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UK forces kill own citizens in Syria

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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Two dead terrorists, what's the problem?

    Apparently the one from Cardiff "community" Is demanding answers apparently .

    goes off raping and murdering people in the name of Islam and his community wants to know why he was drone striked


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,191 ✭✭✭Eugene Norman


    In their fight against Assad? Yes. In anything else? No.

    It's possible to fight against Assad along side IS without actually funding, weaponising, or helping IS in any way. But to suggest that because Assad is an enemy of IS, we should punish people fighting against Assad, is madness. The guy is an evil despot and should not receive one shred of protection or support from the West.

    The Assad Baathist regime like Iraq's is probably better than the alternative.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,030 ✭✭✭njs030


    In their fight against Assad? Yes. In anything else? No.

    It's possible to fight against Assad along side IS without actually funding, weaponising, or helping IS in any way. But to suggest that because Assad is an enemy of IS, we should punish people fighting against Assad, is madness. The guy is an evil despot and should not receive one shred of protection or support from the West.

    What do you suggest happens after the Assad regime is defeated?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Gatling wrote: »
    Apparently the one from Cardiff "community" Is demanding answers apparently .

    goes off raping and murdering people in the name of Islam and his community wants to know why he was drone striked

    One is surprised these groups use the protections and laws of the democracy's they are based in ? They cynically use our freedoms against us From within While the other hand runs around the ME doing terrible things.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,410 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    What do you suggest happens after the Assad regime is defeated?

    I'm sure the problem will quietly sort itself out after he's gone.

    Shur didn't it work out fine for Libya when 'we' took care of Gadaffi and then just abandoned the place? /s


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,463 ✭✭✭CruelCoin


    Is Britain at war against the persons or their affiliation? When was the declaration? And do Geneva conventions apply? You can't have it both ways. You can't determine that the victims are enemy fighters but then ignore the stipulations that go with that determination.
    They declared ISIS terrorists, and Britain sees itself at war with all terrorists.

    This was obvious a decade ago.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭asherbassad


    m'eh, live by it..., 72 virgins, etc.

    thought story might be about innocents.



    ...not that they'd ever do that.

    But how can you be sure they were fighters who posed a threat to Great Britain? The same lazy argument was used to detain for years the "worst of the worst" in Guantanamo Bay.....not one of whom has been charged. Just banged up and someone who ratted them out got 5 grand for "information" .... A King's ransom in Afghanistan.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Massimo Cassagrande


    The definition of "British" seems to have strayed a bit. I hope the definition of "Irish" doesn't stray too far as well. It probably will though.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    But how can you be sure they were fighters who posed a threat to Great Britain? The same lazy argument was used to detain for years the "worst of the worst" in Guantanamo Bay.....not one of whom has been charged. Just banged up and someone who ratted them out got 5 grand for "information" .... A King's ransom in Afghanistan.

    They may not have been a direct threat, but being a member of IS in a warzone still makes them a legitmate target.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    The definition of "British" seems to have strayed a bit. I hope the definition of "Irish" doesn't stray too far as well. It probably will though.


    ????????


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,410 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    The definition of "British" seems to have strayed a bit. I hope the definition of "Irish" doesn't stray too far as well. It probably will though.

    It's already strayed a fair bit... there's 40 million of us in the US apparently


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,951 ✭✭✭frostyjacks


    Surprised Cameron has to defend himself over this, seems perfectly reasonable way to deal with these barbarians. Hopefully it deters others from following in their footsteps.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭asherbassad


    Gatling wrote: »
    Makes great viewing then show the video/s of others in schools and mosques and show how the game ends

    Makes great viewing?

    How bloodthirsty are you?
    You have no idea, nor do you have any interest in whether or not these people were murdered. You have no interest as to whether or not it was a mistake. Even if it WAS a mistake and they were not in fact the killers or decapitators that you so want them to be, you still won't even question a killing. How it must be so cold in your book of judgement.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    ISIS are just plain dumb, will implode on themselves.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 25,410 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    Surprised Cameron has to defend himself over this, seems perfectly reasonable way to deal with these barbarians. Hopefully it deters others from following in their footsteps.

    I don't think anyone other than the OP is complaining about it, and their motive isn't all that clear if their other posts on the issue are anything to go by

    btw - http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worldnews/europe/11848150/Refugee-crisis-Syria-and-foreign-aid-budget-David-Cameron-in-Parliament-live.html


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭asherbassad


    Nodin wrote: »
    They may not have been a direct threat, but being a member of IS in a warzone still makes them a legitmate target.

    And how do you know or prove that they were "members of ISIS"? How can you know that anymore than a 14 year old boy lifted from the streets of Lahore or Islamabad and shackled in Gitmo for a decade was a "member" of Al Qaeda? Kind of makes a mockery of it all doesn't it?
    Does ISIS have a membership club coupled with id cards? Did these guys announce their "membership" before they were killed? Surely if there is a membership then the great GCHQ ought to know, no?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    And how do you know or prove that they were "members of ISIS"? How can you know that anymore than a 14 year old boy lifted from the streets of Lahore or Islamabad and shackled in Gitmo for a decade was a "member" of Al Qaeda? Kind of makes a mockery of it all doesn't it?
    Does ISIS have a membership club coupled with id cards? Did these guys announce their "membership" before they were killed? Surely if there is a membership then the great GCHQ ought to know, no?

    Probably being in a group that has been confirmed as ISIL members. As you don't generally get to keep breathing in their presence if you are not a member.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,906 ✭✭✭Streetwalker


    ISIS are just plain dumb, will implode on themselves.

    Evil yes but dumb I don't think so.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 24,461 ✭✭✭✭darkpagandeath


    Evil yes but dumb I don't think so.

    Aye lots of very educated leaders and ground troops their not all from mud huts.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 626 ✭✭✭Massimo Cassagrande


    Nodin wrote: »
    ????????

    Yes, yes you do. Generally. So many questions, so little clue.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 21,046 ✭✭✭✭cnocbui


    Do you know the definition of the word treason?

    Planning and intending to engage in acts intended to kill large numbers of your fellow citizens at the behest and encouragement of a hostile foreign entity would probably be a pretty good fit.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 1,005 ✭✭✭Letree


    snubbleste wrote: »
    The UK is not involved in Syria, UK parliament never authorised military in Syria.
    It's an extra-judicial killing of two citizens in the sovereign territory of another country.

    More of the same please. Kill the jihadi's wherever they may find them.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 22,435 ✭✭✭✭endacl


    They got two? Ah well. Tús maith is leath na hoibre.

    They should have a special drone With Mohammad Emwazi's name on it.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭asherbassad


    Gatling wrote: »
    Assad is a terrorist who's been massacring his own people .
    Isis are terrorists mostly Iraqis and mainly former Saddam loyalists .
    With a heavy dose of foreign fighters from elsewhere.
    Isis aren't the opposition in syria they control supply lines and some areas near the Iraq border .
    You have the free Syrian army pretty well known but more splintered forces than a decent standing army .
    And then you have various Islamic groups scattered around syria fighting for control of small areas .
    Things get more complicated when you have iranian forces fighting in Iraq who in turn are funding the war in Yemen who Saudi and other arab coalitions forces are fighting who are also trying to fight Isis .
    Step back? assad is supplying Isis in Iraq with electricity,
    Who in turn are supplying assad with crude oil ,
    Now Russia can install air defence systems in syria that can easily target aircraft inside of Iraq who's should be worried US ,UK and Arab coalition aircraft.
    Also possible to target isrealie aircraft too but they won't sit back and allow that to happen .
    As I said it's a total cluster**** of a situation.

    You seem to be making it up as you go along, Gatling. Wasn't ISIS/ISIL/IS the gang who were unleashed in Libya at the behest of NATO to turn the place into a cauldron of death? They then took to Iraq where they were called extremists but also to Syria where the were called "moderates". They have filmed themselves cutting open and eating the organs of Syrian state soldiers and still you try to state that these lunatics, funded by Qatar and Saudi Arabia are not baddies. You claim to know who the real freedom fighters in Syria are. When the Brits incinerate a few of them, you clap and call the victims terrorists, yet were Assad or the Russians to do the same thing you call them tyrants. You state that Assad is a terrorist who is massacring his own people...do you have any source or context for such a claim? I, and I'm sure many others, would like to know about these "massacres". When did they happen? A source would be greatly appreciated.

    While you're at it, a little insight into those 12 "opposition" groups in Syria that you know so much about would be appreciated too.

    Thanks in advance.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    Makes great viewing?

    You have no idea, nor do you have any interest in whether or not these people were murdered. You have no interest as to whether or not it was a mistake..

    They weren't murdered this were scum of the earth who went of to butcher babies ,mothers ,grandmothers ,grandfather's ,men of all ages from boys up in the name of a perverted version Islam .
    I've seen some bleeding heart liberals on here but this is special kind of bleeding heart.

    Love the user name by the my assad


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭asherbassad


    cnocbui wrote: »
    Planning and intending to engage in acts intended to kill large numbers of your fellow citizens at the behest and encouragement of a hostile foreign entity would probably be a pretty good fit.

    No, that's not a good fit at all. And it doesn't come close to the definition of treason.


  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 40,291 ✭✭✭✭Gatling


    . You state that Assad is a terrorist who is massacring his own people...do you have any source or context for such a claim? I, and I'm sure many others, would like to know about these "massacres". When did they happen


    Thanks in advance.

    That's like special I mean like super kinda special


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,869 ✭✭✭asherbassad


    Gatling wrote: »
    They weren't murdered this were scum of the earth who went of to butcher babies ,mothers ,grandmothers ,grandfather's ,men of all ages from boys up in the name of a perverted version Islam .
    I've seen some bleeding heart liberals on here but this is special kind of bleeding heart.

    Love the user name by the my assad

    Are you going to provide any insight into the 12 opposition groups in Syria? Are you going to provide any insight into the men, women, children,etc. that you claim to know these guys killed? And finally are you going to shed any light onto the massacres that you claim Assad has perpetrated? A simple yes or no would suffice.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,770 ✭✭✭The Randy Riverbeast


    And how do you know or prove that they were "members of ISIS"? How can you know that anymore than a 14 year old boy lifted from the streets of Lahore or Islamabad and shackled in Gitmo for a decade was a "member" of Al Qaeda? Kind of makes a mockery of it all doesn't it?
    Does ISIS have a membership club coupled with id cards? Did these guys announce their "membership" before they were killed? Surely if there is a membership then the great GCHQ ought to know, no?

    Werent these guys in a recruitment video for ISIS? I suppose they could have just been paid actors.


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  • Registered Users, Registered Users 2 Posts: 4,082 ✭✭✭sheesh


    If he survived the war he might want to come back to western europe where it would be illegal to kill him.

    If I ever go mad and go off and take part in some foreign war that has not much to do with me I hope the Irish government has the decency to go out there and kill me.


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