Galway GAA discussion thread

threeball · 07-09-2015 11:02AM

Unfortunately we succumbed to the same issue today as many others who have faced KK have over the years. We lost to a reputation. We had KK on the rack and with 3 terrible refereeing decisions after half time that drew KK level we lost our composure.

We continually dropped puck outs onto the KK half back line which we were obviously losing the majority off and never changed it. We panicked when we won ball in defence and drove it straight down the field to no one in particular but in fairness our forwards had stopped moving completely and for some reason all 6 had set up camp inside the KK 45.

We needed to drop our half forward line deeper and create space between the FF and HF lines but we never did it and while the management would find it difficult to get messages to the entire backline they should have been able to stop Callanan delivering the same puck out and got him to vary and should have been able to get the half forward line to vary their position.
KK were there for that taking yesterday but a second half performance like that wouldn't deliver and all Ireland against any team.

It was however very disappointing to see the Galway "fans" stream for the exit with 5 mins left. Its very disrespectful to a team who put in a huge effort and some great performances this year. Its the kind of thing that would make me wonder why you would bother playing for a county who's fans show up for the semi and the final and bitch, moan and abandon ship when we lose

danganabu · 07-09-2015 11:15AM

threeball wrote: »

It was however very disappointing to see the Galway "fans" stream for the exit with 5 mins left. Its very disrespectful to a team who put in a huge effort and some great performances this year. Its the kind of thing that would make me wonder why you would bother playing for a county who's fans show up for the semi and the final and bitch, moan and abandon ship when we lose

Unfortunately its not exclusive to Galway and happens in every county, my own included, I have to laugh at the sense of entitlement of some supporters and their fickle treatment of players who put on hold their lives to play an amatuer game.

People on here, and I know they are hurting, have calimed that somme of the players second half performance was a 'disgarace' well tbh the only disgace is that kind of attitude.

dastardly00 · 07-09-2015 11:20AM

gilberto_eire wrote: »

A pure embarrassment.

To be winning by 3 and basically score 4 in the second half?.
They should honestly be ashamed and anyone not in it for Galway should head off.

Some of those KK scores in the second half were just dreadful.

I'm packing in my attendance after that, going consistently for 10years and I'm fed up of it after that.. Wouldn't mind a committed loss but that was a complete capitulation.
I'll watch on TV anymore.

That post is an embarrassment.

Fair enough, emotions are running wild straight after the game, but to state that the Galway players should be 'ashamed' is downright ignorant and vile.

Galway, or any county for that matter, don't need supporters who think like that.

rebel girl 15 · 07-09-2015 11:21AM

Lads, cut the personal attacks out, discuss the points made, but no more of the personal attacks

threeball · 07-09-2015 11:38AM

danganabu wrote: »

Unfortunately its not exclusive to Galway and happens in every county, my own included, I have to laugh at the sense of entitlement of some supporters and their fickle treatment of players who put on hold their lives to play an amatuer game.

People on here, and I know they are hurting, have calimed that somme of the players second half performance was a 'disgarace' well tbh the only disgace is that kind of attitude.

Unfortunately we probably have the worst record of any county for following our teams until something is at stake then we're all over it like a rash, then gone again as soon as we falter. I'm not surprised our teams are described as being flakey when our supporters are twice as flakey.

wonga77 · 07-09-2015 01:23PM

Im not sure how it looked on tv but I thought that the ref was very hard on Galway in the second half, probably because he knew he made a mess of the incident just before HT when Galway should have been reduced to 14.
It was clearly a game of 2 halves as kk werent at the races at all in the first half and vice versa in the 2nd half, when all is said and done about the game, the big difference was that Kilkenny are so clinical, once they are inside scoring distance they rarely mess up, Galway had poor wides in both halves, the kind of scores that KK woud have nailed and that was the difference.
The minor game was excellent, the crowd really got behind the team and the players responded, some very nice players there that hopefully make the breakthrough

Baggy Trousers · 07-09-2015 01:39PM

I actually think we would have been better off with Coen sent off (it was a sending off tackle). The ref wouldn't have been so 'impartial' after that and maybe would have given Galway some leeway given KK's ferocious tackling. I think it might have lifted the Galway team and fans.

Kennedy was sent off in the 28th minute of the 2005 semifinal but we outscored KK for the rest of the match.

basillarkin · 07-09-2015 01:54PM

The ref was not the winning and losing of the game for galway, sounds like sour grapes to me. Best team won.

threeball · 07-09-2015 02:11PM

basillarkin wrote: »

The ref was not the winning and losing of the game for galway, sounds like sour grapes to me. Best team won.

He wasn't the winning and losing of the game but whenever anyone comments on a ref the sour grapes comment comes up. The fact remains that refs can be very biased in decisions in games and it deserves to be discussed. Owens was absolutely chronic for 15mins after halftime yesterday. When Galway were 3 points clear and Donnellan was clearly fouled 30m from the KK goal he let it go and KK scored. There was 3 other very favourable calls for KK in this period which brought KK to a point ahead within 10mins of the restart. He also refused to go to Hawkeye for the Canning point which most thought in but did go for the TJ Reid effort. Galway were poor for the 2nd half but the ref needs to remain impartial in a game and Owens proved less than impartial.

wonga77 · 07-09-2015 02:27PM

I dont understand why he didnt use hawkeye for the canning attempt, surely if there was doubt then its best to use it

threeball · 07-09-2015 02:38PM

wonga77 wrote: »

I dont understand why he didnt use hawkeye for the canning attempt, surely if there was doubt then its best to use it

Ludicrous decision. He took as long refusing Canning the replay as it would have took to look at the incident. Too many refs are on a little powertrip rather than doing their best to ensure the game is controlled in as fair a way as possible. The technology is there use it. When you use it for one team but not the other then you leave yourself open to fair and justified criticism.

MfMan · 07-09-2015 02:40PM

threeball wrote: »

Ludicrous decision. He took as long refusing Canning the replay as it would have took to look at the incident. Too many refs are on a little powertrip rather than doing their best to ensure the game is controlled in as fair a way as possible. The technology is there use it. When you use it for one team but not the other then you leave yourself open to fair and justified criticism.

Hawkeye is in constant contact with refs and will alert him if there's a shot that needs to be scrutinised. As such, Canning's effort must have been wide. Players mustn't yet be fully aware of this.

dastardly00 · 07-09-2015 02:42PM

threeball wrote: »

When you use it for one team but not the other then you leave yourself open to fair and justified criticism.

Eh......... Hawkeye was used twice yesterday. Once for each team. Galway got a point in the 2nd half from the Hill-16/Cusack Stand corner (can't remember the scorer). So the argument that Owens favoured KK because he used Haweye for them and not for Galway is incorrect.

Why he didn't go to Hawkeye for Canning's attempt I don't know though.

threeball · 07-09-2015 02:43PM

MfMan wrote: »

Hawkeye is in constant contact with refs and will alert him if there's a shot that needs to be scrutinised. As such, Canning's effort must have been wide. Players mustn't yet be fully aware of this.

Most people behind the goal would disagree, the player himself was adamant and I believe the RTE panel believed it was over or should at least have been looked at. What harm would it have done?

danganabu · 07-09-2015 02:44PM

The ref was extremely generous to Galway in the first half on numerous ocassions and he seemed to favour KK in the second half, neither was in any way match defining though and of course Galway were the benefactors of the bigest error.

Re. Hawkeye, there are a number of officials in the hawkeye booth and if they see a mistake they alert the referee who is wearing a sensor, the fact that it didnt happen would be his indication that the correct decision was made.

Heraldoffreeent · 07-09-2015 02:46PM

danganabu wrote: »

The ref was extremely generous to Galway in the first half on numerous ocassions and he seemed to favour KK in the second half, neither was in any way match defining though and of course Galway were the benefactors of the bigest error.

Re. Hawkeye, there are a number of officials in the hawkeye booth and if they see a mistake they alert the referee who is wearing a sensor, the fact that it didnt happen would be his indication that the correct decision was made.

And yet, during the minor game, a point which was about three feet inside the post and obvious to everyone in Croker, was referred to Hawkeye.

threeball · 07-09-2015 02:47PM

dastardly00 wrote: »

Eh lads, Hawkeye was used twice yesterday. Once for each team. Galway got a point in the 2nd half from the Hill-16/Cusack Stand corner (can't remember the scorer). So the argument that Owens favoured KK because he used Haweye for them and not for Galway is incorrect.

Why he didn't go to Hawkeye for Canning's attempt I don't know though.

The umpire called for the Whelan one, he may well have called for the one for Reid also, I missed it but the ref should still have called the Canning one. I've seen plenty of players call it right when the officials themselves were wrong. Umpires generally take up terrible positions to make calls from rarely moving more than a couple of feet from the butt of the post.

pmasterson95 · 07-09-2015 02:49PM

threeball wrote: »

Most people behind the goal would disagree, the player himself was adamant and I believe the RTE panel believed it was over or should at least have been looked at. What harm would it have done?

You can hardly trust fans or players for neutral judgement. Both goalkeepers frantically waving arms to indicate wide for most points. The Panel also believed Coen should be gone. Was the ref favouring KK when he let us keep Coen on the pitch?

danganabu · 07-09-2015 02:51PM

Heraldoffreeent wrote: »

And yet, during the minor game, a point which was about three feet inside the post and obvious to everyone in Croker, was referred to Hawkeye.

It was comical alright, but not sure what it has to do with the Canning incidednt? The buzzer is used in situations where an incorrect decision has been made and hawkeye hasn't been called.

threeball · 07-09-2015 02:52PM

danganabu wrote: »

The ref was extremely generous to Galway in the first half on numerous ocassions and he seemed to favour KK in the second half, neither was in any way match defining though and of course Galway were the benefactors of the bigest error.

Re. Hawkeye, there are a number of officials in the hawkeye booth and if they see a mistake they alert the referee who is wearing a sensor, the fact that it didnt happen would be his indication that the correct decision was made.

Bar the Coen incident I couldn't pick out anything that Galway got soft. I'm not putting the loss down to the referee. I'm just highlighting the inconsistency in the application of the rules not only from match to match but within the same game. Referees need to become as professional as the players because they have been left miles behind as it stands.

danganabu · 07-09-2015 02:53PM

threeball wrote: »

Most people behind the goal would disagree, the player himself was adamant and I believe the RTE panel believed it was over or should at least have been looked at. What harm would it have done?

Most people behind the goal last year thought Bubbles shot was over as did the player himself, invested parties are not the greatest of judges!

threeball · 07-09-2015 02:57PM

pmasterson95 wrote: »

You can hardly trust fans or players for neutral judgement. Both goalkeepers frantically waving arms to indicate wide for most points. The Panel also believed Coen should be gone. Was the ref favouring KK when he let us keep Coen on the pitch?

Usually when you hear the crowd openly boo a decision 9 times out of 10 the ref or lineman have got it wrong. People aren't stupid and they react to the same things the ref see's. When you hear the crowd going mental over a decision its normally because 1,000 people saw something completely different than what the ref did.

threeball · 07-09-2015 02:58PM

danganabu wrote: »

Most people behind the goal last year thought Bubbles shot was over as did the player himself, invested parties are not the greatest of judges!

Yes, by inches and it went to Hawkeye. So what would have been the fuss to do the same with Cannings effort. It was obviously just as close.

Brian017 · 07-09-2015 02:58PM

A journalist said yesterday that if the umpires make the wrong decision and Hawkeye isn't called for then the person operating it alerts the ref through his earpiece. If that's true, then obviously the umpires made the correct decision and it was wide

pmasterson95 · 07-09-2015 03:01PM

threeball wrote: »

Usually when you hear the crowd openly boo a decision 9 times out of 10 the ref or lineman have got it wrong. People aren't stupid and they react to the same things the ref see's. When you hear the crowd going mental over a decision its normally because 1,000 people saw something completely different than what the ref did.

They propably saw it with rose tinted glasses. That'd be the problem. How many times do you hear a crowd going bat**** over a non penalty only for replays to show it wasnt a penalty. Doesnt stop the obviously biased fans.

Heraldoffreeent · 07-09-2015 03:03PM

danganabu wrote: »

It was comical alright, but not sure what it has to do with the Canning incidednt? The buzzer is used in situations where an incorrect decision has been made and hawkeye hasn't been called.

Just inconsistency in the use of Hawkeye really.
Personally, I don't think it would have made much of a difference had it been awarded as a point, but I was there, and I'd be fairly confident it was over.

As to the ref, I think Coen should have been red carded.

Was the ref evening things up a tad afterwards? Possibly, but I don't think he can be blamed for a shocking performance in the second half, really we were beaten by 7 points, that goal was an anomaly.

dastardly00 · 07-09-2015 03:04PM

threeball wrote: »

The umpire called for the Whelan one, he may well have called for the one for Reid also, I missed it but the ref should still have called the Canning one. I've seen plenty of players call it right when the officials themselves were wrong. Umpires generally take up terrible positions to make calls from rarely moving more than a couple of feet from the butt of the post.

So because the umpire called for Hawkeye for Whelan's point, the ref was still favouring KK because he didn't call for Hawkeye for Canning's shot?

Or is the post below now invalidated?

threeball wrote: »

When you use it for one team but not the other then you leave yourself open to fair and justified criticism.

threeball · 07-09-2015 03:04PM

Brian017 wrote: »

A journalist said yesterday that if the umpires make the wrong decision and Hawkeye isn't called for then the person operating it alerts the ref through his earpiece. If that's true, then obviously the umpires made the correct decision and it was wide

If that's true then why have there been wrong calls in Croke Park over the last few years and why don't they release an animation of the contentious calls to clear everything up. In fact why doesn't Hawkeye take over score keeping entirely?

Brian017 · 07-09-2015 03:45PM

threeball wrote: »

If that's true then why have there been wrong calls in Croke Park over the last few years and why don't they release an animation of the contentious calls to clear everything up. In fact why doesn't Hawkeye take over score keeping entirely?

I think the point he was trying to make was that it is indeed used for every score (well every point score at least) they just don't show the animation for obvious points/wides and where it agrees with the umpire's original decision and it would slow the game down quite considerable. I suspect if Hawkeye said Canning's point was over then they would've showed the animation and not just gave the point without any explanation why it was overruled.

I don't know the wrong decisions you are referring to as I don't watch every game. I know there was an incident during a minor match last year as a result of the system being calibrated for the wrong code and the wrong sized ball

citykat · 07-09-2015 03:49PM

threeball wrote: »

Bar the Coen incident I couldn't pick out anything that Galway got soft.

Burke was very lucky not to see red for pulling the helmet off Fennelly in the 14th minute.

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