Fiesta ST 1.6 Ecoboost 180bhp 6 speed.

JoeA3 · 04-09-2015 02:16PM

Jesus. wrote: »

Should you be used horsepower as a basis for comparison though? I would've thought displacement would be more appropriate. Both the Laguna and Fiesta are 1.6's

Not sure if this is a serious question. Of course BHP is a factor! I'm guessing the Laguna was 100-110 bhp at most? This is comparing apples and oranges...

bazz26 · 04-09-2015 02:36PM

Jesus. wrote: »

Should you be used horsepower as a basis for comparison though? I would've thought displacement would be more appropriate. Both the Laguna and Fiesta are 1.6's

The power to weight ratio is what is relevant, not displacement.

Jesus. · 04-09-2015 02:44PM

Yes but if you have a new 1.6 with 180bhp, if you drive it moderately (doubt that's what Henry's doing tbf) and aren't using the turbo much, shouldn't you return a better mpg than an old 1.6 with 110bph with no turbo?

dr.fuzzenstein · 04-09-2015 02:45PM

jimgoose wrote: »

'Scuse me chief - I respec'fully submit that km/l would be even more logical than that bass-ackward Continong caper!

Now you're just being ridiculous! I demand satisfaction! Dampfkraftwagen und schwere Haubitzen at dawn!

jimgoose · 04-09-2015 02:46PM

Jesus. wrote: »

Should you be used horsepower as a basis for comparison though? I would've thought displacement would be more appropriate. Both the Laguna and Fiesta are 1.6's

There is a small cosmos of factors beyond displacement which affect power, and given that power is acquired via the burning of fuel and nothing else, power output (or "state-of-tune") is extremely relevant when comparing fuel consumption figures. Fuel maps, bore-and-stroke, rev-ceiling, volumetric efficiency of valves, ports, manifolds, etc.

dr.fuzzenstein · 04-09-2015 02:46PM

Jesus. wrote: »

Yes but if you have a new 1.6 with 180bhp, if you drive it moderately (doubt that's what Henry's doing tbf) and aren't using the turbo much, shouldn't you return a better mpg than an old 1.6 with 110bph with no turbo?

Best way to find out, you buy one and report fuel consumption back to us. :P

Jesus. · 04-09-2015 02:47PM

Indeed but isn't displacement equally relevant?

jimgoose · 04-09-2015 02:48PM

dr.fuzzenstein wrote: »

Now you're just being ridiculous! I demand satisfaction! Dampfkraftwagen und schwere Haubitzen at dawn!

Today, largely for the incorrectly-spelt crack, I am driving herself's Clerget-Le Rhône Nieuport Bebe, and I am gauging the fuel efficiency by the degree of opaqueness of my flying goggles due to oil flung from the nine-cylinder rotary. I'll deal with you later when I've cleaned myself up. Allez!!

jimgoose · 04-09-2015 02:49PM

Jesus. wrote: »

Indeed but isn't displacement equally relevant?

It certainly is, but it is more useful to think in terms of specific output, i.e. BHP per-litre.

Jesus. · 04-09-2015 02:53PM

I see. So if we presume a 180bhp 1.6 will be less efficient than a 110bhp (all other variants aside for the mo) wouldn't that logic dictate that because newer engines become more powerful than their predecessors, they're also becoming less economical?

That does not compute Goose. It rather seems the opposite

jimgoose · 04-09-2015 03:01PM

Jesus. wrote: »

I see. So if we presume a 180bhp 1.6 will be less efficient than a 110bhp (all other variants aside for the mo) wouldn't that logic dictate that because newer engines become more powerful than their predecessors, they're also becoming less economical?

That does not compute Goose. It rather seems the opposite

A 180BHP 1.6 is much more efficient than a 110BHP 1.6. How could it be otherwise? The fact that the newer engines produce more power while using less fuel is symptomatic of improvements in engine management, specifically valvetrain control, fuel-and-air metering, and minimising thermal lossage. Power, efficiency and fuel economy are all facets of exactly the same thing. This truly, is the Tao. :cool:

Jesus. · 04-09-2015 03:02PM

jimgoose wrote: »

A 180BHP 1.6 is much more efficient than a 110BHP 1.6. How could it be otherwise? :cool:

But that's what I've been saying all along!

jimgoose · 04-09-2015 03:04PM

Jesus. wrote: »

But that's what I've been saying all along!

It's a little more complicated than that. Until we master infinitely-variable cam-phasing (hint: not happening yet with the implementation of Physics prevalent in this corner of the Universe), the efficiency is going to be "dialled-in" at particular rev-ranges and engine load conditions.

Jesus. · 04-09-2015 03:16PM

Ach away with ye Tao :pac:

jimgoose · 04-09-2015 03:17PM

Jesus. wrote: »

Ach away with ye Tao :pac:

To reject that part of the Buddha that attends to the fettling of old shítheaps is to miss the Buddha entirely.

Henry Ford III · 04-09-2015 05:32PM

LIGHTNING wrote:

I saw saw a blue ST focus in south Dublin on Monday, very nice in the flesh. Not too over the top but it still stands out. Henry Ford III your not a tall ginger bloke by any chance?

Thankfully not.

ofcork · 04-09-2015 05:36PM

LIGHTNING wrote: »

I saw saw a blue ST focus in south Dublin on Monday, very nice in the flesh. Not too over the top but it still stands out. Henry Ford III your not a tall ginger bloke by any chance?

Henry has the fiesta!

dr.fuzzenstein · 04-09-2015 06:48PM

Henry Ford III wrote: »

Thankfully not.

Which bit, tall or bloke?

vintagevrs · 04-09-2015 07:12PM

Is there any difference in the ST petrol/diesel other than engine? On the Ford configurator they look exactly the same. I would have thought the proper one had some unique features to it?

Thanks

Kenny Logins · 04-09-2015 08:37PM

vintagevrs wrote: »

Is there any difference in the ST petrol/diesel other than engine? On the Ford configurator they look exactly the same. I would have thought the proper one had some unique features to it?

Thanks

Diesel has a drawbar and St. Christopher visor clip.

dr.fuzzenstein · 04-09-2015 08:57PM

vintagevrs wrote: »

Is there any difference in the ST petrol/diesel other than engine? On the Ford configurator they look exactly the same. I would have thought the proper one had some unique features to it?

Thanks

Even as a diesel nut I can say that one has the correct engine and the other does not. And surprisingly I would argue it's not the diesel...

irishneo · 04-09-2015 09:23PM

thinking of trading in my 07 focus st for a fiesta st but no one has a demo model to test drive:(

CR 7 · 04-09-2015 09:36PM

Jesus. wrote: »

CR7 was that the new Mustang?

Yes. It was actually very disappointing. Not powerful enough and lacking the sound to make up for it. I'd like to compare it to the V8 at some stage, but I definitely wouldn't go spending €47k(or whatever it is) on one.

R.O.R · 04-09-2015 10:10PM

irishneo wrote: »

thinking of trading in my 07 focus st for a fiesta st but no one has a demo model to test drive:(

There must be one around, apparently it was at Mondello today, with the ST and STD Focus's.

Thought it was just vans today so didn't go, quick cars were out On the track so should have gone.

Jesus. · 04-09-2015 10:42PM

CR 7 wrote: »

Yes. It was actually very disappointing. Not powerful enough and lacking the sound to make up for it. I'd like to compare it to the V8 at some stage, but I definitely wouldn't go spending €47k(or whatever it is) on one.

That's a depressing read. I was hoping the 4-pot might make an impression at least in European eyes.

testicle · 04-09-2015 11:28PM

Henry Ford III wrote: »

p.s. I didn't buy this car for fuel economy but the trip computer shows an everage from new of 41.9mpg - which is very impressive all things considered.

I wonder what it'd be if you didn't let me have it for those few days ;-)

JoeA3 wrote: »

WTF. How is averaging 41-42 mpg in a 180bhp hot hatch "not great"?

What do you get from the R?

JoeA3 · 05-09-2015 01:05AM

testicle wrote: »

I wonder what it'd be if you didn't let me have it for those few days ;-)

What do you get from the R?

Poor average at the moment but it's far too early to judge. It's a bit like looking at the Premier league table in August. I'm averaging mid 20's. I expect it to get better, I'd be happy with high 20's, 30 ish.

sneakyST · 05-09-2015 02:05AM

I've done 21000 miles in mmy Fiesta ST since January. I've got 52 mpg on a long steady run. I think this is the first car I'm not gonna part with when I get another.

Mc Love · 05-09-2015 11:39AM

Nice few on sale in UK - looking at 17-20k for one.

notGill · 09-12-2015 08:31PM

Hey all. So I've been approved for finance on one of these little rockets today, for delivery in January. I've decided to take the plunge as I've been thinking about it for a long time and the real deal event going on gave me my excuse!

The issue is in relation to picking a colour. I have my heart set on spirit blue but.....I'm colour blind! A few people have said to me it's too bright.

What do the people of this fine forum think?

Fiesta ST 1.6 Ecoboost 180bhp 6 speed.

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