB specs.

ESB Networks own the meter and the wiring to the meter though.

*Only* ESB Networks or the home owner / tenant have any business opening the cabinet or reading anything.

Their meter readers or you yourself reads that and sends it on. The power companies just accept ESB Networks' metering and readings and calculate their own bills. They've absolutely nothing whatsoever to do with the wiring or meters.

Third party power companies have no involvement whatsoever in meter reading. So, the guy has no rights, implied or otherwise to enter your property or to fiddle with anything belonging to you or ESB Networks.

That is trespassing.

If you catch him at that again call 1800 372 999 and report him to ESB Networks. He shouldn't be going anywhere near that gear at all.

Competition is good but I hate that kind of pushy nonsense!

Ken. · 11-09-2015 03:53PM

Fieldog wrote: »

This doesn't make any sense, the outside box does not contain your MPRN number - he would already have it surely from ESB database....

That information is most likely shared with Airtricity anyway - similar to if you switch from Eircom to a different provider - they need your UAN.... (I think they call it)

He had the number written on the form. He said he'd gotten it from the box. He had one of them keys for opening the boxes on a lanyard around his neck. Maybe it was a different number. It was 6 years ago.

Gyalist · 11-09-2015 03:59PM

mariaalice wrote: »

The door to door one are annoying I just say no thanks, what I don't like are the can I do your gutter, clean your pavement ones. I have caught two of them checking the side passage way of our house and it makes me slightly nervous.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gt7BZqgQuAs

rubadub · 11-09-2015 04:34PM

Quick google found they were banned in a suburb in Wales before. For the reason I gave in many threads, it allows burglars a perfect alibi. I consider it to be a loophole in trespassing laws, just as I consider street chugging/chunting to be a loophole in the begging laws.

http://www.walesonline.co.uk/news/wales-news/doorstep-salesmen-banned-by-police-2249339

A survey by the Trading Standards Institute showed that 96% of household owners do not want doorstep callers.

A few years back in liverpool too.
http://www.liverpoolecho.co.uk/news/local-news/door-to-door-salesmen-banned-woolton-streets-3369186

gandalf · 11-09-2015 04:41PM

Just do what we did, unhook your doorbell

Then again we live in a top floor apartment so they can't see if we are in either!

Ally Dick · 11-09-2015 10:02PM

newacc2015 wrote: »

It still not as bad as Chuggers on Westmoreland Street/College Green. Honestly I dont know why its allowed. They are always BS charities/organisations looking for money. I know you just ignore them. But "Sorry mate, do you have a minute?". Just pisses me off so much

I very quickly put the phone to my ear when I see them. They'll never barge in on you if they think you are on the phone to someone. Works a dream

11-09-2015 11:46PM

Seldom have the door to door callers as living rural and don't have the chuggers on the streets.
Occasionally get called upon by guys selling house alarm. One particular fella refused to take no for an answer and I had to ask him to get off my property. He had the cheek to call the following day "hoping he'd get me in a better mood"

I asked him for his ID number and proceeded to ring the company to report him for his sales techniques while he stood on the drive, eventually backing into his heavily company advertised car. Truth be known I had no coverage but kept up the charade!!

Roll on several months later and this same guy appears in the drive in his heavily advertised home phone security watch car. I looked at him shaking my head as he walked towards me greeting me.
I turned and called out. From the bottom end of the garden came my German Shepherd and she sat obediently by my side. Mr Phone Security stopped in his tracks and slowly retreated to his car. I walked to his car and told him through the window not to return as my dogs roam freely around the garden and I would be concerned for his safety.

Roll on a few weeks and I'm out in the garden trimming back hedges. A heavily advertised car slows down and is about to enter the drive. My "friend" is in the drivers seat. He doesn't and proceeds down the road to the next house.

Haven't seen him since.....

Hawkers coming to the door

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