"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

namloc1980 · 03-09-2015 08:13PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

In the 'distressing stakes' (if one was to rank it), an image of a child drowned can't be considered worse than a child decapitated.

It's nothing to do with the gore or lack of it. It's the situation in this case.

dubscottie · 03-09-2015 08:14PM

My name is URL wrote: »

If you think Syria isn't a dangerous place right now then you're either deluded or just an idiot

I should have said "He cannot consider it to be that dangerous a place".

And no I am not deluded or an idiot. I read the story behind the picture which you must not have done.

He himself has said they had applied for visas to Canada in June which were refused as they were not refugees. They were economic migrants.

BoJack Horseman · 03-09-2015 08:14PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Obviously yes.

Now you can get on your high horse and feel great that you knew before other people.

You may be the last person on earth aware of the Syrian civil war

JustTheOne · 03-09-2015 08:16PM

efb wrote: »

Over 6 months is long term unemployed

I heard earlier its 5 or years more?

My apologies that's what I was referring to when I said long term unemployed.

60,000 is that figure.

ComfortKid · 03-09-2015 08:17PM

I would consider over a year to be long term unemployed. There is nothing I want more in life right now than a job! Very few people dont want to work.

I should add I have an interview on Tuesday so hopefully I can climb up on that horse with you and **** on all the dolers :-)

gandalf · 03-09-2015 08:17PM

ComfortKid wrote: »

I agree there is some who don't want to work, I'm unemployed over a year now too, not for the want of trying though.

Sorry to hear that. I went 16 months before I got sorted last year. It is soul destroying. I hope you get sorted soon.

There is highly qualified people here who can't find work so I just can't see how we can create jobs for all these Syrians who probably haven't a word of English and probably never worked a day in there life.

You're making assumptions that all the Syrians are uneducated and can't speak English.

Wanderer78 · 03-09-2015 08:17PM

what was the population of syria before all this kicked off?

JustTheOne · 03-09-2015 08:18PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

You may be the last person on earth aware of the Syrian civil war

Not what I meant. I'm not explaining it anyway it was a response saying has this
picture only shocked people now even though its been going on for a while.

gandalf · 03-09-2015 08:19PM

dubscottie wrote: »

And no I am not deluded or an idiot. I read the story behind the picture which you must not have done.

He himself has said they had applied for visas to Canada in June which were refused as they were not refugees. They were economic migrants.

You needed to read a little more then. They weren't classified by the Turks as refugees probably because for some reason they don't like the Kurds. Which would also explain why they were trying to get out of Turkey.

:rolleyes:

JustTheOne · 03-09-2015 08:20PM

ComfortKid wrote: »

I would consider over a year to be long term unemployed. There is nothing I want more in life right now than a job! Very few people dont want to work.

Apologises as I said i had heard its 5 or more years. I took it wrong.

JRant · 03-09-2015 08:21PM

ComfortKid wrote: »

I agree there is some who don't want to work, I'm unemployed over a year now too, not for the want of trying though. There is highly qualified people here who can't find work so I just can't see how we can create jobs for all these Syrians who probably haven't a word of English and probably never worked a day in there life.

I agree with you regarding people finding work here difficult. However you are pretty wide of the mark on the Syrian people.

They had one of the higest literacy rates in the region before the conflict began. Most speak multiple languages, including; English and French. Their universities also produced high quality graduates. Then it all fell apart for them.

We are approaching this crisis in completely the wrong way. We are letting human traffickers dictate border policy. How anyone can think this is a good idea is beyond stupid.

My friend has been trying to get his family visas to come to Ireland from Syria. They live slap bang in the middle of the conflict. Now because he chose to come here using the correct channels and has a job the only way he can get his family here is if he has a, quite frankly, ridiculous amount of money in the bank.

He was told outright that if he was here as a refugee or his family were in the Med illegally the chances of being reunited with them would be far higher.

That's where we are at presently. Try do it the legit way and be told you've no hope. Break the law and you'll be welcomed with open arms.

It's not right and all those illegally trying to enter should be turned round and sent back so we can focus on the geniune people in need.

To do this would require some joined up thinking and unfortunately that is in very short supply amounst the EU leadership.

ComfortKid · 03-09-2015 08:21PM

gandalf wrote:

Your making assumptions that all the Syrians are uneducated and can't speak English.

No, I'm not. I said most probably can't speak English. I'd say that inm correct in assuming that.

etoughguy · 03-09-2015 08:21PM

The image of the 4 year old refugee who drowned which is all over the papers today sickens me to my core and makes me ashamed of the human race, it is one of the most disturbing things I have ever seen and I had to close my browser when I saw the headline and picture this morning and take several deep breaths.

jaykay74 · 03-09-2015 08:21PM

dubscottie wrote: »

I see the father of the kid has said he will return the bodies to the town they came from.

Cant be that dangerous a place if he is prepared to go back. Proof most of them are economic migrants not people genuinely in fear.

Some people are truly awful. I mean that sincerely.

tigerboon · 03-09-2015 08:22PM

ComfortKid wrote: »

So if Ireland is to take in a few thousand of these refugees, Where do we put them? We have a massive backlog in social housing, massive unemployment problem. Serious question, what do we do.

We build houses creating employment which gives people money to buy a house which lessens the need for social housing freeing up government money to pay for employment creation for our new Syrian friends who will then contribute to the tax take. Simple

JRant · 03-09-2015 08:24PM

tigerboon wrote: »

We build houses creating employment which gives people money to buy a house which lessens the need for social housing freeing up government money to pay for employment creation for our new Syrian friends who will then contribute to the tax take. Simple

Ah, a housing bubble. What could possibly go wrong?

AlekSmart · 03-09-2015 08:24PM

My name is URL wrote: »

That's why Ireland should act now, commit to taking in a reasonable number of refugees. Before a quota system is introduced (which I believe is inevitable) and our hand forced due to being singled out for not doing enough.

The longer the can is kicked down the road the bigger the problem is going to get. Not acting expeditiously is a mistake that's gonna come back and bite us.

Ireland has "acted"...

We have freely committed a significant amount of our Naval Service resources to the Italian controlled Operation Triton.

We have committed to taking in 1,150 of the current migrant flow,which I would suggest,is at the upper end of what this State can reasonably be expected to fund.

Remember,any State accepting the Quota numbers now being demanded by the guiltier parties in this mess is not simply taking this resonsibility temporarily.

It is,on it's Citizens behalf, making an ongoing committment over several different areas,to provide for the needs of this 1,150,with,as yet no confirmantion as to whether or not any EU,or Italian or Greek funding will be forthcoming.

Once the 1,150 have been "processed",it has become custom & practice in this country for the "Families" to arrive soon after,in this case either legally or otherwise.

Given that Mediterranian migrations long predate the present Syrian,and recent Libyan conflicts,nobody appears to be concerned at what exactly triggered this sudden,supposedly unplanned migration.

There are reasons,and many of them have little to do with Syria,or even fleeing war-zones,but are intertwined with the political aims of various sects,tribes and religions who have no concerns about piggy-backing the nasty little business models on lifeless the bodies of children in the Mediterranian.

With claimed Syrian nationality now being regarded as a sure-fire key to Europes Backdoor,why would anybody even think of being from anywhere else.

It is as if causitive factors don't matter,as long as we can be seen to "Play our Part" in responding to humanitarian crises,over and above our annual €600,000,000 in Foreign Aid paid to much of the region figuring on the list of current migrants.

namloc1980 · 03-09-2015 08:24PM

dubscottie wrote: »

I should have said "He cannot consider it to be that dangerous a place".

And no I am not deluded or an idiot. I read the story behind the picture which you must not have done.

He himself has said they had applied for visas to Canada in June which were refused as they were not refugees. They were economic migrants.

I know. What was their problem? Their town of Kobane had been under siege from ISIS with hundreds slaughtered but they should have just stuck it out. Bloody economic migrants and their complaining about a bit of war. :rolleyes:

dubscottie · 03-09-2015 08:25PM

gandalf wrote: »

You needed to read a little more then. They weren't classified by the Turks as refugees probably because for some reason they don't like the Kurds. Which would also explain why they were trying to get out of Turkey.

:rolleyes:

The were not classified by CANADA as refugees actually.. Its in the Canadian news.

BoJack Horseman · 03-09-2015 08:25PM

tigerboon wrote: »

We build houses creating employment which gives people money to buy a house which lessens the need for social housing freeing up government money to pay for employment creation for our new Syrian friends who will then contribute to the tax take. Simple

Aah.....Bertienomics 101...

It's a tad more complicated that "we build houses"...
& who is "we"?

Wanderer78 · 03-09-2015 08:25PM

tigerboon wrote: »

We build houses creating employment which gives people money to buy a house which lessens the need for social housing freeing up government money to pay for employment creation for our new Syrian friends who will then contribute to the tax take. Simple

and this is where public banking comes in

JRant · 03-09-2015 08:25PM

ComfortKid wrote: »

No, I'm not. I said most probably can't speak English. I'd say that inm correct in assuming that.

I'd suggest you are quite wrong. You know what they say about assuming anything!

ComfortKid · 03-09-2015 08:27PM

tigerboon wrote:

We build houses creating employment which gives people money to buy a house which lessens the need for social housing freeing up government money to pay for employment creation for our new Syrian friends who will then contribute to the tax take. Simple

What happens when all the houses are built?

My name is URL · 03-09-2015 08:28PM

dubscottie wrote: »

I should have said "He cannot consider it to be that dangerous a place".

And no I am not deluded or an idiot. I read the story behind the picture which you must not have done.

He himself has said they had applied for visas to Canada in June which were refused as they were not refugees. They were economic migrants.

Maybe they were economic migrants insofar as they were picking and choosing where to go, but that doesn't mean that they were not also refugees; or fleeing danger.

Anyway, to suggest that Syria must not be a dangerous place for that man based on nothing more than him returning to bury his family in their homeland; is asinine.

What choice does he even have? Did Turkey offer them a place of rest?

gandalf · 03-09-2015 08:30PM

tigerboon wrote: »

We build houses creating employment which gives people money to buy a house which lessens the need for social housing freeing up government money to pay for employment creation for our new Syrian friends who will then contribute to the tax take. Simple

We already have a load of houses that need occupants.

Bacchus · 03-09-2015 08:30PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

It is odd.

The image of the drowned boy is indeed distressing, but its also mild compared to images within Syria that the media won't touch.

I've seen pictures of decapitated children.
Corpses of kids mounted on fences as a crude crucifying.
Children's bodies in pieces from explosions or incinerated.....

Was the world just waiting for the media to show 1 image from Syria to start giving a sh*t?

I think a few things in that image set it apart and make it resonate with people more than beheadings or the like. First of all, I think the quiet and loneliness of the image is striking. That child just washed up on a beach, all alone. You can almost see in your mind what happened to that child, getting lost from his father and mother in the sea, struggling to swim and eventually drowning and washing up on a beach when he should be alive and playing on it instead. Another thing that hits home too is that because this isn't in some far away place where evil exists and atrocities are common, it feels more like a struggle us westerners could identify with (e.g. "What if that was my child"). It was an accident born of horrendous circumstances in which the parents had to risk their lives to find refuge.

foggy_lad · 03-09-2015 08:30PM

jaykay74 wrote: »

Some people are truly awful. I mean that sincerely.

Yes indeed they are! it turns out now that most of the "migrants" that were trying to leave Hungary in the last two days are not Syrian at all but a mix of Afghani, Pakistani, Indian and Iranian and not entitled to travel through Europe claiming to be fleeing terror or persecution!

Having watched the full footage of the man and woman who got onto the tracks it was awful! The man was 100% playing to the cameras and physically threw his wife and child to the ground before grabbing them and behaving like a psychopath! People like him will stop at nothing to get to Germany and get himself a BMW or Mercedes!

Wanderer78 · 03-09-2015 08:33PM

Bacchus wrote: »

I think a few things in that image set it apart and make it resonate with people more than beheadings or the like. First of all, I think the quiet and loneliness of the image is striking. That child just washed up on a beach, all alone. You can almost see in your mind what happened to that child, getting lost from his father and mother in the sea, struggling to swim and eventually drowning and washing up on a beach when he should be alive and playing on it instead. Another thing that hits home too is that because this isn't in some far away place where evil exists and atrocities are common, it feels more like a struggle us westerners could identify with (e.g. "What if that was my child"). It was an accident born of horrendous circumstances in which the parents had to risk their lives to find refuge.

thats fair enough but beheading images are still deeply disturbing. i think we re gonna be really shocked when all this is done and dusted. i think the stories we re gonna hear will be possibly be the most disturbing things to ever come from a war.

TOMs WIFE · 03-09-2015 08:33PM

AlekSmart wrote: »

Ireland has "acted"...

We have freely committed a significant amount of our Naval Service resources to the Italian controlled Operation Triton.

We have committed to taking in 1,150 of the current migrant flow,which I would suggest,is at the upper end of what this State can reasonably be expected to fund.

Remember,any State accepting the Quota numbers now being demanded by the guiltier parties in this mess is not simply taking this resonsibility temporarily.

It is,on it's Citizens behalf, making an ongoing committment over several different areas,to provide for the needs of this 1,150,with,as yet no confirmantion as to whether or not any EU,or Italian or Greek funding will be forthcoming.

Once the 1,150 have been "processed",it has become custom & practice in this country for the "Families" to arrive soon after,in this case either legally or otherwise.

Given that Mediterranian migrations long predate the present Syrian,and recent Libyan conflicts,nobody appears to be concerned at what exactly triggered this sudden,supposedly unplanned migration.

There are reasons,and many of them have little to do with Syria,or even fleeing war-zones,but are intertwined with the political aims of various sects,tribes and religions who have no concerns about piggy-backing the nasty little business models on lifeless the bodies of children in the Mediterranian.

With claimed Syrian nationality now being regarded as a sure-fire key to Europes Backdoor,why would anybody even think of being from anywhere else.

It is as if causitive factors don't matter,as long as we can be seen to "Play our Part" in responding to humanitarian crises,over and above our annual €600,000,000 in Foreign Aid paid to much of the region figuring on the list of current migrants.

A few people speaking on behalf of their countrymen this evening (from RTE). Clearly they believe they are speaking on behalf of the majority.

This evening Minister for the Environment Alan Kelly said he thinks Ireland will be taking a volume of refugees "in the thousands" in the coming years.

Mr Kelly said the matter will be discussed at Government and the country will take its fair share of refugees.

He said: "Irish people want us as a country to step up to the mark and we will... This Government is going to show leadership in order to do that. "

The Minister of State at the Department of Justice with responsibility for Direct Provision has said the Government will make an announcement in the next few days about increasing the number of refugees to be accepted into Ireland.

Aodhán Ó Ríordáin said the Department of Foreign Affairs, the Department of Defence and the Department of Justice have been working on the issue.
He said that the number of refugees will be a multiple of the 600 figure which we have already agreed to accept.

He said: "If people are asking does the Irish Government intend to work and play a lead role in this and intend to take its responsibility seriously? Yes we do."

Mr Ó Ríordáin said the numbers Ireland had committed to were not enough.
Minister of State, Kathleen Lynch also said the 600 figure was not enough. "Ireland should step up to the mark" she said.

Archbishop of Dublin Diarmud Martin has said parishes in Ireland would be willing to take in refugees.

The archbishop said it was not just a question of numbers but of "when can we start?"

Bacchus · 03-09-2015 08:42PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

thats fair enough but beheading images are still deeply disturbing. i think we re gonna be really shocked when all this is done and dusted. i think the stories we re gonna hear will be possibly be the most disturbing things to ever come from a war.

Oh yeah, totally but I think we're desensitized to that. There have been bloody beheadings, torture, war, rape and violence for years and decades. We're used to hearing about that happening in those really far away countries that we don't really need to be concerned about. Also, the recent deaths with the "migrants" around Europe were happening to "opportunistic migrants", not frightened refugees. There wasn't the widespread knowledge that these people were victims as opposed to opportunists. It's hard to paint a dead child washed up on a beach as a migrant looking for a better life in Europe which is part of why I think this image has such an impact too. There is no excuse to hide behind here. This isn't a war thousands of miles away between savages. This is a child, at our doorstep, who died frightened and alone and was tossed out by the sea, washed up on a beach like a dead animal.

"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

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