"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

gandalf · 03-09-2015 07:47PM

ComfortKid wrote: »

Who our government can't create employment for

It's not the Governments job to create jobs. It's job is to create the environment so enterprise can create jobs. To be fair to them they are doing this, just not quick enough to lower the jobless rate enough.

However there is a section of long term unemployed who really do not want to work as well. I am saying this as someone who was unemployed for around 2 years over the last six years.

JustTheOne · 03-09-2015 07:47PM

ComfortKid wrote: »

Who our government can't create employment for

Sigh seriously.

These people didn't work even during the boom.

Blame the government again for people who won't get up and get a job.

There's this sense of entitlement again which is ruining this country.

gormdubhgorm · 03-09-2015 07:47PM

eviltimeban wrote: »

http://www.huffingtonpost.co.uk/2015/09/02/haunting-picture-of-drowned-syrian-boy-in-bodrum-prompts-debate_n_8077012.html?utm_source=change_org&utm_medium=petition (Warning on the image, though the one in this link isn't as bad as the one they refer to)

It's not a political point, it's not a moral point, it's not a 'society' point.

A dead child on a beach isn't something that should happen.

I think it is more of a media point there are are plenty of wars around the world that do not get any media coverage. But if there was any similar pictures these would also result in the exact same hysteria.

BoJack Horseman · 03-09-2015 07:48PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

by the time the crisis ends.

And this is the critical line.

We need to realise we are just into the thin end of the wedge.

Sine the naval Operation: "Do the traffickers job for them" started in April, the monthly intake has exploded by 250% unjust 3 months!

European leaders are acting like this will blow over.
Germany doesn't appreciate the enormity of their carte Blanche declaration.

The ME & N Africa are in a demographic hell of vast numbers of youths, with no jobs for them.
As well as a half dozen countries riven by war.

The word is out across the world, Europe is not only open, but will carry you through the door.

This crisis has started, no end is in sight.

FortySeven · 03-09-2015 07:50PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Sigh seriously.

These people didn't work even during the boom.

Blame the government again for people who won't get up and get a job.

There's this sense of entitlement again which is ruining this country.

I think the blame is more to do with still paying these people who will not work. They should be forced with benefit reductions the longer they refuse. Put them to work digging holes and filling them up again. Break the cycle.

JustTheOne · 03-09-2015 07:51PM

FortySeven wrote: »

I think the blame is more to do with still paying these people who will not work. They should be forced with benefit reductions the longer they refuse. Put them to work digging holes and filling them up again. Break the cycle.

Ah you would have the likes of Paul Murphy and Sinn Fein crying about their human right bla bla.

petrolcan · 03-09-2015 07:52PM

cashback wrote: »

People like this make me despair for humanity. "One less to come over here." Something seriously missing in anyone who says that.

The main thing missing is knowledge.

dubscottie · 03-09-2015 07:54PM

I see the father of the kid has said he will return the bodies to the town they came from.

Cant be that dangerous a place if he is prepared to go back. Proof most of them are economic migrants not people genuinely in fear.

My name is URL · 03-09-2015 07:56PM

dubscottie wrote: »

I see the father of the kid has said he will return the bodies to the town they came from.

Cant be that dangerous a place if he is prepared to go back. Proof most of them are economic migrants not people genuinely in fear.

If you think Syria isn't a dangerous place right now then you're either deluded or just an idiot

JustTheOne · 03-09-2015 07:56PM

dubscottie wrote: »

I see the father of the kid has said he will return the bodies to the town they came from.

Cant be that dangerous a place if he is prepared to go back. Proof most of them are economic migrants not people genuinely in fear.

Proof most of them are economic migrants?

Right.

gandalf · 03-09-2015 07:57PM

dubscottie wrote: »

I see the father of the kid has said he will return the bodies to the town they came from.

Cant be that dangerous a place if he is prepared to go back. Proof most of them are economic migrants not people genuinely in fear.

You are kidding me. They were from Kobane, the frontline of the fight between the Kurds and Isis. The place is a warzone and has been the site of numerous crimes against civilians by Isis.

TBH I would say this man doesn't give a damn about his own life anymore especially after seeing his wife and kids drown. I know that I would be in pieces if my wife and son died.

Wanderer78 · 03-09-2015 07:57PM

ive been wondering all day, why has this image sparked outcry when there has been many images throughout this whole ordeal, since this war has broken out, that have been horrendous. us humans are odd.

JustTheOne · 03-09-2015 07:59PM

gandalf wrote: »

You are kidding me. They were from Kobane, the frontline of the fight between the Kurds and Isis. The place is a warzone and has been the site of numerous crimes against civilians by Isis.

TBH I would say this man doesn't give a damn about his own life anymore especially after seeing his wife and kids drown. I know that I would be in pieces if my wife and son died.

This is the attitude people have to the crisis. Ah their all just coming here for benefits.

Disgusting.

FortySeven · 03-09-2015 08:01PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

ive been wondering all day, why has this image sparked outcry when there has been many images throughout this whole ordeal, since this war has broken out, that have been horrendous. us humans are odd.

Innocence. Parental instinct.

I remember thinking all the people crying about Princess Di were loons. I understand them a bit better today. I have been a wreck since seeing that image.

efb · 03-09-2015 08:02PM

Equal rights in May, Basic Human Rights in September

Irish Praetorian · 03-09-2015 08:03PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

That was largely debunked after you posted it. it's also psychotic to link to your own stuff. It really proves bog all.

1. No it wasn't debunked or even referenced at all. 2. If people post the same empty rhetoric they can expect the same empty response.

Of course there are sectarian pressures in Syria. Like most colonial States it's an artificial construct. And the French created an allawite (Shia) aristocracy. There's resentment. Assad was handling that until the Arab spring when western, and largely U.S. backed rebels attacked government positions. The U.S. bombed Assad, but an attempt by Cameron to get Britain involved failed. That bombing encouraged the rebels. Meanwhile ISIS who grew out of the chaos of Iraq, also caused by yank imperialism, entered the fray and joined up with the U.S. supported rebels.

OK a few more factual problems here. 1. The French did not create an Alawite aristocracy, they run Syria on a divide and rule basis with seperate sub-states for various minorities, but the idea that they empowered the Alawites over the rest is absurd - the real bloom in Alawite power came after the rise of Assad Snr. by military coup. 2. 'The US Bombed Assad [...] that bombing encouraged the rebels' - the US started bombing in Syria in 2014, a full three years after the outbreak of the war. Prior to that the US provided less than lethal support and training, which is not an example of complete non-intervention, but pales in comparison to the arms shipments from Russia going to Assad or the wholesale support for the more hardline rebels coming from the Gulf States. 3. 'They shouldn't have invaded Iraq' - well, yeah duh, although to be fair if they are still going to be taking the flak for what goes on in the area fifty years after they leave (like the French apparently) then presumably they'll be able to claim credit if things start going well right?

On the side of Assad are America's enemies. Iran, Russia, Hezbollah. ISIS only became an issue for yank imperialists when they were too bloody even for psychopathic neocons. Even now the psychopaths still call Iran the biggest sponsor of "global terror" and want to bomb it to the Middle Ages which will increase the anarchy zone and encourage ISIS even more. Turkey, America's ally, is bombing the Kurds allowing Isis to advance as it is.

The Americans want to bomb Iran you say? And presumably they want to do that by making a deal on the nuclear issue and lifting sanctions? They are sneaky I will give them that...

I love the "incidental US weapons". Even now the European neo conservatives as their own continent is de stabilised produce americanised fox news talking points.

I use the phrase incidental in order to contrast it with enormous and deliberate amount of arms being supplied by the aforementioned Gulf States and Russia, which according to your interpretation of events maintain clean hands.

BoJack Horseman · 03-09-2015 08:03PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

ive been wondering all day, why has this image sparked outcry when there has been many images throughout this whole ordeal, since this war has broken out, that have been horrendous. us humans are odd.

It is odd.

The image of the drowned boy is indeed distressing, but its also mild compared to images within Syria that the media won't touch.

I've seen pictures of decapitated children.
Corpses of kids mounted on fences as a crude crucifying.
Children's bodies in pieces from explosions or incinerated.....

Was the world just waiting for the media to show 1 image from Syria to start giving a sh*t?

Icepick · 03-09-2015 08:03PM

Cienciano wrote: »

A image of what looks like a poor little 4 year old dead and the first thing you think of is to have a go at After Hours? Christ :rolleyes:

If that image doesn't affect you, you're not human.

Was this image needed to alert you to what's been going on for years?

ComfortKid · 03-09-2015 08:05PM

gandalf wrote:

However there is a section of long term unemployed who really do not want to work as well. I am saying this as someone who was unemployed for around 2 years over the last six years.

I agree there is some who don't want to work, I'm unemployed over a year now too, not for the want of trying though. There is highly qualified people here who can't find work so I just can't see how we can create jobs for all these Syrians who probably haven't a word of English and probably never worked a day in there life.

Hurtbuthealing · 03-09-2015 08:05PM

Eugene Norman wrote: »

I think we have to, morally, take in 40k or so. Over the next two years. .

What moral imperative demands that we take in any such number of largely undocumented economic migrants posing as refugees?
We have no moral obligation in this regard.

Wanderer78 · 03-09-2015 08:06PM

FortySeven wrote: »

Innocence. Parental instinct.

I remember thinking all the people crying about Princess Di were loons. I understand them a bit better today. I have been a wreck since seeing that image.

hmmm people obviously havent been searching the interweb then throughout this war. plenty of images of beheaded kids and adults from it. im wondering why the mainstream media have only started to show this stuff now. this thing's a mess with no real solutions coming to the table. that image certainly is terrible but to be honest i think i may have seen worse from it all. debatable i guess.

efb · 03-09-2015 08:06PM

ComfortKid wrote: »

I agree there is some who don't want to work, I'm unemployed over a year now too, not for the want of trying though. There is highly qualified people here who can't find work so I just can't see how we can create jobs for all these Syrians who probably haven't a word of English and probably never worked a day in there life.

Never worked a day in their life.. What's that based on?

JustTheOne · 03-09-2015 08:07PM

Icepick wrote: »

Was this image needed to alert you to what's been going on for years?

Obviously yes.

Now you can get on your high horse and feel great that you knew before other people.

ComfortKid · 03-09-2015 08:07PM

JustTheOne wrote:

These people didn't work even during the boom.

JustTheOne wrote:

Blame the government again for people who won't get up and get a job.

JustTheOne wrote:

There's this sense of entitlement again which is ruining this country.

I worked all through the boom, lost my job last summer. I feel I am entitled to a job yes. Better than thinking I'm entitled to the dole isn't it?

There is a small minority who dont want to work or pay for anything, but don't be putting me in that bracket.

namloc1980 · 03-09-2015 08:08PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

It is odd.

The image of the drowned boy is indeed distressing, but its also mild compared to images within Syria that the media won't touch.

I've seen pictures of decapitated children.
Corpses of kids mounted on fences as a crude crucifying.
Children's bodies in pieces from explosions or incinerated.....

Was the world just waiting for the media to show 1 image from Syria to start giving a sh*t?

We have become desensitised to war images to a certain extent in far away lands. However a drowned toddler on the shores of an EU state escaping a terrible war is different - it makes it more real and closer to home. I find it odd that people find that odd.

JustTheOne · 03-09-2015 08:09PM

ComfortKid wrote: »

I worked all through the boom, lost my job last summer. I feel I am entitled to a job yes. Better than thinking I'm entitled to the dole isn't it?

There is a small minority who dont want to work or pay for anything, but don't be putting me in that bracket.

If you're not long term unemployed then I didn't put you in bracket alright?

Simple:)

efb · 03-09-2015 08:11PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

If you're not long term unemployed then I didn't put you in bracket alright?

Simple:)

Over 6 months is long term unemployed

BoJack Horseman · 03-09-2015 08:11PM

namloc1980 wrote: »

We have become desensitised to war images to a certain extent in far away lands. However a drowned toddler on the shores of an EU state escaping a terrible war is different - it makes it more real and closer to home. I find it odd that people find that odd.

In the 'distressing stakes' (if one was to rank it), an image of a child drowned can't be considered worse than a child decapitated.

And the poor boy didn't wash ashore on the EU.

Wanderer78 · 03-09-2015 08:13PM

BoJack Horseman wrote: »

In the 'distressing stakes' (if one was to rank it), an image of a child drowned can't be considered worse than a child decapitated.

its all equally f*cked up if you ask me

FortySeven · 03-09-2015 08:13PM

Wanderer78 wrote: »

hmmm people obviously havent been searching the interweb then throughout this war. plenty of images of beheaded kids and adults from it. im wondering why the mainstream media have only started to show this stuff now. this thing's a mess with no real solutions coming to the table. that image certainly is terrible but to be honest i think i may have seen worse from it all. debatable i guess.

I've seen those things too. I'm very aware of what is happening globally. This is just one of those images, like the vietnamese girl running naked or the man standing in front of the tanks in Tiannemen Square. It's a game changer, just look at the response on here. It moved people, it is bleak and desolate and lonely. It's a toddler washed up on a beach while fleeing the things we all know are happening in a war zone.

They thought the worst was over I guess, it makes it so much more powerful.

"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

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