UK forces kill own citizens in Syria

Nodin

snubbleste wrote: »

http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/07/uk-forces-airstrike-killed-isis-briton-reyaad-khan-syria
Is this state-sanctioned death penalty without trial? Extra-judicial murder by a western democracy?
It strikes me as completely wrong, no matter what the individuals did.
Where do you draw the line?

If they did a drone strike on a bed-sit in Cardiff, maybe. However he was out in the field with the lads, armed and rarin to go. There's not much you can do there except deal with the problem in front of you.

My name is URL

hatrickpatrick wrote: »

the West should be fighting against him as well,

The West fighting against Assad is in no small part the reason for the current clusterfcuk in Syria.

petrolcan

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

It is a fact that there are Islamic extremists living in Britain

A fact so blindingly obvious the easiest source is: 'Google'

So it was, in reality, a swipe at residents of Bradford and Tower Hamlets.

Bravo.

petrolcan

moc moc a moc wrote: »

I don't think you quite get how After Hours works.

Racist!

Gatling

My name is URL wrote: »

The West fighting against Assad is in no small part the reason for the current clusterfcuk in Syria.

Fighting assad who now has Russian troops and fighter aircraft fighting for him.

But as for the current topic ,


Rightous kill.

Wonder if they will release the kill cam

Pac1Man

Sigh. Opening posts like in this thread irritate me.

Nodin

Gatling wrote: »

Fighting assad who now has Russian troops and fighter aircraft fighting for him.

But as for the current topic ,


Rightous kill.

Wonder if they will release the kill cam

Why? Will it make them any deader?

Gatling

Nodin wrote: »

Why? Will it make them any deader?

Makes great viewing then show the video/s of others in schools and mosques and show how the game ends

My name is URL

Gatling wrote: »

Fighting assad who now has Russian troops and fighter aircraft fighting for him.

What's your point?

asherbassad

The Randy Riverbeast wrote: »

If they are part of a war and on the enemies side then the fact they are British, Irish or Syrian doesnt matter.

They were killed in combat.

Is Britain at war against the persons or their affiliation? When was the declaration? And do Geneva conventions apply? You can't have it both ways. You can't determine that the victims are enemy fighters but then ignore the stipulations that go with that determination.

Gatling

My name is URL wrote: »

What's your point?

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Notorious97

Why does anyone actually care? Anyone who runs off to join this lot deserves what they get. I say kill em all and let God sort them out since they figure it is their destiny.

No sympathy for any ISIS fighter being killed, the suffering they are inflicting on millions is shocking. They need to be hunted down and killed, why bother putting them on trial and wasting any nations taxes on prison care for them.

Hans Bricks

Any self respecting British citizen would be glad their government shows complete disregard to the political status of these loyal "citizens".

asherbassad

Cosmo K wrote: »

I draw the line at....traveling to a foreign country to join a bunch of religious extremists, who like to cut other people's heads off.

He had it coming....

Why does the method of killing cause you to change your rationale. That's a bit cowardly, no?

Gatling

Hans Bricks wrote: »

Any self respecting British citizen would be glad their government shows complete disregard to the political status of these loyal "citizens".

Funny how the Geneva convention all ways pops up when dealing with terrorists though

SEPT 23 1989

these sad pair of b@stards are no loss

hopefully there will be plenty more

BoJack Horseman

petrolcan wrote: »

So it was, in reality, a swipe at residents of Bradford and Tower Hamlets.

Medical science should investigate whether a bleeding heart starves oxygen to the rational parts of the brain......


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My name is URL

Gatling wrote: »

Fighting assad who now has Russian troops and fighter aircraft fighting for him.

My name is URL wrote: »

What's your point?

Gatling wrote: »

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If you feel like responding in a manner not befitting a 6 year old, I'd still love to hear what point you were making.

Little CuChulainn

snubbleste wrote: »

Is this state-sanctioned death penalty without trial?

Yes

snubbleste wrote: »

Extra-judicial murder by a western democracy?

No.

snubbleste wrote: »

It strikes me as completely wrong, no matter what the individuals did.

No.

snubbleste wrote: »

Where do you draw the line?

Genocide, mass rape, televised executions and torture.

Gatling

My name is URL wrote: »

If you feel like responding in a manner not befitting a 6 year old, I'd still love to hear what point you were making.

Well see America the uk and arab coalition can't fight Isis who in turn are selling oil to the assad regime while russia are actively fighting a the assad regimes civil war on his behalf .
We have a cluster **** that's got alot more complicated lately .
Wonder if isreal will take issue with Russia getting involved now and decide remove assad

BoJack Horseman

Gatling wrote: »

Wonder if isreal will take issue with Russia getting involved now and decide remove assad

I doubt it, their attitude has been 'wait & see'.

My name is URL

Gatling wrote: »

Well see America the uk and arab coalition can't fight Isis who in turn are selling oil to the assad regime while russia are actively fighting a the assad regimes civil war on his behalf .
We have a cluster **** that's got alot more complicated lately .
Wonder if isreal will take issue with Russia getting involved now and decide remove assad

If Arab states were selling oil to Assad's regime, they wouldn't need to go looking for it elsewhere through shady middle men.

The reason Arab states won't sell to Assad is because they are supporting dissenters, including ISIS

It's funny how you can say that the US can't do this and that for whatever reason, yet they can continue to deal with countries which are known to be indirectly funding ISIS.

At least Russia are actually doing something and tackling ISIS head on rather than worrying about what market forces they might upset by doing so.

asherbassad

Gatling wrote: »

Funny how the Geneva convention all ways pops up when dealing with terrorists though

But Gatling, in another thread you referred to them as opposition forces. You claimed there were 12 disparate groups though you couldn't say much more than that. You seemed to take the stance that they had the right to fight the government in Damascus. Yet in this thread you are referring to them as terrorists. So which is it and should they be fought or supported?

Gatling

My name is URL wrote: »

If Arab states were selling oil to Assad's regime, they wouldn't need to go looking for it elsewhere through shady middle men.

The reason Arab states won't sell to Assad is because they are supporting dissenters, including ISIS

It's funny how you can say that the US can't do this and that for whatever reason, yet they can continue to deal with countries which are known to be indirectly funding ISIS.

At least Russia are actually doing something and tackling ISIS head on rather than worrying about what market forces they might upset by doing so.

If you think Russia is fighting Isis head on your be fair wide of the mark Russia see's arms sales and nothing else.
There troops are only there to protect assad and nothing else .

Nodin

Gatling wrote: »

Makes great viewing then show the video/s of others in schools and mosques and show how the game ends

So you want to send a martyrdom video round schools and mosques. Or maybe add a monologue so its a bit of a gloat. Grand idea, sure what could go wrong.

My name is URL

Gatling wrote: »

If you think Russia is fighting Isis head on your be fair wide of the mark Russia see's arms sales and nothing else.
There troops are only there to protect assad and nothing else .

Any sources for any of that or is it just speculation?

ISIS are already known to be active in Russia and have an ongoing recruitment operation in the country, and 2000+ people have left Russia to fight alongside ISIS

If you think all Russia cares about is selling arms in this case then you're the one being naive. The risk of ISIS spreading into Russia is far greater than any benefit there might be from selling arms to Assad in the short term.

Gatling

asherbassad wrote: »

But Gatling, in another thread you referred to them as opposition forces. You claimed there were 12 disparate groups though you couldn't say much more than that. You seemed to take the stance that they had the right to fight the government in Damascus. Yet in this thread you are referring to them as terrorists. So which is it and should they be fought or supported?

Assad is a terrorist who's been massacring his own people .
Isis are terrorists mostly Iraqis and mainly former Saddam loyalists .
With a heavy dose of foreign fighters from elsewhere.
Isis aren't the opposition in syria they control supply lines and some areas near the Iraq border .
You have the free Syrian army pretty well known but more splintered forces than a decent standing army .
And then you have various Islamic groups scattered around syria fighting for control of small areas .
Things get more complicated when you have iranian forces fighting in Iraq who in turn are funding the war in Yemen who Saudi and other arab coalitions forces are fighting who are also trying to fight Isis .
Step back? assad is supplying Isis in Iraq with electricity,
Who in turn are supplying assad with crude oil ,
Now Russia can install air defence systems in syria that can easily target aircraft inside of Iraq who's should be worried US ,UK and Arab coalition aircraft.
Also possible to target isrealie aircraft too but they won't sit back and allow that to happen .
As I said it's a total cluster**** of a situation.

asherbassad

Old Jakey wrote: »

They were traitors to Britain and got what they deserved.

Do you know the definition of the word treason?

hatrickpatrick

jobbridge4life wrote: »

ISIS are fighting against Assad. Should we support them?

In their fight against Assad? Yes. In anything else? No.

It's possible to fight against Assad along side IS without actually funding, weaponising, or helping IS in any way. But to suggest that because Assad is an enemy of IS, we should punish people fighting against Assad, is madness. The guy is an evil despot and should not receive one shred of protection or support from the West.

BlaasForRafa

Two dead terrorists, what's the problem?