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UK forces kill own citizens in Syria

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  • 07-09-2015 4:51pm
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    snubbleste
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    The British government authorised a drone attack on Reyaad Khan, a 21-year-old from Cardiff. Two other Isis fighters were killed in the attack on the Syrian city of Raqqa on 21 August. One of them, Ruhul Amin, was also British.“It was necessary and proportionate for the individual self-defence of the UK,” says PM Cameron
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/07/uk-forces-airstrike-killed-isis-briton-reyaad-khan-syria
    Is this state-sanctioned death penalty without trial? Extra-judicial murder by a western democracy?
    It strikes me as completely wrong, no matter what the individuals did.
    Where do you draw the line?


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    The Randy Riverbeast
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    If they are part of a war and on the enemies side then the fact they are British, Irish or Syrian doesnt matter.

    They were killed in combat.


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    Cosmo K
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    snubbleste wrote: »

    Where do you draw the line?


    I draw the line at....traveling to a foreign country to join a bunch of religious extremists, who like to cut other people's heads off.

    He had it coming....


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    snubbleste
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    The UK is not at war, though.
    This is the same as the KGB murdering a Russian citizen in London.


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    The Backwards Man
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    snubbleste wrote: »
    The UK is not at war, though.
    This is the same as the KGB murdering a Russian citizen in London.

    It most definitely is not.


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    Maximus Alexander
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    If we are cool with then bombing Syrians for doing terror, then we should also be cool with them bombing their British buddies for also doing the same terror.


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    justchecked
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    m'eh, live by it..., 72 virgins, etc.

    thought story might be about innocents.



    ...not that they'd ever do that.


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    barry181091
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    snubbleste wrote: »
    The UK is not at war, though.
    This is the same as the KGB murdering a Russian citizen in London.

    Yeah, it's not at all. These are just lunatics (Albeit, UK-born lunatics) going to fight with other lunatics.

    Like when you have a rat problem. Do you care that they are Irish rats when killing them?


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    dodderangler
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    3 down only couple of thousand left to go.
    Fcuk em. Sooner they're all gone the better


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    Eugene Norman
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    This surely does bring in legal issues though. It has no moral implications for me ( except that this very same government is culpable in the destruction of Syria) but legally this is an act of war or an extra judicial execution.


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    snubbleste
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    The UK is not involved in Syria, UK parliament never authorised military in Syria.
    It's an extra-judicial killing of two citizens in the sovereign territory of another country.


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    RobertKK
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    This is nothing new, sure lovely cuddly Obama - most overrated president of the US ever, has also given orders to kill US citizens abroad.


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    Saipanne
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    It's a shame the death toll wasn't higher.


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    Eugene Norman
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    RobertKK wrote: »
    This is nothing new, sure lovely cuddly Obama - most overrated president of the US ever, has also given orders to kill US citizens abroad.

    He's effectively at war with 5 or 6 nations.


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    BoJack Horseman
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    If Britain wanted to bomb British Islamic extremists, it would be quicker to bomb Bradford & Tower Hamlets.

    Less flying time needed.


    I don't think taking out a British jihadi abroad is illegal, but it seems a grey area.


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    custard gannet
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    snubbleste wrote: »
    http://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/2015/sep/07/uk-forces-airstrike-killed-isis-briton-reyaad-khan-syria
    Is this state-sanctioned death penalty without trial? Extra-judicial murder by a western democracy?
    It strikes me as completely wrong, no matter what the individuals did.
    Where do you draw the line?

    Given that the promise to withdraw the citizenship of Irish nationals found to be fighting over there was the usual load of populist pandering guff that Fine Gael had no intention of following through I wish we would send an army rangers unit out there to kill off the 30 or so passport holders apparently over there. If nothing else it would rustle the jimmies of the Halawa fanboys on boards.


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    petrolcan
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    They went to join ISIS. The reality is they should've expected it. In fact, I'd support more of these drone strikes if it stops just one person going out there.


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    petrolcan
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    BoJack Horseman wrote: »
    If Britain wanted to bomb British Islamic extremists, it would be quicker to bomb Bradford & Tower Hamlets.

    Less flying time needed.

    If that is fact can you cite a source please?

    If that's meant to be a joke, it was in poor taste.


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    BoJack Horseman
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    petrolcan wrote: »
    If that is fact can you cite a source please.

    It is a fact that there are Islamic extremists living in Britain

    A fact so blindingly obvious the easiest source is: 'Google'


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    jobbridge4life
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    THese individuals had renounced their citizenship. There death is on their own hands, as is the blood of all Isis's victims. Its sad that two youths had to end up like this however, it isn't remotely sad that they were killed.


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    moc moc a moc
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    petrolcan wrote: »
    If that is fact can you cite a source please?

    I don't think you quite get how After Hours works.


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    Old Jakey
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    They were traitors to Britain and got what they deserved.


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    jaykay74
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    petrolcan wrote: »
    If that is fact can you cite a source please?

    If that's meant to be a joke, it was in poor taste.

    Think its more that a lot of his posts have a racist tone to them. He is not a racist obviously though to be clear.


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    Saipanne
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    jobbridge4life wrote: »
    There death is on their own hands.

    That's a hell of a sentence.


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    Saipanne
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    jaykay74 wrote: »
    Think its more that a lot of his posts have a racist tone to them. He is not a racist obviously though to be clear.

    Yes, he clearly hates the race of Islam. The only race you can convert to.


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    jaykay74
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    Saipanne wrote: »
    Yes, he clearly hates the race of Islam. The only race you can convert to.

    Oh you thought I was referring to a specific post. Okay.


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    jobbridge4life
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    Saipanne wrote: »
    That's a hell of a sentence.

    While not the finest English sentence ever written I am quite confident the meaning was clear to you, at the very least it ought to have been.


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    Saipanne
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    jaykay74 wrote: »
    Oh you thought I was referring to a specific post. Okay.

    I didn't realise you were talking to yourself.

    Carry on.


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    RayCon
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    fcuk 'em.


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    hatrickpatrick
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    It depends whether Cameron is telling the truth. If they were planning attacks against Britain, then it's somewhat justifiable. If they were fighting against Assad, then it's entirely unjustifiable - the West should be fighting against him as well, same as the God-awful military junta in Egypt, rather than arming them. The majority of the people in both countries have decided that they do not want either of those regimes ruling them.


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    jobbridge4life
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    hatrickpatrick wrote: »
    It depends whether Cameron is telling the truth. If they were planning attacks against Britain, then it's somewhat justifiable. If they were fighting against Assad, then it's entirely unjustifiable -

    ISIS are fighting against Assad. Should we support them?


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