"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

FortySeven · 03-09-2015 11:12PM

ComfortKid wrote: »

How long were you unemployed and at what age did you find a job?

Nice sob story and all but does that give you the right to falsely assume everyone thats unemployed doesn't want to work?

Your medel is in the post.

I was unemployed for most of my adult life due to drug addiction and alcoholism. It was my fault, no medal required. It is not a sob story, it is just my life. To me this was normality. To be honest, this little spat is adding nothing to the debate. I gave you a history to show that even those with terrible CVs can find a job, I don't feel I need to expand further. It speaks volumes in itself.

I stand by my point, if I can get a job, anyone can get a job.

Now kindly piss off and find someone else to endure your terrible grammar, spelling and pointless arguments.

Red21 · 03-09-2015 11:13PM

Streetwalker wrote: »

We have 90k on our housing waiting list here. Where are we going to house these people and should they jump up the list because they are from Syria? The simple fact is we don't have the room for them.

You can say this all day long, I hope you realise you are saying this to people who actually live here in Ireland and all that that entails.I know many on here have said kinda thing, but that in no way takes from how ridiculous a thing it is to say.

AudreyHepburn · 03-09-2015 11:13PM

Streetwalker wrote: »

Not the first time ive heard this today but surprise surprise not a single question on it from the media.

Because it's hardly relevant......the issue here is why these poor people ended up on that little boat in the first place and what can be done about the crisis.

JRant · 03-09-2015 11:13PM

bubblypop wrote: »

We are not in total agreement, in future we need to do this properly.
Ireland needs to do something, and quick.

It doesn't mean that we allow those already fleeing to die.
Jesus Christ

Never said we were.

I believe that allowing traffickers control the flow will lead to many more deaths.

Where have I stated they should be left to die?

I'll give you a hint, I haven't.

PS, it's a bit presumptuous to be signing off using that handle.

KERSPLAT! · 03-09-2015 11:14PM

ComfortKid wrote: »

How long were you unemployed and at what age did you find a job?

Nice sob story and all but does that give you the right to falsely assume everyone thats unemployed doesn't want to work?

Your medel is in the post.

MOD

Give the patronising bullsh!t a rest.

03-09-2015 11:15PM

Streetwalker wrote: »

Eh you mightn't have noticed but we are broke. Again I ask where will they live? In a field in November? In the mountains? Maybe a huge refugee camp in the presidents house in the park?

We are not broke.

How about all the centres we had over the last ten years just open up again?

More employment locally, if that makes it feel better for you.

Streetwalker · 03-09-2015 11:15PM

Red21 wrote: »

You can say this all day long, I hope you realise you are saying this to people who actually live here in Ireland and all that that entails.I know many on here have said kinda thing, but that in no way takes from how ridiculous a thing it is to say.

Eh what?

ComfortKid · 03-09-2015 11:18PM

FortySeven wrote:

Now kindly piss off and find someone else to endure your terrible grammar, spelling and pointless arguments.

And you piss off and spout your BS to some one more gullible. Your previous posts are there for all to see.

Spanish Eyes · 03-09-2015 11:20PM

OK, is anyone wary of false applications on the coat tails of the Syrian crisis?

I have to say I am.

But if the Government and the immigration folk allow REAL Syrian refugees in I would welcome that so much.

The fact that chancers might hang on disturbs me. As they are taking places from the real Syrian refugees.

I don't think that is an unreasonable point of view. But maybe others might.

R P McMurphy · 03-09-2015 11:20PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

God forgive me. But is there any truth in the stuff that's going around that said only the men on the boat had lifejackets.

I know that is probably an awful thing for me to say. Sorry, but it is going around in my head right now.

I think life jackets were paid for separately to the crossing and the family had no more money

KERSPLAT! · 03-09-2015 11:21PM

ComfortKid wrote: »

And you piss off and spout your BS to some one more gullible. Your previous posts are there for all to see.

MOD

Don't post in this thread again.

Everyone else, please stick to the topic or we'll be forced to close the thread, thanks.

Backpack20 · 03-09-2015 11:21PM

I've been following this thread for quite a while , I have one question . Is Europe able to deal with this ? Do you think Europe is about to collapse? is the migrant situation controllable. Serious question , no hate please !

Stheno · 03-09-2015 11:21PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Because it's hardly relevant......the issue here is why these poor people ended up on that little boat in the first place and what can be done about the crisis.

Because they chose to leave the safety of Turkey after they fled there from Syria and were experiencing difficulties in getting their Canadian asylum claim approved?

They were no worse off in Turkey than in direct provisionn here imo

David Cameron has now suggested that one solution to the problem of Syrian refugees is to provide them in Turkey with a means to get to Europe and prevent these crossings

Sounds reasonable to me

WakeUp · 03-09-2015 11:23PM

bubblypop wrote: »

Ireland needs to do something, and quick.

It doesn't mean that we allow those already fleeing to die.
Jesus Christ

what exactly does Ireland need to do. and how exactly should we control people fleeing places like Turkey so as that we dont allow something. how is that on us exactly? should you not be taking that sh1t up with the sultan and the Turks .lots of these people are feeling Turkey should we send planes to pick these people up or just pick them up on the Turkish coast. how are we allowing them to die..what does that even mean? the Turks selling these people the boats are they allowing them to die?..

The recent increase in refugees traveling through the Mediterranean Sea has prompted an unexpected boom in life jacket and inflatable boat sales in Turkey, a transit point for those who have been fleeing their homelands for a better life in European countries.

The refugee influx, however, has increased the volume of boat and life vests that are sold in the Turkish market. Boats for four people, which cost between TL 1,500 and TL 5,000, are out of stock both online and in stores, and life jackets, priced between TL 50 and TL 250, are quite hard to find.

In recent years, Turkey has become home to around 1.9 million Syrian refugees escaping the bloody civil war in their homeland. Unofficial figures speculate that the real number of refugees is around 2.5 million when unregistered migrants are included.

http://www.todayszaman.com/business_growing-refugee-traffic-boosts-life-jacket-boat-sales-in-turkey_396774.html?

NIMAN · 03-09-2015 11:23PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

OK, is anyone wary of false applications on the coat tails of the Syrian crisis?

I have to say I am.

But if the Government and the immigration folk allow REAL Syrian refugees in I would welcome that so much.

The fact that chancers might hang on disturbs me. As they are taking places from the real Syrian refugees.

I don't think that is an unreasonable point of view. But maybe others might.

I think it's safe to say that a lot of simple economic migrants will suddenly develop a terrible back story of persecution and torture, to aid their potential future life in the West

Human nature is human nature, people will lie to get on

Red21 · 03-09-2015 11:24PM

tonycascarino wrote: »

Second answer - Waiting to see how it all pans out could be far too late for Europe.

Seriously??? You honestly think that the poor and disenfranchised are going to be calling the shots at some point in the future? how could you possibly come to such an notion.
Here we gotta worry about things like, road deaths, cancer, suicide/depression etc do you honestly think that could be changing.

petrolcan · 03-09-2015 11:26PM

Backpack20 wrote: »

I've been following this thread for quite a while , I have one question . Is Europe able to deal with this ? Do you think Europe is about to collapse? is the migrant situation controllable. Serious question , no hate please !

Europe is able to deal with this but only if everyone agrees and therein lies the problem.

Europe won't collapse despite what the daily mail etc says.

Stheno · 03-09-2015 11:26PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

OK, is anyone wary of false applications on the coat tails of the Syrian crisis?

I have to say I am.

But if the Government and the immigration folk allow REAL Syrian refugees in I would welcome that so much.

The fact that chancers might hang on disturbs me. As they are taking places from the real Syrian refugees.

I don't think that is an unreasonable point of view. But maybe others might.

Simple solution only take registered Syrian refugees from Turkey?

Streetwalker · 03-09-2015 11:27PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Because it's hardly relevant......the issue here is why these poor people ended up on that little boat in the first place and what can be done about the crisis.

They ended up on the boats because the US backed,funded and armed the rebels/ISIS in an attempt to carry our regime change and the people are now fleeing these savages.

What can be done about it? Well Europe/America/UAE etc.. could contribute funding to build massive camps in Turkey and Greece for these people until we can work out how to rid Syria and Iraq of ISIS.

jon1981 · 03-09-2015 11:27PM

Why is this a Europe only problem? Why are questions not being asked of the north Americas, the gulf regions , Australia. I get that they are coming to Europe but surely this is a global issue now?!

Also I watched primetime and utv Ireland tonight and the conversation was solely focused on how many refugees to distribute and where to. No discussion at all on how to address the source of the problem or the lack of help from the wealthy gulf regions... It was really frustrating me!

FortySeven · 03-09-2015 11:29PM

Just read your post history and I can confirm you are full to the neck with BS!

Spent the tiger years buying gold that you now have in a vault in Switzerland eh?

Some of it is in a vault in Switzerland, yes. Some was traded for my house deposit. How does this make me full of bull?

Attacking the person does not nullify the argument, quite the opposite in fact.

KERSPLAT! · 03-09-2015 11:30PM

FortySeven wrote: »

Some of it is in a vault in Switzerland, yes. Some was traded for my house deposit. How does this make me full of bull?

Attacking the person does not nullify the argument, quite the opposite in fact.

MOD

Don't post in this thread again.

JRant · 03-09-2015 11:30PM

AudreyHepburn wrote: »

Because it's hardly relevant......the issue here is why these poor people ended up on that little boat in the first place and what can be done about the crisis.

They ended up on that boat because
a: some lowlife seen they could make a buck off others misery and
b: by accepting all and sundry that make it across the waters we are actively promoting this kind of behaviour.

20Cent · 03-09-2015 11:31PM

jon1981 wrote: »

Why is this a Europe only problem? Why are questions not being asked of the north Americas, the gulf regions , Australia. I get that they are coming to Europe but surely this is a global issue now?!

Also I watched primetime and utv Ireland tonight and the conversation was solely focused on how many refugees to distribute and where to. No discussion at all on how to address the source of the problem or the lack of help from the wealthy gulf regions... It was really frustrating me!

because Australia and North America are far away perhaps?

gulf regions never lift a finger to help each other.

03-09-2015 11:32PM

bubblypop wrote: »

So **** them then?

Never mind people fleeing war, trying to keep themselves and their families safe
We are not that badly off here, they are looking for life. Not to come here and bleed the system dry!
Give them a break

Why do they avoid the refugee camp in Hungary? They will be safe there.

If this is about safety and life/death, then a refugee camp will provide that. But they want to find somewhere they can get a softer and better deal, hence the insistence on going to Germany.

It is disingenuous to claim it is simply a matter of life or death.

Stheno · 03-09-2015 11:35PM

JRant wrote: »

They ended up on that boat because
a: some lowlife seen they could make a buck off others misery and
b: by accepting all and sundry that make it across the waters we are actively promoting this kind of behaviour.

No they ended up on that boat as despite getting to safety in Turkey they were not registered as refugees for one of two reason so when their asylum application to Canada failed they took matters into their own hands and chose an illegal route, at least the parents did

They gambled and lost. Had they waited the outcome might be very different

03-09-2015 11:35PM

[Deleted User] wrote: »

Why do they avoid the refugee camp in Hungary? They will be safe there.

If this is about safety and life/death, then a refugee camp will provide that. But they want to find somewhere they can get a softer and better deal, hence the insistence on going to Germany.

It is disingenuous to claim it is simply a matter of life or death.

They are looking for a life for themselves/ their family.
Is that in a crap refugee camp with hardly any provisions?

Just because other people/ countries don't care, does that mean we shouldn't?

zoe 3619 · 03-09-2015 11:36PM

We are all incredibly lucky to be born in,or to live in a country that is not war torn or plagued by drought or disease.
We do not have missile strikes or ebola,and we don't have to walk miles to collect muddy water.
Its not always a question of religious beliefs or politics.just luck of the draw what country or system we are born into.
People are people all over the world.some good,some bad,some spongers.most wanting a quiet life and to see their children grow up healthy.
The develped world could do far,far more.
The entire population of the world,for instance,could fit into new Zealand.and it wouldn't be that overcrowded.

darkpagandeath · 03-09-2015 11:36PM

Spanish Eyes wrote: »

Do you know, my head is totally melting here.

I am so sorry for that boy. But his brother and mother also died. Where are the pictures of them or any media coverage? Meh, there is something (maybe staged.... sorry and all that) about this.

His brother was five years old. His mother was their mother.

Nothing about them.

The father survived because he had a lifejacket.

Oh god, I know I am coming across as a judgemental pr!ck here, but I cannot help but think of the lad's brother and mother. A mother's instinct is to protect her brood.

How awfully sad. But we must remember the little lad's mother and brother too.

I don't recall much about them today. That's what makes me so feckin cynical about the pic on the beach. I better shut up now.

I find it very odd he did not give the mother the life jacket that's what's stuck with me.

Streetwalker · 03-09-2015 11:36PM

http://i.imgur.com/TDkSf7m.jpg

You could count the women and children here on one hand. What kind of man flees in fear of his families life and leaves the family behind? This is an economic invasion now. We have almost a million on the shores of Libya alone and god knows how many more on the way.

"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

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