Farmers Threaten To Take Law Into Their Own Hands. What Can Be Done?

08-09-2015 07:22AM

VinLieger wrote: »

In fairness it doesn't matter if they are traveller's or not, scum that behaves like this should just be shot no matter where they are from.

I really don't think so.

In the 1700s we hung people for theft. I don't think we should now arm people to prevent it, or stand back as they do so.

Plus suspect a lot of the article in the OP is Paul Williams hand flapping. I live in a rural area and I don't know anyone who would really want to shoot someone to prevent the theft of a power tool.

VinLieger · 08-09-2015 07:23AM

Arbiter of Good Taste wrote: »

Are you serious? No one should have the right to defend themselves or their property as that would legitimise the criminals?

LOL its just EotR and his usual "take the side of the argument least people agree with" routine, some might call him a troll, not saying thats what he is.... but some would :rolleyes:

VinLieger · 08-09-2015 07:25AM

Deleted User wrote: »

I really don't think so.

In the 1700s we hung people for theft. I don't think we should now arm people to prevent it, or stand back as they do so.

Plus suspect a lot of the article in the OP is Paul Williams hand flapping. I live in a rural area and I don't know anyone who would really want to shoot someone to prevent the theft of a power tool.

I agree a lot of it is likely hand flapping but im also a strong proponent of castle doctrine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine which this country sorely needs.

08-09-2015 07:30AM

VinLieger wrote: »

I agree a lot of it is likely hand flapping but im also a strong proponent of castle doctrine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Castle_doctrine which this country sorely needs.

But it's not really likely to apply here.

Williams refers to trailers, fuel, tools etc. which are usually stored in sheds and might be nowhere near ones home.

Not that that makes the theft fine, but it makes response by lethal force more questionable.

Serjeant Buzfuz · 08-09-2015 08:58AM

For Forks Sake wrote: »

Only for Pavee Point would put a stop to it, you'd have the makings of one hell of a TV show there.....

It's part of their culture not to be filmed (except by insurance investigators)

Riskymove · 08-09-2015 09:23AM

pmasterson95 wrote: »

Not many repeat offenders. Corpses dont steal well.

indeed...including the corpses of the homeowners who end being killed...or the water meter reader who gets blown away by some paranoid homeowner

Galwayguy35 · 08-09-2015 05:33PM

end of the road wrote: »

not at all. this type of thing should not be encouraged.

No, why not?

If some scrote comes into a persons house to steal and possibly hurt them the homeowner has a right to defend themselves.

Frog was going in to rob what he thought was a vulnerable old man, he soon found out there is only so much a person can take before they fight back.

08-09-2015 06:06PM

Riskymove wrote: »

absolutely....I mean there is no burglary or theft in the USA:rolleyes:

No... but from my experience very, very few compared to Ireland.

6 years living over there, in the south, never heard of anyone I knew being burgled. Very few bothered with the expense of alarm systems, not needed. Generally seemed to be a lot less crime than what seems to be accepted as normal in Ireland. May be something to do with having the right to defend yourself, your property, your neighbor and his property also?

Back here I'm one of the very few locally that has not been burgled at least once in the last 5 years or so.

Putin · 08-09-2015 06:12PM

Let the farmers at it I say. If the Gardai can't protect them, then they've every right to protect themselves.

end of the road · 08-09-2015 06:17PM

Putin wrote: »

Let the farmers at it I say. If the Gardai can't protect them, then they've every right to protect themselves.

they don't. the gardai not being able to do their job due to underfunding is no justification for allowing people to break the law

Chemical Byrne · 08-09-2015 06:21PM

I wonder if this happened that someone **** a traveller and never reported it would a missing persons report be made to Gardai by the travellers given that they would be heavily involved in criminality and slow to get gaurds involved?

Mesrine65 · 08-09-2015 06:27PM

end of the road wrote: »

they don't. the gardai not being able to do their job due to underfunding is no justification for allowing people to break the law

Hypothetically, you're in bed with your OH, you're kids are in bed asleep, you hear an intruder inside your home in the middle of the night...

You live in a rural area, Gardaí are not an option, you have to react to a perceived threat from within, you have a legally licensed firearm in the house...what would you do?

Notavirus.exe · 08-09-2015 06:28PM

end of the road wrote: »

they don't. the gardai not being able to do their job due to underfunding is no justification for allowing people to break the law

What you're saying is, preventing crime and defending yourself and your property is breaking the law?

So next time I see four guys in a van pull up outside my house and enter my property with axes and knives in hand, don't run for my shotgun?

custard gannet · 08-09-2015 06:36PM

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

a big "Everything's Free!" sign out on the road.

:mad: :mad: :mad:

That might be the best deterrent. They'd nearly not take it if they thought it was being given away, less buzz than robbing something off the buffers, as they call us.

Witcher · 08-09-2015 06:38PM

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

What you're saying is, preventing crime and defending yourself and your property is breaking the law?

So next time I see four guys in a van pull up outside my house and enter my property with axes and knives in hand, don't run for my shotgun?

According to your thread in the legal forum you don't have a gun so running for it would be fruitless:pac:

flutered · 08-09-2015 06:43PM

Galwayguy35 wrote: »

No, why not?

If some scrote comes into a persons house to steal and possibly hurt them the homeowner has a right to defend themselves.

Frog was going in to rob what he thought was a vulnerable old man, he soon found out there is only so much a person can take before they fight back.

the travellers who roam depend on fear, there has been two instances hereabouts where folk have stood up to them, told them most unpolitely what to do with themselves, they left using not so very nice language, but they left

Notavirus.exe · 08-09-2015 06:54PM

Strider wrote: »

According to your thread in the legal forum you don't have a gun so running for it would be fruitless:pac:

I never said I didn't have one.

Witcher · 08-09-2015 07:00PM

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

I never said I didn't have one.

You admitted you had no clue about the requirements to own one or the storage requirements so as someone who actually owns firearms I'd safely say you're bull****ting :pac:

Notavirus.exe · 08-09-2015 07:05PM

Strider wrote: »

You admitted you had no clue about the requirements to own one or the storage requirements so as someone who actually owns firearms I'd safely say you're bull****ting :pac:

I don't know about the official storage requirements but I have it kept locked in a gun cabinet, key at the ready.

enricoh · 08-09-2015 07:06PM

Are the Gardai underfunded though? How do we compare to the UK for cops per 100000 people?
I read in one of the paper's that the cops are pretty much on strike since their overtime was cut n pension levy brought in.
I gave up calling to the local station to get forms stamped etc as the doors would be locked n the bell was disconnected even though I could hear them talking inside. I don't bother ringing about thefts, attempted stuff etc unless I'm making an insurance claim now

08-09-2015 07:06PM

end of the road wrote: »

anyone who takes the law into their own hands can't complain about others breaking the law. so these farmers can't complain about their stuff being stolen once they take the law into their own hands, they will have effectively condoned and legitimized the actions. what does need to happen is more funding and more gardai

But the Criminal Law Defence and the Dwelling Act 2011 recognises the constitutional position of a person's home and allows for a person to use reasonable force in defending their home.

With our legal system I guess its a case of wait and see what sets precedence as to what constitutes reasonable force.

Mesrine65 · 08-09-2015 07:08PM

I have an old Webley Mark IV revolver that belonged to my grandfather from the old days.

I would safely state that there's a lot of unregistered firearms in this country.

RobertKK · 08-09-2015 07:17PM

I live alone in rural Ireland, and all this talk had me last night feeling paranoid.

Hans Bricks · 08-09-2015 07:26PM

Riskymove wrote: »

indeed...including the corpses of the homeowners who end being killed...or the water meter reader who gets blown away by some paranoid homeowner

Sure why bother defending yourself in your own home unless it's completely risk free ?? Tell me. Do you reckon a middle to pension aged adult stands a better chance fending off intruders with a deadly ranged weapon or hand to hand with groups of younger, stronger young males ?? The water meter reader analogy is just daft.

Old Jakey · 08-09-2015 07:29PM

Hopefully a few knackers get killed soon. Don't want to die? Don't break into someone's house.

Banned

08-09-2015 07:36PM

Old Jakey wrote: »

Hopefully a few knackers get killed soon. Don't want to die? Don't break into someone's house.

And young males from council estates in cities.

At least the itinerants don't fritter it away on their drug habits.

byhookorbycrook · 08-09-2015 07:37PM

Gardaí in Carlow set up a series of roadblocks last week, they caught enough dubious characters with stolen items/illegal weapons etc. to fill two prison vans. Rolling roadblocks like that are a good start. And it's not just farmers, by the by.
http://kclr96fm.com/gardai-launch-6-week-operation-storm-across-carlow-and-kilkenny/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=facebook

IH784man · 08-09-2015 07:39PM

If a lad wants to steal something he will get it,there is electric angle grinders,no matter what shed you have it in or what lock you have it in some c€nt will get in,a lock only keeps an honest person from being nosey,forgot the key to a lock for a field one day,opened it with a hammer.

end of the road · 08-09-2015 09:27PM

Notavirus.exe wrote: »

I don't know about the official storage requirements but I have it kept locked in a gun cabinet, key at the ready.

so you have a licenced fire arm but don't know the storage requirements? i'm calling bull TBH.

PARlance · 08-09-2015 09:45PM

IH784man wrote: »

If a lad wants to steal something he will get it,there is electric angle grinders,no matter what shed you have it in or what lock you have it in some c€nt will get in,a lock only keeps an honest person from being nosey,forgot the key to a lock for a field one day,opened it with a hammer.

You could have just jumped the gate!

Farmers Threaten To Take Law Into Their Own Hands. What Can Be Done?

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