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Emirates A380 into Dublin?

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭Nibs05


    As mentioned already, EK are pushing the introduction of a A380 in Dub, EK are ready to roll on there side, it seems it's the DAA holding the show up.

    Work to be completed ready for arrival includes redisign of stand 404 T2, new markings, a new marshalling tower (A380 to high for current marshalling methods), new air bridge installed, ground handling equipment capable of handling a A380 (tugs, High loaders, staff training etc)

    Q3 is being mentioned but EK want ASAP. EK are pushing the buttons the on this and I believe even threatened to pull out of Dub all together (can't see this happening)

    I'll update if I get any further news


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,487 ✭✭✭✭JCX BXC


    I think you have mixed up EK with EY.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,016 ✭✭✭Pat Dunne


    Nibs05 wrote: »
    As mentioned already, EY are pushing the introduction of a A380 in Dub, EY are ready to roll on there side, it seems it's the DAA holding the show up.

    Work to be completed ready for arrival includes redisign of stand 404 T2, new markings, a new marshalling tower (A380 to high for current marshalling methods), new air bridge installed, ground handling equipment capable of handling a A380 (tugs, High loaders, staff training etc)

    Q3 is being mentioned but EY want ASAP. EY are pushing the buttons the on this and I believe even threatened to pull out of Dub all together (can't see this happening)

    I'll update if I get any further news
    Until you quote a reliable source for your information, it is all just heresay and speculation.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭Nibs05


    Carnacalla wrote: »
    I think you have mixed up EK with EY.

    Fixed, had Etihad in my head


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭Nibs05


    Pat Dunne wrote: »
    Until you quote a reliable source for your information, it is all just heresay and speculation.

    I don't think the Emirates rep or Swissport would come on here and say, things happen in the background that people are unaware of.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 18,710 ✭✭✭✭LXFlyer


    Nibs05 wrote: »
    Fixed, had Etihad in my head

    You missed one!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,920 ✭✭✭GTE


    Pat Dunne wrote: »
    Until you quote a reliable source for your information, it is all just heresay and speculation.

    Of course it is, which is all that can be expected here.

    Aside from a general "be careful of what you read on the web" reminder, I'm unsure of the need for posts as direct as this.

    I'd be surprised if any posters felt that it could be read any other way than speculation by others.

    Anyway, it will be interesting to hear how this pans out, especially if it turns out there has been a March to Sept delay!!


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,016 ✭✭✭Pat Dunne


    bbk wrote: »
    I'd be surprised if any posters felt that it could be read any other way than speculation by others.
    Be suprised, be very surprised!


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,524 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    I spent a number of years working airside at Dublin, so the following is not based on anything other than experience.

    DAA are not exactly renowned for being proactive. How long ago were questions about the possible implications of A380's at Dublin being discussed on the board here, and the conclusion at the time was that while it was theoretically possible, there were a number of issues that would make the operation less than optimum. DAA have only just got round to sorting out the logistical issues of A380's like planning with Fingal CC.

    Ground handling for a 380 is going to need some very specific and specialised equipment that may not be available at the moment, even though there are other wide body types being handled. Swissport may by now have push back tugs that will be capable of dealing with the 380, I hope they have, at one time, there was only one tug on the airfield that was capable of properly dealing with very large aircraft that needed push back from certain stands, it was a big monster of a thing that Aer Lingus had, twin engine, and it was the only tug capable of moving (for example) the big Antonov's from the old Cargo stands at the eastern end of the apron, due to the gradient and sharp turn required to get them pointing the right way.

    Training used to be a major problem. The handlers had instructions on how to operate their equipment, but when it came to how to interface with a specific aircraft type, they had nothing, and if a diversion happened and a type that wasn't common came in, there were times when the only answer was to ask the aircraft commander, which was sometimes not easy, depending on the nationality and the nature of the inquiry, some crews are only "ATC proficient" in English, and anything beyond that can sometimes be a problem. Try asking a captain how much water has to be loaded into the toilet system after emptying, there are times when they don't actually know, and the information may not be in the QRH, as it's not normally a crew matter.

    Then there's the issue of actually getting the equipment, I'd be prepared to put money on the issue that getting things like high loaders for the A380 may not be as easy as ordering off the shelf, given how many places they are starting to appear at.

    In theory, (which is always a dangerous thing), a high loader that can deal with a 777 should be capable of dealing with a 380, but I can't be categoric on that, I don't have access to the up to date technical specifications.

    Then there are issues with things like steps for the rear doors, which are often needed to facilitate cleaning, and even issues like the capability of de ice rigs to reach all the areas of the aircraft that need treating, and training people on the critical areas to NOT spray de ice fluid in to. Then there are other issues, like toilet and water servicing, the trucks have to be capable of reaching the access ports, among other issues. The 380 needs a LOT more ground power than other types, 4 x 90Kva, and in the event of an APU being unservicable, I suspect that at least 2 very large air start units would be needed, it used to be a major issue with even things like the 757 on occasions, and an airstart on stand with an A300 was not fun!

    Engineers have to be trained, for turnround, and line spares like tyres have to be available, as well as any other maintenance items.

    Then there's things like catering, in terms of making sure that there are enough galley carts on station, along with consumables needed for catering, while the menus may be the same on each airline, the specifics of how the carts are loaded, and where, all have to be arranged.

    So, getting everything into place for 380 operations into Dublin is not going to happen overnight, and you may be sure that if it was about to happen any time soon, there would be evidence in terms of the preparations for it. For sure, quite a few people would know what is happening, and when.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,638 ✭✭✭✭smurfjed


    4 x 90Kva
    This is a crazy amount of power, double a 777.

    Missed your postings... welcome back :)


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,840 ✭✭✭billie1b


    Was talking to OPS 1 yesterday, supposedly there's plans being put in place for Emirates to use the A380 over Christmas to see how it goes operationally at the airport


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 6,527 Mod ✭✭✭✭sharkman


    billie1b wrote: »
    Was talking to OPS 1 yesterday, supposedly there's plans being put in place for Emirates to use the A380 over Christmas to see how it goes operationally at the airport


    One flight for an "Emergency Trial" ..


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 3,840 ✭✭✭billie1b


    sharkman wrote: »
    One flight for an "Emergency Trial" ..

    No scheduled on the twice daily frequency for a couple of weeks to keep up with the Christmas demand


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 10,834 ✭✭✭✭Jamie2k9


    billie1b wrote: »
    No scheduled on the twice daily frequency for a couple of weeks to keep up with the Christmas demand

    Can we assume that 300 gates will be used or at least for the afternoon service.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,561 ✭✭✭andy_g


    billie1b wrote: »
    Was talking to OPS 1 yesterday, supposedly there's plans being put in place for Emirates to use the A380 over Christmas to see how it goes operationally at the airport

    One freshly painted A/C for EK to operate in DUB and its due to be in march next year.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 821 ✭✭✭eatmyshorts


    andy_g wrote: »
    One freshly painted A/C for EK to operate in DUB and its due to be in march next year.

    Green with a ginger beard and a Guinness on the tail?! :-)


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 6,527 Mod ✭✭✭✭sharkman


    billie1b wrote: »
    No scheduled on the twice daily frequency for a couple of weeks to keep up with the Christmas demand

    No truth in this. May be in for a once off though .


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,561 ✭✭✭andy_g


    Green with a ginger beard and a Guinness on the tail?! :-)

    Well from the romour mill it will be a green of some kind and will be dedicated to the dub route


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 224 ✭✭woodzie


    Was talking to an emirates pilot over the weekend and he said the a380 will be launching on the Dublin route on Paddys day next year.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭Nibs05


    Just a small update,

    Seems work has started on reinforcing the concrete apron at stand 403, the stand is currently sealed off with security fencing including the 2 jet bridges, all though I thought the plan was to use stand 404 according to the plan the DAA submitted to FCC :confused:


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 276 ✭✭stopthepanic


    Nibs05 wrote: »
    Just a small update,

    Seems work has started on reinforcing the concrete apron at stand 403, the stand is currently sealed off with security fencing including the 2 jet bridges, all though I thought the plan was to use stand 404 according to the plan the DAA submitted to FCC :confused:

    This has nothing to do with the A380. It is just the first phase of reconstruction of some very old concrete on the taxiway between piers 3 and 4. Over the next few winters the whole area will be relaid.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 699 ✭✭✭Nibs05


    Nibs05 wrote: »
    Just a small update,

    Seems work has started on reinforcing the concrete apron at stand 403, the stand is currently sealed off with security fencing including the 2 jet bridges, all though I thought the plan was to use stand 404 according to the plan the DAA submitted to FCC :confused:

    Okay my bad wrong information was fed on the ground


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 261 ✭✭kkapp


    Nibs05 you are correct , I work at Dublin Airport and the gates you mentioned are indeed been prepared to facilitate the a380 in DUB. The service is expected to launch in March.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 821 ✭✭✭eatmyshorts


    kkapp wrote: »
    Nibs05 you are correct , I work at Dublin Airport and the gates you mentioned are indeed been prepared to facilitate the a380 in DUB. The service is expected to launch in March.

    No service planned until 2017 at the earliest.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 276 ✭✭stopthepanic


    kkapp wrote: »
    Nibs05 you are correct , I work at Dublin Airport and the gates you mentioned are indeed been prepared to facilitate the a380 in DUB. The service is expected to launch in March.
    Nibs05 wrote: »
    Just a small update,

    Seems work has started on reinforcing the concrete apron at stand 403, the stand is currently sealed off with security fencing including the 2 jet bridges, all though I thought the plan was to use stand 404 according to the plan the DAA submitted to FCC :confused:

    He was correct to state that stand 404C is where the A380 will park. However the apron reconstruction has nothing to do with the A380.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,126 ✭✭✭afatbollix


    Do you think they will use the high economy & business only a380 or will they offer first? I wonder how busy first is out of Dublin.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,178 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    However the apron reconstruction has nothing to do with the A380.

    What is the reason for the reconstruction?

    Surely any underlying issues would have been found 5 years ago when T2 was being built?


  • Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 10,072 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tenger


    Have seen this thread being quoted elsewhere online as the source for confirmation that an EK A380 will arrive in on March 17th in an Irish livery.
    Gotta love the internet.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 16,178 ✭✭✭✭AndyBoBandy


    Tenger wrote: »
    Have seen this thread being quoted elsewhere online as the source for confirmation that an EK A380 will arrive in on March 17th in an Irish livery.
    Gotta love the internet.

    In that case, I'd like to hereby announce that I'm type certified in the A320/A330 series of aircraft, and I'll be fielding questions every morning from 06:45am - 07:15am

    Call me Captain Bo Bandy


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 7,713 ✭✭✭Bluefoam


    afatbollix wrote: »
    Do you think they will use the high economy & business only a380 or will they offer first? I wonder how busy first is out of Dublin.

    I read recently that they have a new order in with Boeing to produce a380's with 1st class removed... adds about 130 seats to economy... from Dubai Air Show...

    http://www.traveller.com.au/emirates-removes-first-class-on-its-a380-to-fit-in-more-economy-seats-gkxwma


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