Is "Dublin" a real place?

quadrifoglio verde · 08-09-2015 06:23PM

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

I know the title looks insulting to atheists but I am not attacking atheist beliefs.

I respect that you don't believe in God but I don't understand how you can cope with life believing that when you die, that's it.
If I had 100% definitive proof that there was no God, I'd turn into a depressed psycho murderer. That's if I didn't kill myself in a depression fulled rage.

Can you please explain how you live life believing there is no God without going insane?

I get all the **** I want to do while I'm alive done while I'm alive.
I genuinely don't fear death, so long as it's not a long drawn out process or in a horrible way.
So at 23 I don't fear dying in my sleep (obviously I'm hoping that will happen at 93) however I'd hate to be murdered or burned to death (at Any age).

Obviously the thought of dying young is horrible, knowing things that you want to do will never happen, but I don't worry about that because if I do, I won't be around for the consequences :pac:

I don't believe in an afterlife but if it transpired that God was real I'd be questioning him as to why he let events like the holocaust, tsunami, Rwanda, 9/11, migrant children drowning happen and inform him that I still don't want to be in his club and he can cancel my membership to the afterlife.

Username here · 08-09-2015 06:32PM

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

... I don't know what makes her happy...

I don't know..... Maybe if she's on Boards, you could, you know, ask her, or something?

kippy · 08-09-2015 07:02PM

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

I don't know. All I know is, she's atheist and happy. I don't know what makes her happy if she thinks she's going to die soon and she won't exist at all afterwards.

What makes you happy about death?

Lord Riverside · 08-09-2015 07:09PM

Jim tully wrote: »

Ok. I think we are getting caught up on the meaning of words here. Massive, not describing the evidence itself but rather the implication of the evidence. You're pontificating about it being incorrect and unscientific when its actually a quote from Prof. Dicky Dawkins himself ;-)

It is ? can you provide it, because if he did say that, it would be further confirmation that he's more interested in histrionics than science.

Notavirus.exe · 08-09-2015 07:27PM

quadrifoglio verde wrote: »

I don't believe in an afterlife but if it transpired that God was real I'd be questioning him as to why he let events like the holocaust, tsunami, Rwanda, 9/11, migrant children drowning happen and inform him that I still don't want to be in his club and he can cancel my membership to the afterlife.

The Holocaust: Caused by human greed.

Rwanda: Caused by psychotic humans.

9/11: Caused by a whackhead religious extremist/US government inside job *cough* *cough*

Migrant children drowning: Caused by either bad parenting or greedy humans causing wars forcing these people to seek free homes, food and money in other countries, most likely the latter.

We have freewill, God claims to respect that and whatever we do, we will be held accountable for it when we die.

Lithium93_ · 08-09-2015 07:29PM

Eh actually the Holocaust was caused by Hitler's ideology/hatred of the Jews, not by human greed.

Notavirus.exe · 08-09-2015 07:33PM

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Eh actually the Holocaust was caused by Hitler's ideology/hatred of the Jews, not by human greed.

Killing other people on a mass scale for your own benefit is greed.

And stealing their gold, jewellery and other possessions is also considered greedy.

Lithium93_ · 08-09-2015 07:37PM

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

Killing other people on a mass scale for your own benefit is greed.

And stealing their gold, jewellery and other possessions is also considered greedy.

No killing other people/race of people on a mass scale is genocide.. Not greed.

Notavirus.exe · 08-09-2015 08:01PM

Lithium93_ wrote: »

No killing other people/race of people on a mass scale is genocide.. Not greed.

Yes, but the genocide was out of selfish nature. :rolleyes:

Lithium93_ · 08-09-2015 08:03PM

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

Yes, but the genocide was out of selfish nature. :rolleyes:

Well that's YOUR opinion..

Wanderer78 · 08-09-2015 08:03PM

most rock and roll day on the mountains today op. still no need for god in my life

Lord Riverside · 08-09-2015 08:05PM

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Eh actually the Holocaust was caused by Hitler's ideology/hatred of the Jews, not by human greed.

I thought it was supposed to be God's fault, the one that's not supposed to exist ?

Notavirus.exe · 08-09-2015 08:13PM

Lithium93_ wrote: »

Well that's YOUR opinion..

So you're opinion is that Hitler ordered the genocide of the Jews out of selflessness? :eek:

Lucena · 08-09-2015 08:13PM

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

The Holocaust: Caused by human greed.

Rwanda: Caused by psychotic humans.

9/11: Caused by a whackhead religious extremist/US government inside job *cough* *cough*

Migrant children drowning: Caused by either bad parenting or greedy humans causing wars forcing these people to seek free homes, food and money in other countries, most likely the latter.

We have freewill, God claims to respect that and whatever we do, we will be held accountable for it when we die.

So basically God could step in and stop human suffering, but decides not to?

So from a practical standpoint, the difference between God existing and not existing is zero.

Notavirus.exe · 08-09-2015 08:15PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

most rock and roll day on the mountains today op. still no need for god in my life

Ah, that's good for you.

Kev W · 08-09-2015 08:15PM

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

So you're opinion is that Hitler ordered the genocide of the Jews out of selflessness? :eek:

You're being deliberately obtuse.

kylith · 08-09-2015 08:15PM

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

We have freewill, God claims to respect that and whatever we do, we will be held accountable for it when we die.

Either we have free will OR god* has a plan. It can't be both.

If we have free will then either a) god doesn't care what happens on earth or b) we can go against god's plan. If we can go against god's plan then he can't be all-powerful.

If god has a plan then everything that happens is part of that plan; drowning refugee children, ebola, the holocaust; everything. If everything is part of his plan, and we can't go against that plan, then punishing us for doing something that he a) knew we were going to do and b) is a part of his plan in the first place is kind of dickish. Don't you think?

As a wise person said: If I knew that someone was going to rape a child I would stop them from doing it. This is the difference between me and God

*assuming he exists for the sake of argument.

Jim tully · 08-09-2015 08:16PM

What about viruses, bacteria, cancer, diseases, earthquakes, volcanoes, typhoons, hurricanes, floods, famine from natural disaster and a whole list of other nasty things that we are not responsible for. This God fella has a LOT to answer for. What an absolute psycho allowing for all this suffering to happen while he sits back arrogantly expecting to be worshipped. The man is a maniac.

Maybe, just maybe, if I was to bend over backwards, I could extend the olive branch and say well perhaps there is some greater power that is beyond our understanding. After all, it would be conceited for us to assume that we are the summit of intellect of the universe. The universe is a strange place with black holes now believed to lead into other universes with different physical laws etc so who knows right? What I just cannot accept is that this greater being is something that cares for us, an insignificant ape species on a speck of dust in the cosmos. It just does not make sense. I actually find this impossible to believe. It's far too conceited. Either way there is no reason to believe in this anyway, it's just speculation.

I think the more we learn our place in the universe the more humble we come. There comes a time in your life where you have to man up to the stone cold facts of nature. Santa Clause, fairies and genies are all fantasies left behind in childhood and God should be no different just because there is a promise of an afterlife. I think to be able to stand up and stare at the cold and dark universe and accept that it is what it is and does not care about you or owe you anything is the more noble and humble approach.

Lithium93_ · 08-09-2015 08:17PM

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

So you're opinion is that Hitler ordered the genocide of the Jews out of selflessness? :eek:

No that's not my opinion, he did it out of his twisted ideology/hatred of the Jews...

That's what i read in the history books in secondary school.

Notavirus.exe · 08-09-2015 08:19PM

Lucena wrote: »

So basically God could step in and stop human suffering, but decides not to?

So from a practical standpoint, the difference between God existing and not existing is zero.

The Bible doesn't say that God is a Liberal.

God created us and left us alone to watch us, nothing more. We created a monetary system. If our monetary system causes some people to lose out (i.e. people living in the desert for whatever reason), well then that's our fault, not our creator's.

Kev W · 08-09-2015 08:22PM

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

The Bible doesn't say that God is a Liberal.

God created us and left us alone to watch us, nothing more. We created a monetary system. If our monetary system causes some people to lose out (i.e. people living in the desert for whatever reason), well then that's our fault, not our creator's.

So God is essentially a cosmic Peeping Tom? Or is he more like a kid with an ant farm?

Notavirus.exe · 08-09-2015 08:23PM

Kev W wrote: »

So God is essentially a cosmic Peeping Tom? Or is he more like a kid with an ant farm?

The former, yes. He judges you after death for your actions.

Lucena · 08-09-2015 08:31PM

Not much point praying to him for stuff then, is there?

Mark Tapley · 08-09-2015 08:32PM

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

The Holocaust: Caused by human greed.

Rwanda: Caused by psychotic humans.

9/11: Caused by a whackhead religious extremist/US government inside job *cough* *cough*

Migrant children drowning: Caused by either bad parenting or greedy humans causing wars forcing these people to seek free homes, food and money in other countries, most likely the latter.

We have freewill, God claims to respect that and whatever we do, we will be held accountable for it when we die.

Say for instance your Granny was being attacked . Somebody else is there who has the power to stop it but doesn't. What would you think of them?

kylith · 08-09-2015 08:33PM

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

The Bible doesn't say that God is a Liberal.

God created us and left us alone to watch us, nothing more. We created a monetary system. If our monetary system causes some people to lose out (i.e. people living in the desert for whatever reason), well then that's our fault, not our creator's.

Then why worship him?

Lord Riverside · 08-09-2015 08:41PM

kylith wrote: »

Either we have free will OR god* has a plan. It can't be both

I've got free will and Enda has a 5 point plan. Oh God I wish Enda didn't exist.

endacl · 08-09-2015 08:44PM

kylith wrote: »

Then why worship him?

Because he demands it. Omnipotent yet insecure.

Odd...

endacl · 08-09-2015 08:50PM

Lord Riverside wrote: »

I've got free will and Enda has a 5 point plan. Oh God I wish Enda didn't exist.

Tough.

:mad:

Lithium93_ · 08-09-2015 08:53PM

George Carlin's religion is bull**** video on Youtube pretty much sums up ''GOD''

Rock77 · 08-09-2015 08:54PM

I would love to believe in god, but there is absolutely no evidence of a god. Why would i blindly believe in something like that. Why do you OP?
Sorry if you have already answered this.

Is "Dublin" a real place?

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