"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

JustTheOne · 03-09-2015 03:47PM

Mesrine65 wrote: »

Walk around any of the government buildings in the city before 7.30am any morning of the week & you can plainly see the amount of homeless sleeping rough.

I personally don't put much faith in 'figures', I see what I see, unlike you I don't have my blinkers on.

Of course there is.

But as I said some people refuse help and don't want to be put up in accommodation be it it might interfere with their habit.

To say the government don't care about homeless people because a few don't want to be helped is ridiculous.

Thousands are helped every day with shelter food clothes addiction help.

But no forget about all that and focus on a few people sleeping rough by choice.

JustTheOne · 03-09-2015 03:48PM

conorhal wrote: »

When there were only the resources for either/or.
Not that hard to figure out.

Let's get rid of all the foreigners taking jobs Irish people could have so?

Let's look after our own first as you put it.

JustTheOne · 03-09-2015 03:50PM

conorhal wrote: »

Yeah and every Syrian migrant is a model human being I suppose or do you imagine they arrive like modern saints on our shores?

Oh so I can reverse your analogy and say all Syrians are fleeing on ships to come and take all our money and benefits including that boy who drowned?

conorhal · 03-09-2015 03:51PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Of course there is.

But as I said some people refuse help and don't want to be put up in accommodation be it it might interfere with their habit.

To say the government don't care about homeless people because a few don't want to be helped is ridiculous.

Thousands are helped every day with shelter food clothes addiction help.

But no forget about all that and focus on a few people sleeping rough by choice.

Irony alert, so Irish homless bad (won't accept help and just put their hand out) verus migrants, good (who won't stop where help is offered and riot in Hungary demanding free gravy trains.

03-09-2015 03:53PM

conorhal wrote: »

When there were only the resources for either/or.
Not that hard to figure out.

Are you against the 600 coming here too for the same reason (it presumably is not either/or just above a certain number)?

Could you identify precisely the cutbacks it will result in in your either/or?

I mean, I'd happily pay higher taxes if it meant we could take more. Or I'd happily see less go to the bottomless pit that is banking debt. Or I'd happily see more freezes in public spending. Or less, say, arts projects and the like. Even though that would not be "looking after our own first". Because I don't believe it really is some clinical either/or, or that everything we spend or money on has more merit than spending it on foreigners fleeing a war, because it's "ours".

conorhal · 03-09-2015 03:55PM

JustTheOne wrote: »

Oh so I can reverse your analogy and say all Syrians are fleeing on ships to come and take all our money and benefits including that boy who drowned?

His parents at least. Otherwise why leave Turkey? There's plenty of asylum shopping going on or is Calais in France a figment of my imagination?

eviltimeban · 03-09-2015 03:58PM

conorhal wrote: »

His parents at least. Otherwise why leave Turkey? There's plenty of asylum shopping going on or is Calais in France a figment of my imagination?

Cos they wanted to go to Canada, where they had family. If you had family in Australia let's say, and your home situation was such that you HAD to leave, and you ended up in, I don't know, India... would you just go "oh well" and stay? Why deny them the right to go where they wanted to go?

Saying "why leave Turkey" is assuming they even want to be anywhere near Turkey. What's so great about Turkey? Cos it's a Muslim country? So what? They wanted to go somewhere they'd be welcomed and cared for by loved ones.

conorhal · 03-09-2015 04:00PM

Deleted User wrote: »

Are you against the 600 coming here too for the same reason (it presumably is not either/or just above a certain number)?

Could you identify precisely the cutbacks it will result in in your either/or?

I mean, I'd happily pay higher taxes if it meant we could take more. Or I'd happily see less go to the bottomless pit that is banking debt. Or I'd happily see more freezes in public spending. Or less, say, arts projects and the like. Even though that would not be "looking after our own first". Because I don't believe it really is some clinical either/or, or that everything we spend or money on has more merit than spending it on foreigners fleeing a war, because it's "ours".

Firstly it's not 600 migrants, that many arrived here and claimed asylum in the past two months alone. It's 600 on top of the 400 which you can add to the expected three thousand which will come anyway, then you can triple that number when family reunification rights are taken into account, and that's this year. how about next year, or are you expecting peace to break out in the Middle East by then?

I suggest you present your proposals to government, I'd be delighted if you did because the suggestion of a tax hike and public sector pay freeze might just turn the tide againt this nonsense from our civil servants.

conorhal · 03-09-2015 04:03PM

eviltimeban wrote: »

Cos they wanted to go to Canada, where they had family. If you had family in Australia let's say, and your home situation was such that you HAD to leave, and you ended up in, I don't know, India... would you just go "oh well" and stay? Why deny them the right to go where they wanted to go?

Saying "why leave Turkey" is assuming they even want to be anywhere near Turkey. What's so great about Turkey? Cos it's a Muslim country? So what? They wanted to go somewhere they'd be welcomed and cared for by loved ones.

Uh but who gives a flying where they 'want to be'? That's irrelevent.

As for family in Austrailia, I suppose I'd apply for a visa like anybody else that would like to go there and if they liked to have me I might get one. Nobody with a visa for Austrailia is entitled to bring along anybody else.

eviltimeban · 03-09-2015 04:05PM

conorhal wrote: »

Uh but who gives a flying where they 'want to be'? That's irrelevent.

Well I'm sure they do?

foggy_lad · 03-09-2015 04:05PM

eviltimeban wrote: »

Cos they wanted to go to Canada, where they had family. If you had family in Australia let's say, and your home situation was such that you HAD to leave, and you ended up in, I don't know, India... would you just go "oh well" and stay? Why deny them the right to go where they wanted to go?

Saying "why leave Turkey" is assuming they even want to be anywhere near Turkey. What's so great about Turkey? Cos it's a Muslim country? So what? They wanted to go somewhere they'd be welcomed and cared for by loved ones.

Ah thanks for clarifying the whole asylum thing for us!

Asylum seekers must now get to choose where they apply for asylum and settle down to just about free everything as well as the underground work many do in the catering meat processing and hotel/bar sectors.

So if I am from Syria and leave there and end up in a safe place like Turkey I can demand to be taken to Australia or America or wherever I might claim to have family, and of course none of my claims can be properly investigated as I have destroyed all my personal documents!

It now appears that these poor children and adults may have been killed by their own!
http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/turkish-police-detain-four-suspects-in-wake-of-drowning-1.2338712

conorhal · 03-09-2015 04:10PM

eviltimeban wrote: »

Well I'm sure they do?

Again, irrelevant. I want to be lying on beach in Hawaii drinking Mai Tai's. We don't always get what we want or feel we deserve I'm afraid.

eviltimeban · 03-09-2015 04:12PM

conorhal wrote: »

Again, irrelevant. I want to be lying on beach in Hawaii drinking Mai Tai's. We don't always get what we want or feel we deserve I'm afraid.

That's just silly.

eviltimeban · 03-09-2015 04:14PM

Fair play to Bohemians:

http://www.independent.ie/sport/soccer/league-of-ireland/refugeeswelcome-bohemians-unveil-heartwarming-mural-outside-dalymount-park-31499945.html

StonyIron · 03-09-2015 04:15PM

The whole thing is absolutely crazy and seems to be getting worse and not better.

I'm getting a bit fed up with the way the media is really only looking at the symptoms - a wave of refugees, rather than the causes and how they might be fixed.

The wars and ISIS have rendered the whole region unlivable in, that has to be fixed or this will just keep happening.

conorhal · 03-09-2015 04:17PM

eviltimeban wrote: »

That's just silly.

No more so then the suggestion that asylum seekers should get to cherry pick wherever the choose to apply for asylum, tell me how that's supposed to work please?

20Cent · 03-09-2015 04:27PM

conorhal wrote: »

No more so then the suggestion that asylum seekers should get to cherry pick wherever the choose to apply for asylum, tell me how that's supposed to work please?

Behind every decent act there's some sarky moaner.

foggy_lad · 03-09-2015 04:28PM

StonyIron wrote: »

The whole thing is absolutely crazy and seems to be getting worse and not better.

I'm getting a bit fed up with the way the media is really only looking at the symptoms - a wave of refugees, rather than the causes and how they might be fixed.

The wars and ISIS have rendered the whole region unlivable in, that has to be fixed or this will just keep happening.

Prime Minister Viktor Orban, in Brussels for talks with European leaders, said Hungarians and Europeans were “full of fear because they see that the European leaders ... are not able to control the situation.”

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/migrants-throw-themselves-on-tracks-in-protest-as-budapest-train-stops-at-refugee-camp-in-bicske-1.2338724

As for the media, they used to hang around Buckingham palace trying to get pictures of some royal baby but the paparazzi are not camped out along the beaches of Greece.

Neyite · 03-09-2015 04:36PM

Turkish police have arrested 4 suspects.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/turkish-police-detain-four-suspects-in-wake-of-drowning-1.2338712

Also this part explains a bit more about the family and their fated journey to Kos.

Turkish media said the family had fled the besieged town of Kobani last year to escape the advance of Islamic State militants.

Aylan’s aunt, Teema Kurdi, told Canadian newspaper the Ottawa Citizen that the family were the subject of a privately sponsored refugee application that was rejected because of problems with their file in Turkey. Ms Kurdi, a hairdresser in Vancouver, who emigrated to Canada more than 20 years ago, said: “I was trying to sponsor them, and I have my friends and my neighbours who helped me with the bank deposits, but we couldn’t get them out, and that is why they went in the boat.

“I was even paying rent for them in Turkey, but it is horrible the way they treat Syrians there.” Ms Kurdi said she was told of the deaths by her sister-in-law, adding: “She had got a call from Abdullah, and all he said was, ‘my wife and two boys are dead’.”

Canadian MP Fin Donnelly said he hand-delivered the Kurdis’ file to Canada’s citizenship and immigration authorities but the application was rejected in June. He told the Ottawa Citizen: “This is horrific and heartbreaking news. The frustration of waiting and the inaction has been terrible.”

The newspaper reported the UN would not register the family as refugees, and the Turkish government would not grant them exit visas. Canada and Turkey have reportedly been at loggerheads over the bottleneck blocking Syrian refugees in Turkey from finding their way to Canada. The Turkish government refuses to issue exit visas to unregistered refugees not holding valid passports.

03-09-2015 04:50PM

conorhal wrote: »

Firstly it's not 600 migrants, that many arrived here and claimed asylum in the past two months alone. It's 600 on top of the 400 which you can add to the expected three thousand which will come anyway, then you can triple that number when family reunification rights are taken into account, and that's this year. how about next year, or are you expecting peace to break out in the Middle East by then?

Good. Glad to hear we are expanding to 10,000.

Because 600 just seems so shamefully miserable.

conorhal wrote: »

I suggest you present your proposals to government, I'd be delighted if you did because the suggestion of a tax hike and public sector pay freeze might just turn the tide againt this nonsense from our civil servants.

I thought you had the proposal that every spend on our own is better than any spend on foreigners?

gandalf · 03-09-2015 04:52PM

Neyite wrote: »

Turkish police have arrested 4 suspects.

http://www.irishtimes.com/news/world/europe/turkish-police-detain-four-suspects-in-wake-of-drowning-1.2338712

Also this part explains a bit more about the family and their fated journey to Kos.

People are being killed by bureaucracy! Madness!

efb · 03-09-2015 05:03PM

Ian O'Doherty doing his usual trolling in the indo. Oz system is great- great for whom? Not those seeking refuge, and puts the burden on other poorer countries in the region

Yeah_Right · 03-09-2015 05:07PM

Have to say, that picture didn't bother me at all. Fact is people (including children) die every day in war and illegal migration. Yes I know that a lot of you will think that makes me cold, callous, uncaring. You may be right but I am who I am.

I don't see why Europe has to take them in. Stop them at the border or at sea. Set up a camp outside of Europe and settle them all there. Then process them. Yes that will take years but they don't get to leave the camp until processed. If they are genuine refugees, then they get let in. If not they get deported. Spread the word through the countries they are from that they will not set foot in the EU until they are processed. It's working for Australia.

efb · 03-09-2015 05:11PM

http://www.irishtimes.com/opinion/migrant-crisis-it-s-a-question-of-human-rights-not-charity-1.2339237

Excellent piece in today's Irish Times

efb · 03-09-2015 05:13PM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Have to say, that picture didn't bother me at all. Fact is people (including children) die every day in war and illegal migration. Yes I know that a lot of you will think that makes me cold, callous, uncaring. You may be right but I am who I am.

I don't see why Europe has to take them in. Stop them at the border or at sea. Set up a camp outside of Europe and settle them all there. Then process them. Yes that will take years but they don't get to leave the camp until processed. If they are genuine refugees, then they get let in. If not they get deported. Spread the word through the countries they are from that they will not set foot in the EU until they are processed. It's working for Australia.

Refugees don't get to enter Australia they are settled elsewhere.

It works for Australia, rather like Arabic states that bolt its doors firmly shut.

But how does it help refugees???

handlemaster · 03-09-2015 05:18PM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Have to say, that picture didn't bother me at all. Fact is people (including children) die every day in war and illegal migration. Yes I know that a lot of you will think that makes me cold, callous, uncaring. You may be right but I am who I am.

I don't see why Europe has to take them in. Stop them at the border or at sea. Set up a camp outside of Europe and settle them all there. Then process them. Yes that will take years but they don't get to leave the camp until processed. If they are genuine refugees, then they get let in. If not they get deported. Spread the word through the countries they are from that they will not set foot in the EU until they are processed. It's working for Australia.

Im guessing you dont have any kids

Nermal · 03-09-2015 05:21PM

efb wrote: »

Ian O'Doherty doing his usual trolling in the indo. Oz system is great- great for whom? Not those seeking refuge, and puts the burden on other poorer countries in the region

It's great for the citizens of Australia, who the Australian government are are accountable to.

efb · 03-09-2015 05:22PM

Nermal wrote: »

It's great for the citizens of Australia, who the Australian government are are accountable to.

The selfish ones anyway

The_Kew_Tour · 03-09-2015 05:23PM

Yeah_Right wrote: »

Have to say, that picture didn't bother me at all. Fact is people (including children) die every day in war and illegal migration. Yes I know that a lot of you will think that makes me cold, callous, uncaring. You may be right but I am who I am.

.

No, you're spot on.

What's making me snigger is people on Facebook etc are coming out saying how its a disgrace and how this photo will have to be explained to our Grandchildren.

Well here the big bit. About 11million children per year die of preventable causes.

But hey, people only woke up yesterday and once that problem is fixed we can all sleep in the knowledge that we reduced this toooooo about hmmm 10.7million..

Great Stuff.

Jinonatron · 03-09-2015 05:24PM

I feel sorry for the Syrians. They should be given free houses by Britain and the US for their persistent destruction in the region.

"Haunting Image Of Drowned Boy Sums Up Consequences Of 'The Syrian War'"

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