Is "Dublin" a real place?

Notavirus.exe · 08-09-2015 08:56PM

Mark Tapley wrote: »

Say for instance your Granny was being attacked . Somebody else is there who has the power to stop it but doesn't. What would you think of them?

Is God obliged to help anyone? The attacker wants to attack my grandmother. My grandmother doesn't want to be attacked. Two people want two separate things, they both can't have what they want.

Again, God can not be held accountable for what we do to each other.

Notavirus.exe · 08-09-2015 09:02PM

Rock77 wrote: »

I would love to believe in god, but there is absolutely no evidence of a god. Why would i blindly believe in something like that. Why do you OP?
Sorry if you have already answered this.

God has left us clues, I believe. If you look closely, you might see them.

I'm not saying that there is proof of God out there, just these little things that point to a creator. Between you and me, I find the idea of no creator a bit ludicrous. The same way atheists find the idea of a creator ludicrous.

Anyway, we're all in this together. I think it's nice that we get to discuss these things.

Rock77 wrote: »

I would love to believe in god, but there is absolutely no evidence of a god.

There's also no evidence of the non-existence of God so I wouldn't throw the idea out completely.

robindch · 08-09-2015 09:04PM

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

God can not be held accountable for what we do to each other.

So your deity isn't omnipotent then? And it's not omniscient either?

Kev W · 08-09-2015 09:05PM

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

Is God obliged to help anyone? The attacker wants to attack my grandmother. My grandmother doesn't want to be attacked. Two people want two separate things, they both can't have what they want.

Again, God can not be held accountable for what we do to each other.

So if you witness someone being attacked and are capable of helping (for the sake of argument let's assume you could fight off the attacker in this scenario with no harm to yourself) you wouldn't because you're not obligated to do so?

kylith · 08-09-2015 09:10PM

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

Is God obliged to help anyone? The attacker wants to attack my grandmother. My grandmother doesn't want to be attacked. Two people want two separate things, they both can't have what they want.

Again, God can not be held accountable for what we do to each other.

So the supposed font and wellspring of morality, mercy, and goodness won't lift a finger to stop an old woman being attacked. Again, why are we supposed to be worshipping this entity?

kylith · 08-09-2015 09:11PM

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

I'm not saying that there is proof of God out there, just these little things that point to a creator.

What things?

endacl · 08-09-2015 09:12PM

kylith wrote: »

What things?

Pictures of ghosts in black lipstick. Obviously.

Do try to keep up.

Kev W · 08-09-2015 09:13PM

kylith wrote: »

What things?

Priests, the Bible, that sort of stuff.

Danjamin1 · 08-09-2015 09:13PM

I'm quite enjoying this thread, so far the OP has touched on belief in a deity, atheist bashing, intelligent design, the Holocaust, I can't wait to see what's next!

Danjamin1 · 08-09-2015 09:14PM

And definite belief in ghosts based on pictures on the Internet, I forgot about that one

Notavirus.exe · 08-09-2015 09:31PM

Danjamin1 wrote: »

And definite belief in ghosts based on pictures on the Internet, I forgot about that one

I have my own photos that I took.

Danjamin1 · 08-09-2015 09:34PM

Notavirus.exe wrote:

I have my own photos that I took.

Right, the ones that you can't share to prove your point

Notavirus.exe · 08-09-2015 09:46PM

Danjamin1 wrote: »

Right, the ones that you can't share to prove your point

Forget I said I have photos. Let me rephrase it to "I have my reasons for believing in spiritual energy, which is for my eyes only".

I say to myself that a being such as "God" MAYBE isn't that impossible if "ghosts" can exist.

Mark Tapley · 08-09-2015 09:48PM

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

Is God obliged to help anyone? The attacker wants to attack my grandmother. My grandmother doesn't want to be attacked. Two people want two separate things, they both can't have what they want.

Again, God can not be held accountable for what we do to each other.

The woman in the tree would intervene.

Cabaal · 08-09-2015 09:51PM

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

The Bible doesn't say that God is a Liberal..

You're right, it doesn't.
It says when he gets pissed off and things don't go his way he murders almost every living thing on earth.

Infact he directly or indirectly kills many many thousands more then the devil in the Bible. Yet the devil is the bad guy?

If God existed, I'd rather take my chances with the devil

endacl · 08-09-2015 09:53PM

Danjamin1 wrote: »

I can't wait to see what's next!

Cabaal · 08-09-2015 09:53PM

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

Forget I said I have photos. Let me rephrase it to "I have my reasons for believing in spiritual energy, which is for my eyes only".

I say to myself that a being such as "God" MAYBE isn't that impossible if "ghosts" can exist.

So we should ignore all the nonsense you've said about ghost existing and just replace it with a different type of nonsense?

Grand so,

Boils down to Ghost exist because I think they do,...

thomas anderson. · 08-09-2015 09:55PM

Danjamin1 wrote: »

I'm quite enjoying this thread, so far the OP has touched on belief in a deity, atheist bashing, intelligent design, the Holocaust, I can't wait to see what's next!

Sinn Fein no doubt

thomas anderson. · 08-09-2015 09:57PM

Cabaal wrote: »

You're right, it doesn't.
It says when he gets pissed off and things don't go his way he murders almost every living thing on earth.

Infact he directly or indirectly kills many many thousands more then the devil in the Bible. Yet the devil is the bad guy?

If God existed, I'd rather take my chances with the devil

I remember reading somewhere that it was 6 million

endacl · 08-09-2015 09:58PM

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

Forget I said I have photos.

First we have to forget your granny. Now your photos? Are we to just forget everything you say, point by point, once you've been challenged on it?

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

Let me rephrase it to "I have my reasons for believing in spiritual energy, which is for my eyes only".

Explain your reasons. You opened a discussion on a discussion board. Discuss. Perhaps you thought this was a blog?

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

I say to myself that a being such as "God" MAYBE isn't that impossible if "ghosts" can exist.

But that's not what you have been saying. It is, however, a continuation of what you have been doing. Wriggling.

Notavirus.exe · 08-09-2015 10:07PM

endacl wrote: »

Explain your reasons. You opened a discussion on a discussion board. Discuss. Perhaps you thought this was a blog?

I was giving my own personal reasons for believing in God, as requested.

I am being hassled by atheists into explaining my reasons for believing in God now.

endacl · 08-09-2015 10:15PM

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

I was giving my own personal reasons for believing in God, as requested.

No you weren't. You simply stated that you did. The closest you came to giving your reasons was something along the lines of "I believe unicorns are possible. I have a picture which I believe shows a unicorn. Therefore dragon".

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

I am being hassled by atheists into explaining my reasons for believing in God now.

You're not being hassled at all. You're being responded to. In fairness, we're going fairly easy on you. You seem harmless enough.

ThrowinShapes · 08-09-2015 10:21PM

Totally understandable question. I'll try to clearly lay out my thoughts on it.

First of all, which God? I'm assuming you're referring to the God of the Christian faith. This is largely based on who you were born to, and when/where you were born. How can anyone claim to have the right one when all these factors have to be just right? Then how is that fair to people of other faiths who will presumably go to hell for believing in the wrong one?

As children we're all atheists until our parents, or guardians, can teach us their beliefs from a young age. It's likely they were taught to believe in a God in the exact same way. I didn't have a choice growing up, so when you're not aware of choice then there's nothing to question.

I don't think I could truly live if I thought I would live an eternal life. I know that one day I'll die, and that'll be it. It doesn't render my life meaningless. Quite the opposite, actually. I have a finite amount of time to live a full life, and contribute to the world as much as I can. My chance of immortality comes from leaving a lasting memory with the other lives I meet.

All this leads to the question of evidence. I need evidence of something before I can believe in it. If God descended from the clouds, and showed up at my front door, of course then I'd believe that there's a God. However, I still wouldn't worship such a malevolent or uncaring God. What kind of monster let's such suffering occur every minute of every day, and still ask us to praise him/her?

For me, insanity is accepting such monumental claims without first questioning every aspect of it. Fair enough, people find comfort in it, and that's absolutely fine too as long as they leave me out of it while keeping it amongst themselves.

Notavirus.exe · 08-09-2015 10:26PM

endacl wrote: »

No you weren't. You simply stated that you did. The closest you came to giving your reasons was something along the lines of "I believe unicorns are possible. I have a picture which I believe shows a unicorn. Therefore dragon".

You're not being hassled at all. You're being responded to. In fairness, we're going fairly easy on you. You seem harmless enough.

Can you post your reasons for not believing? "I don't see God, therefore He doesn't exist" is not an answer. More specifically, can you tell me why your mind isn't as open to thought as that of an agnostics?

robindch · 08-09-2015 10:37PM

Danjamin1 wrote: »

I'm quite enjoying this thread, so far the OP has touched on belief in a deity, atheist bashing, intelligent design, the Holocaust, I can't wait to see what's next!

If past history with other posters is anything to go by, I'm putting 50p on a carcrash before long.

Pherekydes · 08-09-2015 10:46PM

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

Can you post your reasons for not believing? "I don't see God, therefore He doesn't exist" is not an answer. More specifically, can you tell me why your mind isn't as open to thought as that of an agnostics?

Not speaking for him, but maybe he is an agnostic and an atheist?

You don't seem to grasp that many (most?) atheists are also agnostic.

Why is that?

kylith · 08-09-2015 10:50PM

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

Can you post your reasons for not believing? "I don't see God, therefore He doesn't exist" is not an answer. More specifically, can you tell me why your mind isn't as open to thought as that of an agnostics?

Can you post your reasons for not believing in unicorns? "I don't see unicorns, therefore they don't exist" is not an answer.

endacl · 08-09-2015 10:58PM

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

Can you post your reasons for not believing? "I don't see God, therefore He doesn't exist" is not an answer. More specifically, can you tell me why your mind isn't as open to thought as that of an agnostics?

I am agnostic. I'm open to changing my position based on convincing evidence. Granted, I'm like 99.9999999% atheist, but there is room there for not less than one gods, if and when he/she/it/them decides it's time to stop dicking around.

"I don't see God, therefore He doesn't exist" is not my position. "I have seen no evidence to suggest that there is a god, and those claims made on behalf of his existence don't bear up under scrutiny" is closer.

My mind is quite open, thank you very much. You appear to have mixed me up with an oversimplified archetype. I wonder why you'd do that? What kind of thinking leads to....

sheesh · 08-09-2015 11:00PM

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

I know the title looks insulting to atheists but I am not attacking atheist beliefs.

I respect that you don't believe in God but I don't understand how you can cope with life believing that when you die, that's it.
If I had 100% definitive proof that there was no God, I'd turn into a depressed psycho murderer. That's if I didn't kill myself in a depression fulled rage.

Can you please explain how you live life believing there is no God without going insane?

you wouldn't you would just go on living doing the best you can.

Lord Riverside · 08-09-2015 11:17PM

Rock77 wrote: »

I would love to believe in god, but there is absolutely no evidence of a god. Why would i blindly believe in something like that. Why do you OP?
Sorry if you have already answered this.

I believe alien life exists , but to date no evidence has been found, but I'm pretty confident evidence will be found in my lifetime or beyond, and then it'll be a fact rather than a belief.

Out of interest, if you are seeking evidence, what evidence would actually prove God, any examples of what you would accept as evidence, and how it would prove without dispute that God exists ?

Is "Dublin" a real place?

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