"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

Stheno · 03-09-2015 11:36PM

bubblypop wrote: »

They are looking for a life for themselves/ their family.
Is that in a crap refugee camp with hardly any provisions?

Just because other people/ countries don't care, does that mean we shouldn't?

Have you any idea what direct provision is like for asylum seekers here?

Streetwalker · 03-09-2015 11:37PM

zoe 3619 wrote: »

We are all incredibly lucky to be born in,or to live in a country that is not war torn or plagued by drought or disease.
We do not have missile strikes or ebola,and we don't have to walk miles to collect muddy water.
Its not always a question of religious beliefs or politics.just luck of the draw what country or system we are born into.
People are people all over the world.some good,some bad,some spongers.most wanting a quiet life and to see their children grow up healthy.
The develped world could do far,far more.
The entire population of the world,for instance,could fit into new Zealand.and it wouldn't be that overcrowded.

We also let women vote and walk beside us not behind us covered up.

darkpagandeath · 03-09-2015 11:37PM

bubblypop wrote: »

So **** them then?

Never mind people fleeing war, trying to keep themselves and their families safe
We are not that badly off here, they are looking for life. Not to come here and bleed the system dry!
Give them a break

How will they support themselves ? Has one a magic house and jobs tree ?

JRant · 03-09-2015 11:38PM

Stheno wrote: »

No they ended up on that boat as despite getting to safety in Turkey they were not registered as refugees for one of two reason so when their asylum application to Canada failed they took matters into their own hands and chose an illegal route, at least the parents did

They gambled and lost. Had they waited the outcome might be very different

Well they most certainly would still be alive today.

The open border policy made the gamble much more appealing for them though.

Spanish Eyes · 03-09-2015 11:38PM

R P McMurphy wrote: »

I think life jackets were paid for separately to the crossing and the family had no more money

That is so sad if it is true.

The traffickers are obviously criminal mafia whatever who don't give a damn except the money. God Almighty, why aren't they being targeted by the EU? Something does not sit right with me about that at all.

Yes let'stake them all in, but let the criminal traffickers off? Whoa.

Sadly it is getting difficult to believe the backstories sometimes.

Stheno · 03-09-2015 11:41PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

That is so sad if it is true.

The traffickers are obviously criminal mafia whatever who don't give a damn except the money. God Almighty, why aren't they being targeted by the EU? Something does not sit right with me about that at all.

Yes let'stake them all in, but let the criminal traffickers off? Whoa.

Sadly it is getting difficult to believe the backstories sometimes.

They are being targeted you repeatedly hear of arrests in tragic cases. Ironically it was four Syrians arrested in relation to this

Streetwalker · 03-09-2015 11:41PM

jon1981 wrote: »

Why is this a Europe only problem? Why are questions not being asked of the north Americas, the gulf regions , Australia. I get that they are coming to Europe but surely this is a global issue now?!

Also I watched primetime and utv Ireland tonight and the conversation was solely focused on how many refugees to distribute and where to. No discussion at all on how to address the source of the problem or the lack of help from the wealthy gulf regions... It was really frustrating me!

It's not just UTV it's every single news outlet. In then past 24hrs I haven't heard a single question asked in media circles of why the country most responsible for this mess the US has taken in only 1200 refugees since the start of the Syrian war or why the hell the UAE has done sfa.

Red21 · 03-09-2015 11:42PM

Streetwalker wrote: »

Eh what?

Streetwalker wrote: »

Eh you mightn't have noticed but we are broke.

I'm saying that what you've said here is a pointless thing to say as everyone knows what life is like here for the vast majority of people.

JRant · 03-09-2015 11:44PM

Streetwalker wrote: »

It's not just UTV it's every single news outlet. In then past 24hrs I haven't heard a single question asked in media circles of why the country most responsible for this mess the US has taken in only 1200 refugees since the start of the Syrian war or why the hell the UAE has done sfa.

To be honest they'd have a better life in Syria then going to the UAE and becoming indentured slaves.

Stheno · 03-09-2015 11:45PM

Streetwalker wrote: »

http://i.imgur.com/TDkSf7m.jpg

You could count the women and children here on one hand. What kind of man flees in fear of his families life and leaves the family behind? This is an economic invasion now. We have almost a million on the shores of Libya alone and god knows how many more on the way.

Contrary to my other posts on this thread which may seem harsh, there was an interview with a Syrian refugee here on the Matt Cooper show who took the refugee route

Once he got asylum status here he got permission to move his wife and kids here and it was aided by the red cross

He was incredibly grateful

Spanish Eyes · 03-09-2015 11:48PM

Streetwalker wrote: »

It's not just UTV it's every single news outlet. In then past 24hrs I haven't heard a single question asked in media circles of why the country most responsible for this mess the US has taken in only 1200 refugees since the start of the Syrian war or why the hell the UAE has done sfa.

I am convinced that there is an agenda here somewhere amongst the media.

Well here in Ireland we have the Immigration Times (sorry the Irish Times), in the Uk we have the Guardian.

At least in the Uk they have a counterbalance with the dreaded for some Daily Mail, but at least there is a debate and a tiny bit of balance.

Here.... nothing. All totally on message.

I find that a bit strange. Surely the media should put both (or all) sides forward?

Yeah right.

Dyr · 03-09-2015 11:51PM

My view is that NATO countries (i.e. turkey and greece) have an absolute responsibility for syrian and libyan refugees seeing that they engineered both wars

But this kids family weren't fleeing syria, they had already managed that. They were trying to get from turkey to greece (kos) which is a pretty short boat trip. That's a whole different ball game to fleeing a war zone.

Stheno · 03-09-2015 11:52PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

I am convinced that there is an agenda here somewhere amongst the media.

Well here in Ireland we have the Immigration Times (sorry the Irish Times), in the Uk we have the Guardian.

At least in the Uk they have a counterbalance with the dreaded for some Daily Mail, but at least there is a debate and a tiny bit of balance.

Here.... nothing. All totally on message.

I find that a bit strange. Surely the media should put both (or all) sides forward?

Yeah right.

It's misery porn the media love it

One life more newsworthy than the thousands who have died the same way

Spanish Eyes · 03-09-2015 11:56PM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I find it very odd he did not give the mother the life jacket that's what's stuck with me.

Well we don't know the circumstances of the problem that caused the deaths of the children and the mother, and others too it seems, all forgotten now really apart from the little child in the now iconic photo.

My problem would be (sorry) that the man got the lifejacket in the first place.

buried · 03-09-2015 11:56PM

This whole cluster**** of a situation is the sole responsibility of the combined regime's of the USA and Saudi Arabia. These two regimes need to take some responsibility for their actions over the last 10 years, especially the USA. Whatever amount of refugees Europe takes in, the US and the UK should take in double that amount. If they won't, then rip up whatever contract holds NATO together because if they don't/won't, what is the point of NATO? Why is Europe shouldering the after effects of the USA/UK's illegal invasion of Iraq and the total destabilisation of the Middle East which has turned Iraq/Syria into a borderless theatre of total extreme violence?

Stheno · 03-09-2015 11:56PM

Bambi wrote: »

My view is that NATO countries (i.e. turkey and greece) have an absolute responsibility for syrian and libyan refugees seeing that they engineered both wars

But this kids family weren't fleeing syria, they had already managed that. They were trying to get from turkey to greece (kos) which is a pretty short boat trip. That's a whole different ball game to fleeing a war zone.

This is my biggest issue with this case, they got to safety albeit one that was not optimal and rather than wait chose to take matters into their own hands

foggy_lad · 03-09-2015 11:57PM

Stheno wrote: »

Simple solution only take registered Syrian refugees from Turkey?

And the Turkish authorities will only register Syrians who possess a passport.

JRant wrote: »

They ended up on that boat because
a: some lowlife seen they could make a buck off others misery and
b: by accepting all and sundry that make it across the waters we are actively promoting this kind of behaviour.

Yes but the lowlifes were Syrians operating an illegal migrant water taxi.

Stheno wrote: »

No they ended up on that boat as despite getting to safety in Turkey they were not registered as refugees for one of two reason so when their asylum application to Canada failed they took matters into their own hands and chose an illegal route, at least the parents did

They gambled and lost. Had they waited the outcome might be very different

The Turkish would not register them because they had no passports, any genuine Syrian would surely keep their passports safe but other illegals from non asylum countries have to get rid of their passports and all documents that might give them away as economic illegals!

darkpagandeath wrote: »

I find it very odd he did not give the mother the life jacket that's what's stuck with me.

Or wrap it around his sons which may have saved them.

My opinion is that these economic illegals are getting organised and there will be a lot more violence in places like the train stations in Hungary in the near future. They will not stop until they get what they want!

mdwexford · 03-09-2015 11:58PM

Read the first five pages, giving up now.

Pretty sickening the lack of compassion and the way people have become desensitised to atrocities such as this.

How anyone can look at that picture and say they feel nothing or don't care says a lot about what is wrong.

dubscottie · 04-09-2015 12:00AM

Bambi wrote: »

My view is that NATO countries (i.e. turkey and greece) have an absolute responsibility for syrian and libyan refugees seeing that they engineered both wars

But this kids family weren't fleeing syria, they had already managed that. They were trying to get from turkey to greece (kos) which is a pretty short boat trip. That's a whole different ball game to fleeing a war zone.

Really?? Greece and Turkey.. Nope.. The only war they had was between themselves..

Spanish Eyes · 04-09-2015 12:01AM

Stheno wrote: »

They are being targeted you repeatedly hear of arrests in tragic cases. Ironically it was four Syrians arrested in relation to this

Yes, and I read somewhere that Turkey arrested them.

That is the first country I have heard of to do that.

But Turkey is not in the EU is it?

There is something rotten here alright in relation to the EU response to organised crime on the Med.

Shocking really. But why am I surprised.

BlaasForRafa · 04-09-2015 12:02AM

Streetwalker wrote: »

It's not just UTV it's every single news outlet. In then past 24hrs I haven't heard a single question asked in media circles of why the country most responsible for this mess the US has taken in only 1200 refugees since the start of the Syrian war or why the hell the UAE has done sfa.

This one case is dominating the discourse now both in the news media and on social media and it means that anyone that questions the opening of european borders to migrants is now branded a fascist and someone who obviously wants syrian migrants to die. The photos of this boy are being used to push through an agenda where illegal migrants should be allowed free access to europe despite the fact that they already had refuge and are moving for economic reasons.

Stheno · 04-09-2015 12:06AM

foggy_lad wrote: »

And the Turkish authorities will only register Syrians who possess a passport.

i.

The Turkish would not register them because they had no passports, any genuine Syrian would surely keep their passports safe but other illegals from non asylum countries have to get rid of their passports and all documents that might give them away as economic illegals!
!

Until 2011 Kurds in Syria were unable to get passports
If they did and fled to Turkey they are fine

Without a passport they can choose to register as a refugee or not

If they registered they get a one year lermitvti stay and an identity card

Sounds to me that this family never rregister

dubscottie · 04-09-2015 12:08AM

mdwexford wrote: »

Read the first five pages, giving up now.

Pretty sickening the lack of compassion and the way people have become desensitised to atrocities such as this.

How anyone can look at that picture and say they feel nothing or don't care says a lot about what is wrong.

This has being going on for yonks.. The "Oh think of the children brigade" are jumping on it now.

And they are not just coming from Syria. All over North Africa.

I don't care what people think. We cannot afford to take in thousands of "people" and give them homes, welfare, healthcare etc.

Its been in the news for a long time and only now are people giving a **** because a dead kid was in the papers.

Wake up.

No doubt some charity will have the chuggers out soon for this "crisis" and will be taking 20% of any donations..

Hagar7 · 04-09-2015 12:10AM

I read a good few replies in the Washington Post,online edition earlier.
Totally shocked by the amount of people critisising the father who lost his whole family,Jesus,I felt like screaming out loud,you had tae read the views tae believe it.

darkpagandeath · 04-09-2015 12:12AM

dubscottie wrote: »

This has being going on for yonks.. The "Oh think of the children brigade" are jumping on it now.

And they are not just coming from Syria. All over North Africa.

I don't care what people think. We cannot afford to take in thousands of "people" and give them homes, welfare, healthcare etc.

Its been in the news for a long time and only now are people giving a **** because a dead kid was in the papers.

Wake up.

No doubt some charity will have the chuggers out soon for this "crisis" and will be taking 20% of any donations..

Does one not mean 20% to the crisis.

Spanish Eyes · 04-09-2015 12:13AM

BlaasForRafa wrote: »

This one case is dominating the discourse now both in the news media and on social media and it means that anyone that questions the opening of european borders to migrants is now branded a fascist and someone who obviously wants syrian migrants to die. The photos of this boy are being used to push through an agenda where illegal migrants should be allowed free access to europe despite the fact that they already had refuge and are moving for economic reasons.

This is a staged response from those who think they know better than we do about all this.

And remember, the proponents of open borders will never have to bear any personal fallout from taking these people in. Easy for them to say.

So let us all have empathy for the genuine Syrians. I don't think anyone would have a problem with that.

It's the false applicants who say they are "genuine" that are the problem now.

Does anyone think that people traffickers only run boats in the Med?

More fool you.

foggy_lad · 04-09-2015 12:16AM

mdwexford wrote: »

Read the first five pages, giving up now.

Pretty sickening the lack of compassion and the way people have become desensitised to atrocities such as this.

How anyone can look at that picture and say they feel nothing or don't care says a lot about what is wrong.

You should try reading back from the last page.

Nobody on this thread has not been upset or affected in some way by this latest tragic deaths of a boat full of people.

What would you have us do? Should we bombard Liveline tomorrow and cry our eyes out on the air for 1 child out of the millions who have died in conflict?

These people did not die in conflict but they died because they were basically greedy and wanted more than a safe place and food and clothing which they had in Turkey.

I have the greatest respect for those who have died and those who will die in the coming months but lets be honest and call it what it is. Turkey, Libya etc pose no threat to these illegals, the only danger they bring upon themselves trying to get more.

dubscottie · 04-09-2015 12:26AM

darkpagandeath wrote: »

Does one not mean 20% to the crisis.

True

And where is Russia? The greatest country ever going by some folks here?

How many are they going to foot the bill for?

BlaasForRafa · 04-09-2015 12:30AM

foggy_lad wrote: »

These people did not die in conflict but they died because they were basically greedy and wanted more than a safe place and food and clothing which they had in Turkey.

I have the greatest respect for those who have died and those who will die in the coming months but lets be honest and call it what it is. Turkey, Libya etc pose no threat to these illegals, the only danger they bring upon themselves trying to get more.

This is the point isn't it? Children are dying in Syria right now. Probably tens of thousands have died in the last 4 years but suddenly the solution is to allow hundreds of thousands...possibly millions...to settle in the EU? Nobody is blind to the pain of the father of these kids but the wider context has to be considered rather than letting emotive arguments bulldoze discussion.

Turkey, Jordan, Saudi Arabia, UAE and Qatar have the military capability to move on Syria and end Daesh occupation there but they all are too busy playing their own angles to actually solve the problem. The Turks want to stifle any chance of Kurdish advancement, the Saudis and other arab gulf states want to screw the Shia (and Alawaite) in the region and the Jordanians are sh*****g themselves that their own people would rebel against them if they took on other Sunni muslims.

BlaasForRafa · 04-09-2015 12:32AM

dubscottie wrote: »

True

And where is Russia? The greatest country ever going by some folks here?

How many are they going to foot the bill for?

The Russians have already demolished Chechnya and decimated it's population so they probably have plenty of space now.

"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

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